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Kevin Finnegan
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We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/16/2017 12:40:44 PM

He's a playmaker and he's pretty accurate. We could have three years of this, too. I just hope Frank lets him establish himself all day and doesn't make a lot of switches.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/16/2017 3:44:52 PM

Maybe even two. The Ohio record for single season pass efficiency is held by Tettleton at 148.6 in 2011, followed by Tettleton at 141.2 in 2012, then comes Bruce Babbitt from 1962 at 139.4. Currently Rourke is 33-49-0, 445 yards and 3 TDs, an efficiency of 163.8. Maxwell is 13-21-2 for 214 yards and 2 TDs, an efficiency of 159.9.

Last Edited: 9/16/2017 10:12:04 PM by L.C.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/16/2017 9:47:06 PM

L.C. wrote:

The Ohio record for single season pass efficiency is held by Tettleton at 148.6 in 2011, followed by Tettleton at 141.2 in 2042

Tettleton in 2011 and again in 2042. Was/is that a father-son combo or one 33rd-year senior?

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/16/2017 10:12:37 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

L.C. wrote:

The Ohio record for single season pass efficiency is held by Tettleton at 148.6 in 2011, followed by Tettleton at 141.2 in 2042

Tettleton in 2011 and again in 2042. Was/is that a father-son combo or one 33rd-year senior?

Umm, he used the Delorean?

I fixed it, thanks.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/16/2017 11:48:15 PM

L.C. wrote:

It is hard to believe that Maxwell's efficiency rating is that high. I agree that both QB's are pretty good. Rourke looks like he has the it factor and he seems to have a vision of being a great GB, he plays with no fear. Maxwell has a NFL Arm, NFL size and he is an excellent athlete. If he can calm himself down in the big moments he could be great. Keszei and Mischler look pretty good as well. The QB position appears to be well-stocked, with Rourke being the guy right now.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/17/2017 12:14:32 AM

Maxwell was 185 against Hampton, only 33.5 against Purdue, and then 248 against Kansas:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3920819/...

Rourke has been improving, 121 against Hampton, 161 against Purdue, and then 190 against Kansas. Those are excellent numbers against 2 P5 foes, especially Purdue, which actually has a defense. The Louisville QB had an efficiency of 149 against Purdue, and the Missouri QB had 68. Rourke's numbers were the best anyone has done against them so far.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4244688/...

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/17/2017 10:43:47 AM

The biggest difference in Rourke is how he keeps a play going and makes something out of nothing. Plus he is an extremely accurate thrower.
It has surprised me pleasantly how quickly he has adjusted to D1 competition.
His playmaking and throwing ability has been lacking the last few years at our QB position. Makes our offense so much more effective and difficult to defend.

Last Edited: 9/17/2017 10:45:00 AM by ytownbobcat

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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:36:26 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

Amen! (Do I get an extra point for succinctness?) :-)

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/17/2017 10:23:15 PM

Rourke's habit of throwing off his back leg makes me scream out "GAH!" every time he lofts one deep.

I guess I'll have to learn to stop worrying and love the bomb.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 11:42:48 AM

L.C. wrote:

The difference is that the QB efficiency rating weighs everything from each of these games equally. It's not a perfect system, but the QBR run by ESPN takes into account the opposition, time of the game, and multiple other factors. Thus, a great game against Hampton is not equal to a great game against Purdue.

In that metric, the statistics are pretty telling right now. The QBR is on a scale of 100. In that, Maxwell is at a raw QBR of 23.6 this season (14.7 adjusted QBR), whereas Rourke is at 84.4 this season (76.6 adjusted QBR).

I think we have the potential to have a great MAC quarterback in Rourke. I wouldn't say the same about Maxwell.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 11:50:37 AM

finnOhio wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Good information from both Finn and L.C. Supports what my eyes have been telling me.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 11:58:37 AM

Extrapolating out information from the entire MAC, here are the QBRs of each team's top QB:

EAST:
Buffalo--Jackson 77.7 (75.5 adjusted QBR)
Kent--Holley 62.1 (48.3)...but he has been sparingly used
Akron--Woodson 47.3 (42.6)
Miami--Ragland 37.7 (27.7)
BGSU--Morgan 30.3 (21.1)

WEST:
Toledo--Woodside 88.0 (75.9)
Ball--Neal 73.9 (67.1)
EMU--Roback 66.3 (55.7)
CMU--Morris 66.0 (52.8)
WMU--Wassink 59.3 (63.0)
NIU--Santacaterina 55.5 (46.4)

So, Rourke's 84.4/76.6 trails only Woodside in the MAC. Meanwhile, Maxwell's 23.6/14.7 is the lowest in the MAC this year. For comparison, Maxwell's freshman season was a 43.3/36.9, which would have him above Ragland and Morgan this year but below everybody else.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:06:09 PM

finnOhio wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Thank you for posting this. The QBR is a much better metric.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:14:04 PM

finnOhio wrote:

Good work. Thank you.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:18:46 PM

finnOhio wrote:

So, Rourke's 84.4/76.6 trails only Woodside in the MAC. Meanwhile, Maxwell's 23.6/14.7 is the lowest in the MAC this year. For comparison, Maxwell's freshman season was a 43.3/36.9, which would have him above Ragland and Morgan this year but below everybody else.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:43:49 PM

I think it's obvious to anyone that has watched Ohio play the last two weeks ... the offense is in better hands with Rourke running the show.

