Welcome Guest!
Create an Account
login email:
password:
site searchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp
Message Board
BobcatAttack.com Message Board
Ohio Football
Topic:  Great job, University Lawyers

Topic:  Great job, University Lawyers
Author
Message
SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,397

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 9:26:19 AM 
Per Columbus Dispatch, Brian Smith is still working without a contract.
Back to Top
  
BillyTheCat
General User

Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 10,490

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 10:15:17 AM 
SBH wrote:
Per Columbus Dispatch, Brian Smith is still working without a contract.


How is this possible when we are led to believe everything is so rosy around the Administration of the University?
Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,150

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 12:15:57 PM 
Quote:
But the letter of agreement states it is “a fully binding contract, and shall remain valid, enforceable, and fully binding until the Long Form Agreement is fully executed by both parties.”


Doesn't feel like all that big a deal to me.

Back to Top
  
Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,423

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 2:13:30 PM 
Here's the story from USAT's website (both the Dispatch and USAT are owned by Gannett): https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/09/oh...

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.
Back to Top
  
OhioCatFan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,952

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 2:41:37 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Here's the story from USAT's website (both the Dispatch and USAT are owned by Gannett): https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/09/oh...


It seems that they are pointing us out as one of three schools in FBS football that doesn't exactly have its act together. But, as BTC pointed out, there is nothing to see here. We have the best administration in place since William Holmes McGuffy was run out of town on a rail for suggesting that the rent on the then very extensive "university lands" be raised. [Perhaps, the start of our town-gown conflicts.]

The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA

"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

Back to Top
  
Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,423

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 3:33:06 PM 
I'm sure it's a distraction of some sort but probably not a huge one. The agreement they signed last year says he gets an average of $625,000 per year so if there's ever a dispute it seems equitable that he would get that amount. If he gets canned or leaves it seems there's no buyout clause for either party, so that might be an issue. I wonder how much Cromer's leaving had to do with the lack of a contract. This bye week would be a good time to take care of this.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.
Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,150

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 3:47:52 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
I wonder how much Cromer's leaving had to do with the lack of a contract.


0%.

This story means literally nothing. This happens very regularly when jobs are 1) filled internally and 2) have incentives built in.

It's really not a big deal, though folks here who believe in witches will explain why this is proof of witchcraft.

Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,150

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/9/2025 3:53:24 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Here's the story from USAT's website (both the Dispatch and USAT are owned by Gannett): https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/09/oh...


It seems that they are pointing us out as one of three schools in FBS football that doesn't exactly have its act together. But, as BTC pointed out, there is nothing to see here. We have the best administration in place since William Holmes McGuffy was run out of town on a rail for suggesting that the rent on the then very extensive "university lands" be raised. [Perhaps, the start of our town-gown conflicts.]


Last week the sign that there was something wrong with the administration's leadership was that you don't know how to read. This week, it's based on your expertise in incentive comp negotiation timelines.

Don't you ever get embarrassed forming your opinions first and then tripping over yourself to explain how everything you see supports them?

Thought you were supposed to be some sort of journalist, no?

Last Edited: 10/9/2025 5:36:13 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
Back to Top
  
Tymaster
General User

Member Since: 3/24/2017
Location: Chillicothe, OH
Post Count: 319

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/10/2025 11:01:22 AM 
SBH wrote:
Per Columbus Dispatch, Brian Smith is still working without a contract.

I can tell you that in the modern US of A w/ the "leadership" we're seeing at the top and in the state of Ohiya, again w/ the "leadership" we see in Columbus, the final contract of the head ball coach isn't exactly high on the ol' priority scale. If you read anything other than the sports sections of the papers, you'd know that public universities are fighting for their very existence.
Back to Top
  
L.C.
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2005
Location: United States
Post Count: 10,504

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/10/2025 2:05:10 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Here's the story from USAT's website (both the Dispatch and USAT are owned by Gannett): https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/09/oh...


