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Same ish different year. 3. We need to recruit 2 or three great skill position players every year. No more fill-ins or projects. We got two wide receivers in our class that cannot help us. 4. The bowl eligible post should come with an automatic dismissal. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 1,039 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 12:15:26 PM  what does this post even mean? changes to what? recruiting? tight ends? dbs? and how do you fix these things? fire everybody? Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 4:57:24 PM  Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top BryanHall General User Member Since: 9/11/2010 Post Count: 546 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 5:21:56 PM  allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. This is rough. The current QB showed up in Athens and won the starting job over the incumbent (kinda) within 6 quarters and the current starting RB was a walk-on who won the starting job over like 3 or 4 returning guys in his fourth quarter of college football. Talent is a bit of an issue. However, I think this would be a little different if Jeff Christian/Mayne Williams/Langston Provitt had been available at DB. The same could be said if Elijah Ball/Kyle Belack had returned. Before I get the "don't make injuries an excuse" response... This team is not as good as what we believed post-Toledo. Toledo laid an egg against us and we laid an egg against Akron. It happens during the course of the season. Clemson lost to Pitt last year. I'm actually more upset about the CMU game which the Cats gave to them. Win that game and the Akron loss is irrelevant. Last year's team was much better with the exception of the QB. Put Rourke on that team and they likely win the MACC. I think thinks things look very good for the next 2 years. However, we do need playmakers on offense and better DBs. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 6:33:17 PM  A.J. won the position after 11 fumbles by our imcumbent backs. Maxwell won the the job because of start forever and Rourke ended up outshining him. Hagan was third string last year because of start forever, injuries and strong performances led to him starting last year and earning freshman all-America, he has since went into self-preservation mode and regressed in my opinion. The tight ends have not produced, they have dropped so many passes and we have done nothing to upgrade the position. We need to create a highly competitive culture. I get that every team lays an egg every now and then. We do not get exposed that often because our competition is awful. The coaches have to recruit better and expect more from our players. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,037 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 8:31:54 PM  allen wrote: A.J. won the position after 11 fumbles by our imcumbent backs. Maxwell won the the job because of start forever and Rourke ended up outshining him. Hagan was third string last year because of start forever, injuries and strong performances led to him starting last year and earning freshman all-America, he has since went into self-preservation mode and regressed in my opinion. The tight ends have not produced, they have dropped so many passes and we have done nothing to upgrade the position. We need to create a highly competitive culture. I get that every team lays an egg every now and then. We do not get exposed that often because our competition is awful. The coaches have to recruit better and expect more from our players. Listening to you, I’m shocked that kids chose Alabama and failed to come to OHIO instead. I️ mean, you break recruiting down to such a simple level that I️ just fail to understand how we lose these kids. I’m serious you really should look into a career change. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 10:27:38 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: allen wrote: A.J. won the position after 11 fumbles by our imcumbent backs. Maxwell won the the job because of start forever and Rourke ended up outshining him. Hagan was third string last year because of start forever, injuries and strong performances led to him starting last year and earning freshman all-America, he has since went into self-preservation mode and regressed in my opinion. The tight ends have not produced, they have dropped so many passes and we have done nothing to upgrade the position. We need to create a highly competitive culture. I get that every team lays an egg every now and then. We do not get exposed that often because our competition is awful. The coaches have to recruit better and expect more from our players. Listening to you, I’m shocked that kids chose Alabama and failed to come to OHIO instead. I️ mean, you break recruiting down to such a simple level that I️ just fail to understand how we lose these kids. I’m serious you really should look into a career change. I was an assistant coach before, we had water boy come in during the spring and he drop the bucket along the sideline and a player broke his leg. I was responsible because the head coach was on a recruiting trip. I should have been a head coach by now, the sad thing is that the water boy tells war stories about how he played for our team and he even seems to follow me around at times. You live and you learn, but I love the Cats. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,105 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/16/2017 10:58:24 PM  Excellent commentary allen. