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Jeff Johnson '67, Albuquerque, New Mexico Back in the Land of Enchantment Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 3,312 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 10:00:30 AM  "Should the Group of 5 do a separate College Football Playoff? As a graduate of Ohio University in the Mid-American Conference, I get this question all the time. Would you rather watch the Bobcats as a No. 12 seed in the CFP or have the chance to win a separate national championship in what would amount to a second division within the FBS? Both sides have merit, but the illusion of an upset against a Big Ten or SEC powerhouse is too much to pass up, and I’ve watched the Bobcats win three first-round games in the NCAA basketball tournament since 2010 – once as a No. 14 seed and twice as a No. 13." The dangling carrot is what feeds the fuel to the fire, but I think a G5 playoff format - campus sites only - could have a lot of merit, still hold a lot of value and be a lot of fun. Unless they were to grant ALL conference champions a spot in the CFP - (can you imagine a freezing Tuesday night in Athens with the CFP on the line? ABSOLUTE CINEMA) - the best of the rest would still put together a hell of a playoff. Look - nobody in the G5 universe wants to throw their hands up and say we're 'less than', but there are a lot of realities that we need to come to terms with and the CFP is one of those. It wasn't built for us. Having our own playoff isn't admitting we're less than, it's forging our own path in the current landscape. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,286 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 10:54:57 AM  With NIL and revenue sharing, the gap will just keep getting bigger and bigger. Time to have a separate division and a national championship shot in football. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,853 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 11:11:24 AM  Alan Swank wrote: With NIL and revenue sharing, the gap will just keep getting bigger and bigger. Time to have a separate division and a national championship shot in football. Can't blame ya for the logic. Personally would rather go to the FCS playoffs (makes a ton more financial sense and I believe would be more lucrative) if we decide to drop down. Otherwise, much like March Madness, I want a shot at knocking off Goliath one day. I believe there is going to be a lane for a lesser school (yes, I am going to use this phrase, and this includes power schools) to rise up and win. If Indiana can go undefeated in my lifetime and go back to Pasadena, which my grandpa swore to me would never happen (and wish he could see that), then why not us? Why can't we make the stars align for one fateful season? If I can see with my own eyes IU do that, and Vanderbilt win 10 games in the season, then why not us? Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,626 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 11:20:42 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: With NIL and revenue sharing, the gap will just keep getting bigger and bigger. Time to have a separate division and a national championship shot in football. Can't blame ya for the logic. Personally would rather go to the FCS playoffs (makes a ton more financial sense and I believe would be more lucrative) if we decide to drop down. Be careful, you can't say the phrase "drop down" around here without the pitchforks and torches coming out. It may not end up being a drop so much as it is a blending of somewhat equals. Whether we like to think it or not, we have a hell of a lot more in common with what happened in Bozeman, MT this weekend than what happened in Norman, OK. Back to Top STVCastle General User Member Since: 5/22/2025 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 12:27:03 PM  This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,658 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 3:49:13 PM  STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. Back to Top STVCastle General User Member Since: 5/22/2025 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 4:00:31 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,658 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 4:03:18 PM  STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Again, you want respect you’ve got to go take it, earn it, prove you belong. G6 football hasn’t done that. Some basketball programs have. But personally, I’m not saying a word about lack of respect until we go earn it. Back to Top STVCastle General User Member Since: 5/22/2025 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 4:09:51 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Again, you want respect you’ve got to go take it, earn it, prove you belong. G6 football hasn’t done that. Some basketball programs have. But personally, I’m not saying a word about lack of respect until we go earn it. I don't think you quite understand how rigged the CFP system has been since Day 1. Look, I hear you when you say "You gotta earn respect and prove you belong," but do you really think ESPN/FOX and the Powers-That-Be that rule college sports care about anything the G6 does? To them, it's all about brand power, money, and politics. Knowing them, they'll come up with an excuse as to how a Power Conference team didn't show up and not give credit to the G6 team. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,658 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 8:34:29 PM  STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Again, you want respect you’ve got to go take it, earn it, prove you belong. G6 football hasn’t done that. Some basketball programs have. But personally, I’m not saying a word about lack of respect until we go earn it. I don't think you quite understand how rigged the CFP system has been since Day 1. Look, I hear you when you say "You gotta earn respect and prove you belong," but do you really think ESPN/FOX and the Powers-That-Be that rule college sports care about anything the G6 does? To them, it's all about brand power, money, and politics. Knowing them, they'll come up with an excuse as to how a Power Conference team didn't show up and not give credit to the G6 team. JMU and Tulane made it over ND and SeC teams. Them not getting in would be disrespect. What do you want the media to say? Tulane is the team to beat? How awesome they are? They got a seat at the table and dropped their plate of food. Last Edited: 12/22/2025 8:35:17 PM by BillyTheCat Back to Top STVCastle General User Member Since: 5/22/2025 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/22/2025 9:29:21 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Again, you want respect you’ve got to go take it, earn it, prove you belong. G6 football hasn’t done that. Some basketball programs have. But personally, I’m not saying a word about lack of respect until we go earn it. I don't think you quite understand how rigged the CFP system has been since Day 1. Look, I hear you when you say "You gotta earn respect and prove you belong," but do you really think ESPN/FOX and the Powers-That-Be that rule college sports care about anything the G6 does? To them, it's all about brand power, money, and politics. Knowing them, they'll come up with an excuse as to how a Power Conference team didn't show up and not give credit to the G6 team. JMU and Tulane made it over ND and SeC teams. Them not getting in would be disrespect. What do you want the media to say? Tulane is the team to beat? How awesome they are? They got a seat at the table and dropped their plate of food. You're missing my point completely. Pay attention. I'm talking about ESPN/FOX and mainstream media. How they spin narratives. To them, it hasn't mattered and probably never will matter whatever G6 schools do. Nothing stopped ESPN (who runs the CFP) from excluding UCF in 2017 from the 4-team CFP despite the Knights going 13-0. At that time UCF was still G6. UCF having success never fit ESPN's narrative. Who did ESPN put in instead via their Stupid Selection Committee? Alabama. Big brand name. "Prove it on the field that you belong!" ^ You can pull a 2017 UCF for 4 years straight in the G6, but if ESPN doesn't like you and you don't fit their narrative, it won't matter. They'll find a way to bash you just like they did to Tulane and JMU this year, and Boise State last year. And going back to the heart of this topic... The economic gap is growing in every aspect. Don't be surprised if we get into the 2030s and the SEC and B1G basically tell everyone else "Screw you! We have all the money and power and we'll break away! Mwahahaha!!!" They'll form their own Invitational Tournament, forcing the G6 (and even the Big XII and ACC) to scramble and come up with their own tournaments. Whether we really want that or not, guys... And if you disagree with everything I'm saying still, Billy, then I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. Last Edited: 12/22/2025 9:56:33 PM by STVCastle Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,658 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/23/2025 12:29:32 PM  STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Again, you want respect you’ve got to go take it, earn it, prove you belong. G6 football hasn’t done that. Some basketball programs have. But personally, I’m not saying a word about lack of respect until we go earn it. I don't think you quite understand how rigged the CFP system has been since Day 1. Look, I hear you when you say "You gotta earn respect and prove you belong," but do you really think ESPN/FOX and the Powers-That-Be that rule college sports care about anything the G6 does? To them, it's all about brand power, money, and politics. Knowing them, they'll come up with an excuse as to how a Power Conference team didn't show up and not give credit to the G6 team. JMU and Tulane made it over ND and SeC teams. Them not getting in would be disrespect. What do you want the media to say? Tulane is the team to beat? How awesome they are? They got a seat at the table and dropped their plate of food. You're missing my point completely. Pay attention. I'm talking about ESPN/FOX and mainstream media. How they spin narratives. To them, it hasn't mattered and probably never will matter whatever G6 schools do. Nothing stopped ESPN (who runs the CFP) from excluding UCF in 2017 from the 4-team CFP despite the Knights going 13-0. At that time UCF was still G6. UCF having success never fit ESPN's narrative. Who did ESPN put in instead via their Stupid Selection Committee? Alabama. Big brand name. "Prove it on the field that you belong!" ^ You can pull a 2017 UCF for 4 years straight in the G6, but if ESPN doesn't like you and you don't fit their narrative, it won't matter. They'll find a way to bash you just like they did to Tulane and JMU this year, and Boise State last year. And going back to the heart of this topic... The economic gap is growing in every aspect. Don't be surprised if we get into the 2030s and the SEC and B1G basically tell everyone else "Screw you! We have all the money and power and we'll break away! Mwahahaha!!!" They'll form their own Invitational Tournament, forcing the G6 (and even the Big XII and ACC) to scramble and come up with their own tournaments. Whether we really want that or not, guys... And if you disagree with everything I'm saying still, Billy, then I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. Why in the world are you worried about talking heads? You can never change their narrative. Again, want respect, earn it! And JMU and Tulane laid eggs, they proved those people right. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t not make it less factual. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,447 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/23/2025 1:00:10 PM  It is just a matter of time before the CFB removes our 1 reserved spot. The outrage was thick this year and will only grow. Once the spot is removed, they simply need to create a new championship from a conceptual standpoint. You can't proclaim teams in the same division if they have no path to the championship. I am definitely for a separate playoff at this point, think it would be fun and would get decent interest comparable to the random December bowl games. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,394 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting read from an Ohio alum re CFP    Posted: 12/23/2025 8:00:49 PM  STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: STVCastle wrote: This has been a great talking point with me. I don't 1000% want it, but ultimately, I'd be okay with the G6 having their own postseason tournament. If we're being honest with ourselves, the Power Conferences (and by extension the cold-hearted TV networks like ESPN and FOX) will never respect the G6 Conferences. It was like pulling teeth just to get one G6 representative in the 12-team CFP format. The goal post is always moving away from us and in favor of the SEC and B1G especially. Backstage politics, money, TV networks, etc. The core of the CFP system sucks. It feels more and more like a contrived event anyway. If we're forced to do it, having at least an 8-team G6 tournament would be enough to satisfy the rest of us. We don't need the approval of the Ohio States, Alabamas and Georgias to exist in their corporate bubble. If the G6 wants respect they have to capitalize on their opportunities and not get dog walked twice in the CFP. I don't think the G6 will ever get respect from mainstream media even if they do win CFP 1st Round games. Again, you want respect you’ve got to go take it, earn it, prove you belong. G6 football hasn’t done that. Some basketball programs have. But personally, I’m not saying a word about lack of respect until we go earn it. I don't think you quite understand how rigged the CFP system has been since Day 1. Look, I hear you when you say "You gotta earn respect and prove you belong," but do you really think ESPN/FOX and the Powers-That-Be that rule college sports care about anything the G6 does? To them, it's all about brand power, money, and politics. Knowing them, they'll come up with an excuse as to how a Power Conference team didn't show up and not give credit to the G6 team. JMU and Tulane made it over ND and SeC teams. Them not getting in would be disrespect. What do you want the media to say? Tulane is the team to beat? How awesome they are? They got a seat at the table and dropped their plate of food. You're missing my point completely. Pay attention. I'm talking about ESPN/FOX and mainstream media. How they spin narratives. To them, it hasn't mattered and probably never will matter whatever G6 schools do. Nothing stopped ESPN (who runs the CFP) from excluding UCF in 2017 from the 4-team CFP despite the Knights going 13-0. At that time UCF was still G6. UCF having success never fit ESPN's narrative. Who did ESPN put in instead via their Stupid Selection Committee? Alabama. Big brand name. "Prove it on the field that you belong!" ^ You can pull a 2017 UCF for 4 years straight in the G6, but if ESPN doesn't like you and you don't fit their narrative, it won't matter. They'll find a way to bash you just like they did to Tulane and JMU this year, and Boise State last year. And going back to the heart of this topic... The economic gap is growing in every aspect. Don't be surprised if we get into the 2030s and the SEC and B1G basically tell everyone else "Screw you! We have all the money and power and we'll break away! Mwahahaha!!!" They'll form their own Invitational Tournament, forcing the G6 (and even the Big XII and ACC) to scramble and come up with their own tournaments. Whether we really want that or not, guys... And if you disagree with everything I'm saying still, Billy, then I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. The CFP is definitely not the NCAA tournament where a small school can have a good shooting night and win a token tournament game but not be built for the second weekend. In the CFP if you have the Oline/Dline to get it done and win at an SEC stadium then you are a live dog to win the entire thing. Miami is a case in point. They were strong enough up front to stay in the game against Texas A&M then hit a few big plays and won the game. Tulane obviously didn't have it losing to the same Ole Miss team by 30+ twice in one season. James Madision was closer and they didn't play Ole Miss they played Oregon. In past years Boise State was strong enough to beat a top ranked Oregon team and could have won a playoff game if it was around back then. Nobody knows what college football will look like in 2031 or 20 or 30 years from now. Its a continual evolution more than a train with a few spots left on the caboose. My bet is the university will try to follow the money rather than drop down since over time the greater revenues lead to higher profile athletics across the department. Its why Charlotte started a football team, left the Atlantic 10 and now plays in the American. 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