It seems that they are pointing us out as one of three schools in FBS football that doesn't exactly have its act together. But, as BTC pointed out, there is nothing to see here. We have the best administration in place since William Holmes McGuffy was run out of town on a rail for suggesting that the rent on the then very extensive "university lands" be raised. [Perhaps, the start of our town-gown conflicts.]


Last week the sign that there was something wrong with the administration's leadership was that you don't know how to read. This week, it's based on your expertise in incentive comp negotiation timelines.

Don't you ever get embarrassed forming your opinions first and then tripping over yourself to explain how everything you see supports them?

Thought you were supposed to be some sort of journalist, no?

Speaking of the importance of care in reading prior to responding, if you check this thread, you'll find that he made no mention of incentive compensation. You were the one who bought up incentives. He, and BTC, just used sarcasm, which leaves it open for you to interpret the point of the sarcasm.

Myself, I'll only add that, if there is no contract in force, I would presume that Brian will be making sure that his resume ready. My guess as to the point of the sarcasm is that, in a situation where there is no contract in force, there is no reason to presume the situation will remain stable. I absolutely do not presume that he has no incentive to win. The more he wins, the higher his contract will be, if and when he gets one, or the more marketable he will be if he ends up getting a contract elsewhere.

Last Edited: 10/10/2025 2:14:27 PM by L.C.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

Back to Top
  
rpbobcat
General User

Member Since: 4/28/2006
Location: Rochelle Park, NJ
Post Count: 3,623

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/10/2025 3:44:18 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Here's the story from USAT's website (both the Dispatch and USAT are owned by Gannett): https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/09/oh...


It seems that they are pointing us out as one of three schools in FBS football that doesn't exactly have its act together. But, as BTC pointed out, there is nothing to see here. We have the best administration in place since William Holmes McGuffy was run out of town on a rail for suggesting that the rent on the then very extensive "university lands" be raised. [Perhaps, the start of our town-gown conflicts.]


Last week the sign that there was something wrong with the administration's leadership was that you don't know how to read. This week, it's based on your expertise in incentive comp negotiation timelines.

Don't you ever get embarrassed forming your opinions first and then tripping over yourself to explain how everything you see supports them?

Thought you were supposed to be some sort of journalist, no?

Speaking of the importance of care in reading prior to responding, if you check this thread, you'll find that he made no mention of incentive compensation. You were the one who bought up incentives. He, and BTC, just used sarcasm, which leaves it open for you to interpret the point of the sarcasm.

Myself, I'll only add that, if there is no contract in force, I would presume that Brian will be making sure that his resume ready. My guess as to the point of the sarcasm is that, in a situation where there is no contract in force, there is no reason to presume the situation will remain stable. I absolutely do not presume that he has no incentive to win. The more he wins, the higher his contract will be, if and when he gets one, or the more marketable he will be if he ends up getting a contract elsewhere.


I don't know about Ohio.
I write a number of contracts for my projects in New Jersey

In a lot of cases the attorneys use an executed "Letter of Agreement" as
the contract.
Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,150

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/10/2025 6:01:49 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Here's the story from USAT's website (both the Dispatch and USAT are owned by Gannett): https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/09/oh...


It seems that they are pointing us out as one of three schools in FBS football that doesn't exactly have its act together. But, as BTC pointed out, there is nothing to see here. We have the best administration in place since William Holmes McGuffy was run out of town on a rail for suggesting that the rent on the then very extensive "university lands" be raised. [Perhaps, the start of our town-gown conflicts.]


Last week the sign that there was something wrong with the administration's leadership was that you don't know how to read. This week, it's based on your expertise in incentive comp negotiation timelines.

Don't you ever get embarrassed forming your opinions first and then tripping over yourself to explain how everything you see supports them?

Thought you were supposed to be some sort of journalist, no?

