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Mike Johnson
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  Message Not Read  november-december
   Posted: 11/25/2017 2:05:02 PM 
Thinking about Ohio's late-season difficulties under Coach Solich, I looked up Ohio's W-L record under Frank during November-December.

2005: 0-3
2006: 3-2
2007: 2-1
2008: 2-1
2009: 3-2
2010: 2-2
2011: 4-1
2012: 2-3
2013: 1-4
2014: 2-1
2015: 3-1
2016: 2-3
2017: 1-2 with bowl game to play

Total: 27-26

Draw your own conclusions.

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   Posted: 11/25/2017 2:35:58 PM 
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
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   Posted: 11/25/2017 7:29:03 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.

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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/25/2017 10:08:37 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Be careful using facts to be critical around here. Didn't you know that Ohio football was terrible 20-30 years ago? This staff has won almost 58% of their games playing a gauntlet MAC East schedule year in, year out.

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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/26/2017 12:21:23 AM 
bobcat695 wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Be careful using facts to be critical around here. Didn't you know that Ohio football was terrible 20-30 years ago? This staff has won almost 58% of their games playing a gauntlet MAC East schedule year in, year out.



Yes we were terrible way back .... even 35 years ago. So you have issues with winning close to 60% of our game since Solich took over? And what is your solution to use playing in the MAC East? It is what it is. Shall we join the ACC? PAC 12? Will we be admitted? And if you feel we're so bad then why follow Ohio football? I doubt the team needs fans/alums like you. It's a blanking game played by 18-22 year olds.
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 8:42:18 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Be careful using facts to be critical around here. Didn't you know that Ohio football was terrible 20-30 years ago? This staff has won almost 58% of their games playing a gauntlet MAC East schedule year in, year out.



Yes we were terrible way back .... even 35 years ago. So you have issues with winning close to 60% of our game since Solich took over? And what is your solution to use playing in the MAC East? It is what it is. Shall we join the ACC? PAC 12? Will we be admitted? And if you feel we're so bad then why follow Ohio football? I doubt the team needs fans/alums like you. It's a blanking game played by 18-22 year olds.


Yes ... so we should celebrate failure when we repeatedly lose to good competition AND lesser competition in meaningful games.

Here's an idea ... since we're stuck in the MAC East, how about win games against shitty teams in the MAC East ... not go 3-2 against them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/26/2017 8:58:34 AM 
Shitty teams... LOL. Love how you throw that around.
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 9:28:56 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Shitty teams... LOL. Love how you throw that around.


What would you label Kent & BG ... and pretty recently Miami? Akron & UB aren't exactly world beaters either.

MAC East is consistently one of the worst divisions in CFB every year ... AND that includes having Ohio's typical 8-ish wins.

No reason why Ohio should only be 4 out of 13 winning that division
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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/26/2017 9:35:34 AM 
You were talking about Akron and Buffalo, right? I wouldn't label them "shitty."
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 9:52:58 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Shitty teams... LOL. Love how you throw that around.


What would you label Kent & BG ... and pretty recently Miami? Akron & UB aren't exactly world beaters either.

MAC East is consistently one of the worst divisions in CFB every year ... AND that includes having Ohio's typical 8-ish wins.

No reason why Ohio should only be 4 out of 13 winning that division


I would say inferior. There are no shitty teams. Every D1 team is filled with talented elite athletes who go to battle each game. All the coaches have proved they can coach. That's why you see the upsets that happen each and every week. The difference between superior and inferior teams is relatively small and is why it is said to be "a game of inches". We know you are dissatisfied with the program, but using the terms "dumpster fire" and "shitty" is inaccurate at best.
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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/26/2017 10:51:24 AM 
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?

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   Posted: 11/26/2017 11:25:12 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



Perhaps because of it being the last decade and with his players if any reason. Not sure of numbers....I need a stat guy on this one.....
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 11:31:59 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



2005: 0-3 in November
2006: 3-0 in November (regular season with wins vs EMU (1-11), Akron (5-7) and Miami 2-10). 0-2 in post season (Detroit & Mobile)

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   Posted: 11/26/2017 11:35:47 AM 
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



2005: 0-3 in November
2006: 3-0 in November (regular season with wins vs EMU (1-11), Akron (5-7) and Miami 2-10). 0-2 in post season (Detroit & Mobile)



Thanks Stat-Boy! Definitely not good when those are factored in.....and all three of those teams in 2005 had winning records.....
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 1:16:50 PM 
Fans like piss me off. Beating crap teams and and going to a crap. bowl makes you happy. I want more! I want a MACC and a bowl game against a power 5 school. Other MAC schools have done it , Why not Ohio?
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 1:44:37 PM 
Bobcat-7.0 wrote:
Fans like piss me off. Beating crap teams and and going to a crap. bowl makes you happy. I want more! I want a MACC and a bowl game against a power 5 school. Other MAC schools have done it , Why not Ohio?


OK, so what are you saying? Do you want the administration to fire Solich? The status quo isn’t sufficient, so what’s the alternative?
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 4:12:57 PM 
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



2005: 0-3 in November
2006: 3-0 in November (regular season with wins vs EMU (1-11), Akron (5-7) and Miami 2-10). 0-2 in post season (Detroit & Mobile)



So if I interpret your post correctly, the 0-3 in 2005 and the 3-0 in November/December 2006 is actually 3-2 including Detroit and Mobile. Right?

If right, that would make the 8-24 against 6-6 or better teams 11-29.

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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/26/2017 4:24:58 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



2005: 0-3 in November
2006: 3-0 in November (regular season with wins vs EMU (1-11), Akron (5-7) and Miami 2-10). 0-2 in post season (Detroit & Mobile)



So if I interpret your post correctly, the 0-3 in 2005 and the 3-0 in November/December 2006 is actually 3-2 including Detroit and Mobile. Right?

If right, that would make the 8-24 against 6-6 or better teams 11-29.


2005 finished with three losses in November to Toledo (9-3), Akron (7-6) and Miami (7-4).

2006 finished with three regular season wins vs. teams with losing records and two losses to teams with winning records.

So, the record vs. winning teams in November/December is actually 8-29.

How many of us would receive huge pay raises and guaranteed contract extensions by performing at a 22% efficiency vs our peers. Remember, this record is against our conference opponents and similarly matched programs in bowl games. We haven't had any week 12 SEC games where we're the sacrificial lamb that late in the season.

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   Posted: 11/26/2017 5:08:37 PM 
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



2005: 0-3 in November
2006: 3-0 in November (regular season with wins vs EMU (1-11), Akron (5-7) and Miami 2-10). 0-2 in post season (Detroit & Mobile)



So if I interpret your post correctly, the 0-3 in 2005 and the 3-0 in November/December 2006 is actually 3-2 including Detroit and Mobile. Right?

If right, that would make the 8-24 against 6-6 or better teams 11-29.


2005 finished with three losses in November to Toledo (9-3), Akron (7-6) and Miami (7-4).

2006 finished with three regular season wins vs. teams with losing records and two losses to teams with winning records.

So, the record vs. winning teams in November/December is actually 8-29.

How many of us would receive huge pay raises and guaranteed contract extensions by performing at a 22% efficiency vs our peers. Remember, this record is against our conference opponents and similarly matched programs in bowl games. We haven't had any week 12 SEC games where we're the sacrificial lamb that late in the season.


Sumlin got fired for delivering similar results in the SEC against the West Division in November....just saying.
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  Message Not Read  RE: november-december
   Posted: 11/26/2017 5:41:34 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


Curious. Why "since 2007?" What would the 8-24 record be if you included Frank's first two seasons - 2005 and 2006? Better or worse?



2005: 0-3 in November
2006: 3-0 in November (regular season with wins vs EMU (1-11), Akron (5-7) and Miami 2-10). 0-2 in post season (Detroit & Mobile)



So if I interpret your post correctly, the 0-3 in 2005 and the 3-0 in November/December 2006 is actually 3-2 including Detroit and Mobile. Right?

If right, that would make the 8-24 against 6-6 or better teams 11-29.


2005 finished with three losses in November to Toledo (9-3), Akron (7-6) and Miami (7-4).

2006 finished with three regular season wins vs. teams with losing records and two losses to teams with winning records.

So, the record vs. winning teams in November/December is actually 8-29.

How many of us would receive huge pay raises and guaranteed contract extensions by performing at a 22% efficiency vs our peers. Remember, this record is against our conference opponents and similarly matched programs in bowl games. We haven't had any week 12 SEC games where we're the sacrificial lamb that late in the season.


Sumlin got fired for delivering similar results in the SEC against the West Division in November....just saying.


Awesome! Ohio has now made the football Bigtime!!! Just like our colleagues whom we “say” we despise roughly 70 miles to the northwest, a 7-5, 8-4 record is no longer good enough!!! Thanks for resurrecting the program Coach Solich but get out-you’re not good enough for us anymore, we’re OHIO heaven’s sake! Like all of the football whores known as the P5’s, it’s championship or else! We don’t care too much about grades, conduct outside the classroom or any of that stuff! We’re a football school, dang it! Ah, Ohio is now big time....





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   Posted: 11/26/2017 5:51:01 PM 
Obviously you can tell by my post I’m not for canning Solich. Now, some of his assistants on the other hand……
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 6:21:57 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Obviously you can tell by my post I’m not for canning Solich. Now, some of his assistants on the other hand……


That I can rally behind. That's where my issue lies is his loyalty to the assistants. I admire it, but even then either they need to adjust or get some new blood in.
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 6:28:49 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Obviously you can tell by my post I’m not for canning Solich. Now, some of his assistants on the other hand……


That I can rally behind. That's where my issue lies is his loyalty to the assistants. I admire it, but even then either they need to adjust or get some new blood in.


This is exactly where I’m at too. Coach Solich has earned the right to keep coaching until retirement. Yet even he has to realize (and I’m quite sure he does), the goal is the MACC and he needs to adapt his system to get there. He just does. Now, will he do that? And I’m looking at you, defensive team.....
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   Posted: 11/26/2017 10:30:46 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I was thinking about that, too. In postseason we play teams with winning records who are generally among the best in their conference. And since midweek MACtion came to be our November opponents are usually those who are expected to be in the hunt for division titles. So we feed off generally lesser competition in Sept and Oct then get the tougher teams in Nov and Dec.


That is just not true. They don’t back load all the “good” teams on the schedule late in the year. I looked at our MAC record since 2007 winning teams 6-6 or better and we are 8-23. Believe what you want but we beat up crap teams all year every year and are lucky to beat a team with a winning record maybe once a year.
Oh actually we are now 8-24 after losing to 6-6 Buffalo.


I'd like to know how that record compares to other teams. Who in the MAC has a better record against teams with winning records? An average team is going to have a losing record to teams with winning records. Just based no how numbers work, a large number of good teams are going to have losing records against teams with winning records. I'd guess 8-24 is bad but not as bad as it sounds.
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   Posted: 11/27/2017 8:55:53 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:

I'd like to know how that record compares to other teams. Who in the MAC has a better record against teams with winning records? An average team is going to have a losing record to teams with winning records. Just based no how numbers work, a large number of good teams are going to have losing records against teams with winning records. I'd guess 8-24 is bad but not as bad as it sounds.


It's whatever fits the narrative...
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