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,037 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/17/2017 6:43:38 AM  allen wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: allen wrote: A.J. won the position after 11 fumbles by our imcumbent backs. Maxwell won the the job because of start forever and Rourke ended up outshining him. Hagan was third string last year because of start forever, injuries and strong performances led to him starting last year and earning freshman all-America, he has since went into self-preservation mode and regressed in my opinion. The tight ends have not produced, they have dropped so many passes and we have done nothing to upgrade the position. We need to create a highly competitive culture. I get that every team lays an egg every now and then. We do not get exposed that often because our competition is awful. The coaches have to recruit better and expect more from our players. Listening to you, I’m shocked that kids chose Alabama and failed to come to OHIO instead. I️ mean, you break recruiting down to such a simple level that I️ just fail to understand how we lose these kids. I’m serious you really should look into a career change. I was an assistant coach before, we had water boy come in during the spring and he drop the bucket along the sideline and a player broke his leg. I was responsible because the head coach was on a recruiting trip. I should have been a head coach by now, the sad thing is that the water boy tells war stories about how he played for our team and he even seems to follow me around at times. You live and you learn, but I love the Cats. Well obviously your vast knowledge and experience was under appreciated, you should really make the move back into coaching, OHIO needs you! Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/17/2017 9:02:53 AM  allen wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: allen wrote: A.J. won the position after 11 fumbles by our imcumbent backs. Maxwell won the the job because of start forever and Rourke ended up outshining him. Hagan was third string last year because of start forever, injuries and strong performances led to him starting last year and earning freshman all-America, he has since went into self-preservation mode and regressed in my opinion. The tight ends have not produced, they have dropped so many passes and we have done nothing to upgrade the position. We need to create a highly competitive culture. I get that every team lays an egg every now and then. We do not get exposed that often because our competition is awful. The coaches have to recruit better and expect more from our players. Listening to you, I’m shocked that kids chose Alabama and failed to come to OHIO instead. I️ mean, you break recruiting down to such a simple level that I️ just fail to understand how we lose these kids. I’m serious you really should look into a career change. I was an assistant coach before, we had water boy come in during the spring and he drop the bucket along the sideline and a player broke his leg. I was responsible because the head coach was on a recruiting trip. I should have been a head coach by now, the sad thing is that the water boy tells war stories about how he played for our team and he even seems to follow me around at times. You live and you learn, but I love the Cats. I was the head coach of my son's flag football team. Head coach. Which starters are playing right now with backups who are better than them? Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/17/2017 9:51:00 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: allen wrote: A.J. won the position after 11 fumbles by our imcumbent backs. Maxwell won the the job because of start forever and Rourke ended up outshining him. Hagan was third string last year because of start forever, injuries and strong performances led to him starting last year and earning freshman all-America, he has since went into self-preservation mode and regressed in my opinion. The tight ends have not produced, they have dropped so many passes and we have done nothing to upgrade the position. We need to create a highly competitive culture. I get that every team lays an egg every now and then. We do not get exposed that often because our competition is awful. The coaches have to recruit better and expect more from our players. Listening to you, I’m shocked that kids chose Alabama and failed to come to OHIO instead. I️ mean, you break recruiting down to such a simple level that I️ just fail to understand how we lose these kids. I’m serious you really should look into a career change. I was an assistant coach before, we had water boy come in during the spring and he drop the bucket along the sideline and a player broke his leg. I was responsible because the head coach was on a recruiting trip. I should have been a head coach by now, the sad thing is that the water boy tells war stories about how he played for our team and he even seems to follow me around at times. You live and you learn, but I love the Cats. I was the head coach of my son's flag football team. Head coach. Which starters are playing right now with backups who are better than them? congratulations. At that level, everyone plays an equal amount of time and every week a different teammate brings juice boxes. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/18/2017 11:13:08 AM  allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/18/2017 5:56:37 PM  Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. Last Edited: 11/18/2017 7:30:11 PM by allen Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/18/2017 9:26:07 PM  allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 1:28:59 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. What I am saying is that we need to recruit guys that can play right away at certain position. There needs to be an open competition. As stated before, Hagan was third team to start the year last year and Rourke was second string this year. We have two projects coming in at wide receiver next year as if we are stacked, come on. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top TrueFan General User Member Since: 10/16/2016 Post Count: 89 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 8:55:38 AM  I agree with most of the things you are saying as well Allen, but to say a player should stop "trying to avoid injury" is a bit much. I agree, Hagan hasn't given us what he gave us last year, but heck neither did Basham in his 2nd year. I'm glad we didn't bench him. I have seen missed tackles from everyone, (Captains included) but to think they're not giving it their all....I honestly don't believe that.....talking to some of those guys, they are their own worse critic, and have been beating themselves up over every loss this year. Go Bobcats Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 1:53:19 PM  allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. What I am saying is that we need to recruit guys that can play right away at certain position. There needs to be an open competition. As stated before, Hagan was third team to start the year last year and Rourke was second string this year. We have two projects coming in at wide receiver next year as if we are stacked, come on. If it were that easy to go recruit someone that you know will be a true freshman starter we would be national champions. Maybe you could do a better job scouting and recruiting players than our coaches. In that case why are you not on the staff already putting together the team of the century? I’m not trying to be a jerk but you make it sound so easy lol. It obviously isn’t. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 4:13:38 PM  Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. What I am saying is that we need to recruit guys that can play right away at certain position. There needs to be an open competition. As stated before, Hagan was third team to start the year last year and Rourke was second string this year. We have two projects coming in at wide receiver next year as if we are stacked, come on. If it were that easy to go recruit someone that you know will be a true freshman starter we would be national champions. Maybe you could do a better job scouting and recruiting players than our coaches. In that case why are you not on the staff already putting together the team of the century? I’m not trying to be a jerk but you make it sound so easy lol. It obviously isn’t. If you recruit a 6’4, 210 pound TE when you need tight ends, you have failed because you know that the TE you recruited will have to red shirt. If yo recruit a 4.7 40 WR and a WR that has caught 10 high school passes when you need WR’s you have failed because both need to redshirt. We have to stop acting like we are perfect. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,995 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 5:48:27 PM  To repeat, this staff seems to relish getting under the radar lower ranked players and coaching them up. With players like that it is hard to get enough of them coached up to win championships. With that kind of player we are what we are...8-4, 2nd place,and low bowl. We should be used to it by now. Last Edited: 11/19/2017 5:50:41 PM by Casper71 Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,294 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 6:36:30 PM  Casper has been saying this for years. And I, for one, am starting to accept this unfortunate reality. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/19/2017 7:10:44 PM  Casper71 wrote: To repeat, this staff seems to relish getting under the radar lower ranked players and coaching them up. With players like that it is hard to get enough of them coached up to win championships. With that kind of player we are what we are...8-4, 2nd place,and low bowl. We should be used to it by now. I can’t argue with this, you are right. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/21/2017 8:46:12 AM  allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. What I am saying is that we need to recruit guys that can play right away at certain position. There needs to be an open competition. As stated before, Hagan was third team to start the year last year and Rourke was second string this year. We have two projects coming in at wide receiver next year as if we are stacked, come on. If it were that easy to go recruit someone that you know will be a true freshman starter we would be national champions. Maybe you could do a better job scouting and recruiting players than our coaches. In that case why are you not on the staff already putting together the team of the century? I’m not trying to be a jerk but you make it sound so easy lol. It obviously isn’t. If you recruit a 6’4, 210 pound TE when you need tight ends, you have failed because you know that the TE you recruited will have to red shirt. If yo recruit a 4.7 40 WR and a WR that has caught 10 high school passes when you need WR’s you have failed because both need to redshirt. We have to stop acting like we are perfect. Well go find us a tight end capable of starting as a freshman then! I guess they are easy to find? Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,246 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/21/2017 9:55:17 AM  JUCO. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,037 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/21/2017 10:35:28 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. What I am saying is that we need to recruit guys that can play right away at certain position. There needs to be an open competition. As stated before, Hagan was third team to start the year last year and Rourke was second string this year. We have two projects coming in at wide receiver next year as if we are stacked, come on. If it were that easy to go recruit someone that you know will be a true freshman starter we would be national champions. Maybe you could do a better job scouting and recruiting players than our coaches. In that case why are you not on the staff already putting together the team of the century? I’m not trying to be a jerk but you make it sound so easy lol. It obviously isn’t. If you recruit a 6’4, 210 pound TE when you need tight ends, you have failed because you know that the TE you recruited will have to red shirt. If yo recruit a 4.7 40 WR and a WR that has caught 10 high school passes when you need WR’s you have failed because both need to redshirt. We have to stop acting like we are perfect. Well go find us a tight end capable of starting as a freshman then! I guess they are easy to find? The guy is a true guru, I'm still amazed he's not on staff! Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Changes    Posted: 11/21/2017 10:35:54 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: allen wrote: Everybody needs to compete for their position. No more recruiting projects to fill in the roster, just because a guy started the previous year. If a player is not in the top five (MAC) at his position, they need to be challenged. Who is starting with backups who are better? You keep barking about “start forever” but who are you referring too? You asked so I am going to tell it like it is. Mangen’s Position should have been recruited hard three years ago. Ellis has been up and down, but his position should have been recruited hard as well. Ellis has been a pleasant surprise overall this year in my opinion. He got picked on at the end of the year, last year. He is a risk taker and he wins a lot of battles. When loses, we lose. Where is Cam Odom? Next year, if Hagan continues to try to avoid injuries, he should be benched. We make a lot of mistakes that can be corrected with competition. We need to recruit better. We have three guys coming in next year that we’re not even all-conference in high school. I call them the loyalty projects. Move one of the motley’s over to safety if our safeties can’t cover a 4.9 40 running tight ends. Anticipatory problems or situations. Rourke is a great qb, probably 1 or 2 with Cleve Bryant all-time. He is still only 20 years old and needs to be coached. He can grow or be like Roback at EMU. Roback has NFL talent, but he has made a lot of poor decisions because he is very head strong. The coaches need to be able to coach Rourke, I don't know what happened with TT, but Rourke needs to grow. He will need to watch a lot of film and avoid taking big licks. When he gets the headset on the sideline, he needs to listen. The MAC is a passing league and has been for the last decade. You have to recruit good wide-outs, defensive backs and tight ends or you will be on the outside looking in. You need 5 wide outs that can play every week and 5 corner backs. We went from having TJ Wright and Dion Byrum, to this. We went from Jordan Thompson and Rudy Sylvan to this. We went from Taylor Price and lavon Brazill to this. We need to win in the living room, period. In regards to Hagan, the coaches need to be real with him. There has only been one player that could dominate the MAC playing at 80% and that player is Randy Moss. Hagan at 80% is a second string MAC player. We need 100% or we need another option. I hate that the kid has to wait to go into the draft, but rules are rules. This could have been his year. He needs to stop believing the hype and play hungry. The MAC is a passing league, you will get exposed if you are not giving 100%. I don’t disagree with most of that. But that doesn’t explain who you think deserves to be starting over the coaches choices. What I am saying is that we need to recruit guys that can play right away at certain position. There needs to be an open competition. As stated before, Hagan was third team to start the year last year and Rourke was second string this year. We have two projects coming in at wide receiver next year as if we are stacked, come on. If it were that easy to go recruit someone that you know will be a true freshman starter we would be national champions. Maybe you could do a better job scouting and recruiting players than our coaches. In that case why are you not on the staff already putting together the team of the century? I’m not trying to be a jerk but you make it sound so easy lol. It obviously isn’t. If you recruit a 6’4, 210 pound TE when you need tight ends, you have failed because you know that the TE you recruited will have to red shirt. If yo recruit a 4.7 40 WR and a WR that has caught 10 high school passes when you need WR’s you have failed because both need to redshirt. We have to stop acting like we are perfect. Well go find us a tight end capable of starting as a freshman then! I guess they are easy to find? Go to a good recruit and tell him that we have an open position. Show him a progression plan, I am sure that we can find somebody. We probably need to go the JUCO route. JUCO's have two years, let the young man know that he needs to play if he wants to go to the next level. Come to Ohio and compete. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 40 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 133 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 133 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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