Speaking of the importance of care in reading prior to responding, if you check this thread, you'll find that he made no mention of incentive compensation. You were the one who bought up incentives. He, and BTC, just used sarcasm, which leaves it open for you to interpret the point of the sarcasm.

Myself, I'll only add that, if there is no contract in force, I would presume that Brian will be making sure that his resume ready. My guess as to the point of the sarcasm is that, in a situation where there is no contract in force, there is no reason to presume the situation will remain stable. I absolutely do not presume that he has no incentive to win. The more he wins, the higher his contract will be, if and when he gets one, or the more marketable he will be if he ends up getting a contract elsewhere.


I didn't mention incentives because OCF did. And I didn't mention incentive comp because I dont think he's incentivized to win.

I mentioned incentive comp because the contract that's in place -- and article makes clear it is, indeed, a binding contract -- includes the base salary. So there is only so much left to negotiate, and incentives are almost certainly a big part of what's outstanding.

In other words, the reason neither the administration nor Brian Smith are not showing much urgency here, is that what's in place covers the key components, and there is, of course, also an employment agreement in place. What's left to be negotiated is around the margins.

Again, this just doesn't strike me as big deal at all. There's an effective contract in place that outlines comp through 2029. Even the article qualifies their own headline in the body by saying he's ESSENTIALLY working without a contract. The article acknowledges that the Letter of Agreement is acting as a contract, and points out that there's not much detail in the agreement.

We're not even the only school in our conference where this is the case. 3 schools of the ~20 who hired new coaches this season are in the same spot. That's not some massively infrequent thing, and it's certainly not like it was an oversight.

Just a non-story.

And this is only an indictment of the ADs office to people who go looking for reasons to indict the ADs office. Like OCF.

Last Edited: 10/10/2025 6:19:10 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
Back to Top
  
M.D.W.S.T
General User



Member Since: 12/23/2021
Post Count: 3,050

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/13/2025 10:42:09 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I wonder how much Cromer's leaving had to do with the lack of a contract.


0%.

This story means literally nothing. This happens very regularly when jobs are 1) filled internally and 2) have incentives built in.

It's really not a big deal, though folks here who believe in witches will explain why this is proof of witchcraft.





Exactly.

He was working off a letter of agreement, which is still binding, until the long form agreement could be signed by both parties, through Dec 31, 2029.

According to OU's salary database he is making $615K. According to OU, he is also receiving $135K in "supplemental compensation", I'm sure there is a lot of language around that. Bumping him to $750K. The remaining $100K was being structured around bonuses and incentives that some keep insisting aren't there - ie P4 wins, bowls, conference championships, etc


It's quite literally still happening with Drinkall at CMU.

I'm sure this happens far more often than we hear about, especially at the top where so much money is being exchanged and incentivized. Loans, cars, country clubs, paying for private schools, etc. Parties agree to "5 years, $850K per year" and then work on the details. I'm sure it didn't help that Julie and Brian were probably working on it, then Gonzalez had to drop what she was doing to go find a new AD, and then get the new AD up to speed, and then have him give it a once over.

Non-story.

Last Edited: 10/13/2025 10:43:06 AM by M.D.W.S.T
Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,150

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Great job, University Lawyers
   Posted: 10/13/2025 3:05:05 PM 
Yep, and despite BillyTheCat's access to all manner of super reliable, insider info he seems to be in the dark about the fact that the official contract was signed 3 days ago.

For those scoring at home, this was either:

1) A massive, embarrassing mistake on the part of the AD's office that shows we're a school that "doesn't have its act together" and an indictment of the University's administration as a whole.

or

2) Both parties were agreed in principle on all components of the agreement, and the university lawyers understand Ohio contract law, and there was little urgency because there was no reason for their to be any urgency.
Back to Top
  
Showing Replies:  1 - 14  of 14 Posts
Jump to Page:  1
View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             



WHO'S ONLINE
There are 258 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com
257 Guests
1 Registered User:
 RufusCat09
There are no other users looking at this page.




Copyright ©2025 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties