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SBH
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  Message Not Read  Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 8:28:49 AM 
Can someone explain why we don't set up Papi to return Akron's final punt? Instead of starting the final series from Akron's 40, we choose to start at our own 47? Huge difference in how we have to at least get into field goal range. Of course, it was just one of several head scratchers, the chief one being the cowardly call to go for the field goal at 4th and 2 feet. As an Akron fan said to me," I thought you guys were all about physical, run-it-down-down-their-throats football? I thought you had this giant offensive line that could always get you a yard?" I couldn't argue with him. We played to lose, and that's on Frank.
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bobcat695
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 9:01:27 AM 
I can explain it. The staff is extremely conservative. Not fielding that punt is a huge special teams gaffe. Kicking 19 yard FGs in the 1st half vs. Akron is spineless. When Frank called a timeout, then sent the FG unit back onto the field, he basically told the offense they weren't capable of picking up short yardage when they needed it the most. It's the same exact reason they threw a 20 yd pass on 4th & 2 on their final drive instead of giving Rourke a chance with an RPO.

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boydhallbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 11:02:38 AM 
Or how about..."Why didn't we challenge, or the booth challenge, that 'catch' before they punted it away?" That was 10 yards we could have on the punt return. The guy's feet were not on the field when he secured possession.
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Mike Johnson
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 11:48:19 AM 
boydhallbobcat wrote:
Or how about..."Why didn't we challenge, or the booth challenge, that 'catch' before they punted it away?" That was 10 yards we could have on the punt return. The guy's feet were not on the field when he secured possession.


Not having Papi field that punt was taking conservatism to an extreme. No fielding, no chance of muffing. But having listened to Frank acknowledge being "a little conservative," not fielding that punt was still a headscratcher.

Then came play calling that not only had me again scratching my head, but went counter to the earlier imaginative, aggressive play calling. Before recounting that headscratching play calling, let me relate some perspective. To wit, when Dorian Brown left the game, two disadvantages followed him from the field. One: He is quicker to and thru holes than AJ. Two: He stresses defenses more on options than does AJ. If you watched the game - I was there - you know that in the second half there were 2 or 3 plays on which Ohio's OL opened nice holes for AJ that looked likely to result in gains of 7 or more yards. Instead they led to gains of 2 or so yards. Now, we come to that fateful possession following the non-fielded punt. First down: AJ for little or no gain. Second down: AJ for little or no gain. Third down: Short sideline completion. Fourth down: a deep fade, LOW PERCENTAGE pass. What was Coach Albin thinking?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 11:57:21 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
boydhallbobcat wrote:
Or how about..."Why didn't we challenge, or the booth challenge, that 'catch' before they punted it away?" That was 10 yards we could have on the punt return. The guy's feet were not on the field when he secured possession.


Not having Papi field that punt was taking conservatism to an extreme. No fielding, no chance of muffing. But having listened to Frank acknowledge being "a little conservative," not fielding that punt was still a headscratcher.

Then came play calling that not only had me again scratching my head, but went counter to the earlier imaginative, aggressive play calling. Before recounting that headscratching play calling, let me relate some perspective. To wit, when Dorian Brown left the game, two disadvantages followed him from the field. One: He is quicker to and thru holes than AJ. Two: He stresses defenses more on options than does AJ. If you watched the game - I was there - you know that in the second half there were 2 or 3 plays on which Ohio's OL opened nice holes for AJ that looked likely to result in gains of 7 or more yards. Instead they led to gains of 2 or so yards. Now, we come to that fateful possession following the non-fielded punt. First down: AJ for little or no gain. Second down: AJ for little or no gain. Third down: Short sideline completion. Fourth down: a deep fade, LOW PERCENTAGE pass. What was Coach Albin thinking?



The same thing Albin always is thinking ..... nothing.

He's brain dead. His play-calling has been baffling for nearly a decade.

That was one of the worst called 2H of football I've ever seen.

They came out of the locker room after half and promptly went three-and-out.

What?!?!

How many times did he have to run AJUTM to realize that maybe ... just maybe it isn't going to work tonight like it did vs. Toledo.

The only play call I'll give him credit for is the TD run by Rourke when they FINALLY faked to AJUTM and Rourke kept it for the easy score.

Why did Frank elect to kick FG on 4th and inches from 1 foot line .... maybe because Albin has continually proven to fail in that situation?!

The guy is awful when it comes to calling plays.

And then decision to NOT have Papi field that punt is laughable. All he has to do is fair catch it at the Akron 40 or 45 and you need 10 yards to kick game tying FG .... oh wait .... Albin couldn't even get 10 yards on that drive.

Pathetic display all around from this staff .... again. From not having the team mentally prepared ... for not righting the ship when they blew a 21-10 2Q lead ... for not making adjustments in the 1H defensively when Akron was abusing the secondary with a backup QB ... or in the 2H offensively when they continued to run AJ into a brick wall just about every play.

But again ... this has been the same story for 13 years with these guys. Longest tenured clown show in CFB. We keep getting sucked in thinking "maybe this will be the year it all comes together .... they won't blow it this year" ... and then they lose games like CMU at home and at Akron with league title on the line.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 12:41:31 PM 
The punter would likely punt the ball differently with a returner back there. With no one back to return, he knows just get the punt off and let it roll. If Papi is back there, I don't think there's any way he kicks it right to him.
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SBH
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 12:52:19 PM 
Papi WAS back there. He chose not to field it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 1:33:57 PM 
SBH wrote:
Papi WAS back there. He chose not to field it.




Yep, more of a player decision than a coaching decision.
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GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 2:14:06 PM 
The broadcast said he had his heels at the 35 yard line when the punter kicked the ball. I didn't see where it landed, but he probably was in a terrible position to properly field it for a return. Still...fair catch that thing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 2:39:05 PM 
gotcha. wasn't watching at that point. thought the topic was not sending out any returner.
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Sam bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Akron's final punt
   Posted: 11/15/2017 4:08:53 PM 
bshot44 wrote:


The same thing Albin always is thinking ..... nothing.

He's brain dead. His play-calling has been baffling for nearly a decade.

That was one of the worst called 2H of football I've ever seen.

They came out of the locker room after half and promptly went three-and-out.

What?!?!

How many times did he have to run AJUTM to realize that maybe ... just maybe it isn't going to work tonight like it did vs. Toledo.

The only play call I'll give him credit for is the TD run by Rourke when they FINALLY faked to AJUTM and Rourke kept it for the easy score.

Why did Frank elect to kick FG on 4th and inches from 1 foot line .... maybe because Albin has continually proven to fail in that situation?!

The guy is awful when it comes to calling plays.

And then decision to NOT have Papi field that punt is laughable. All he has to do is fair catch it at the Akron 40 or 45 and you need 10 yards to kick game tying FG .... oh wait .... Albin couldn't even get 10 yards on that drive.

Pathetic display all around from this staff .... again. From not having the team mentally prepared ... for not righting the ship when they blew a 21-10 2Q lead ... for not making adjustments in the 1H defensively when Akron was abusing the secondary with a backup QB ... or in the 2H offensively when they continued to run AJ into a brick wall just about every play.



I can't argue with this. That was definitely a hangover from Toledo. That is on the staff and the seniors/captains of the team. I saw more missed tackles in that game than any other.
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