Nothing against Maxwell ... he's had his opportunities ... but the offense rarely has clicked with him at QB.

With Rourke, you can just see it come together.

Maxwell might have the tools ... but there's just something that isn't clicking consistently with him.

I'd like to see Rourke get 99.9% of the snaps this weekend at EMU unless he just totally stinks up the joint.

Enough of this "Maxwell will get the 4th series, blah, blah, blah."

Stick with one QB.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:48:19 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Gotta agree with this.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:51:06 PM

Even though Maxwell is listed as bigger than Rourke (6-3, 224 vs 6-2, 209), Rourke just seems to play bigger. Maybe he was a lumberjack in Canada (and that's okay).

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:22:50 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Agreed.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:55:18 PM

finnOhio wrote:

WMU--Wassink 59.3 (63.0)
NIU--Santacaterina 55.5 (46.4)

I hope the announcers covering this year's WMU-NIU game do a lot of tongue and mouth exercises before the game having to say those two names repeatedly!

Last Edited: 9/19/2017 1:55:55 PM by OUcats82

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:07:37 PM

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finnOhio wrote:

WMU--Wassink 59.3 (63.0)
NIU--Santacaterina 55.5 (46.4)

I hope the announcers covering this year's WMU-NIU game do a lot of tongue and mouth exercises before the game having to say those two names repeatedly!

A little O.T.,but a week or so ago,WFAN had Phil Sims on with Boomer Esiason.

Esiason was talking about how much prep time Sims puts in to make sure he pronounces players' names correctly.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:57:41 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

...Thank you for posting this. The QBR is a much better metric.

I'm not familiar with the QBR, so I can't really comment on this. I'm familiar with two formulas for pass efficiency, the college one and the pro one. Either of those you can compute yourself, so you can understand what goes into it. If I get time, I'll read something about the QBR.

Edit... OK, I read a little about QBR. It sounds rather proprietary, convoluted, and bizarre. That doesn't mean that it's not useful, nor that it is. I'll watch it a little in the future to see if I find it useful.

Note that I agree that Rourke has played better than Maxwell. I predicted before the season that Maxwell would be significantly improved, but that he would have a hard time staying ahead of Rourke, who I believe is going to be great. I think that the difference is more than the pass efficiency rating shows, but less than the QBR rating indicates.

Last Edited: 9/19/2017 4:17:22 PM by L.C.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 4:46:22 PM

Per this web page, Ohio's all time leader in QBR was Vick in 2014 at 61.5:
http://scorecenter.espn.go.com/ncf/qbr?type=alltime-seaso...

They rank him as the #24 season by a MAC QB, just about on a par with Bruce Gradkowski's senior season.

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/19/2017 10:49:47 PM

Looking at QBR for various seasons, it shows for Ohio QBs:

2004 Ryan Hawk 16.1, Austin Everson 18.1
2005 Everson 17.6, Brandon Jones 5.7
2006 Everson 24.5, Bower 23.4
2007 Bower 29.8, Scott 25.9
2008 Jackson 51.5, Scott 41.8, Jones 24.9
2009 Scott 39.8, Jackson 22.5, Tettleton 1.6
2010 Jackson 41.4, Bates not computed
2011 Tettleton 60.5, Bates, Snyder not computed
2012 Tettleton 59.9, Vick 44.9
2013 Tettleton 55.6, Vick 52.2
2014 Sprague 29.3, Vick 61.5, Windham, 29.1
2015 Vick 50.8, Sprague 52.8, Windham 39.3
2016 Windham 55.4, Maxwell 14.7
2017 Rourke 76.6, Maxwell 36.9

These stats are, umm, interesting. If you accept them, Ohio's QBs were all pretty bad until Tettleton, but since then, Ohio's QBs have been good, in Vick, Sprague, and Windham.

They don't compute career numbers, but if I do a sort of weighted average, I get the following, from worst to best:

Brandon Jones 14.9
Ryan Hawk 16.1
Everson 20.8
Bower 28.5
Maxwell 34.3
Scott 36.9
Sprague 37.5
Jackson 45.7
Windham 52.6
Vick 54.1
Tettleton 57.6
Rourke 76.6

Another interesting thing pops out at me when you look at QBR. Some have argued that most QBs showed no improvement from year to year, but on QBR, all of them did, except for Boo Jackson. Scott and Tettleton improved a lot from their first years, but then were pretty constant. Resorting the list from above by QB:

Ryan Hawk, 2004 16.1
Everson 2004-6: 18.1, 17.6, 24.5
Jones 2005-2008: 5.7, 24.9
Bower 2006-2007: 23.4, 29.8
Scott 2007-2009: 25.9, 41.8, 39.8
Jackson 2008-2010: 51.5, 22.5, 41.4
Tettleton 2009-2013: 1.6, 60.5, 59.9, 55.6
Vick 2012-2015: 44.9, 52.2, 61.5, 50.8
Sprague 2014-15: 29.3, 52.8
Windham 2014-16: 29.1, 39.3, 55.4

Is this how people see it? Rourke at the top, with Tettleton, Vick, and Windham all about the same? Almost all the QBs showing steady improvement from year to year?

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RE: We have a quarterback...

Posted: 9/20/2017 10:05:10 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

OUcats82 wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

WMU--Wassink 59.3 (63.0)
NIU--Santacaterina 55.5 (46.4)

I hope the announcers covering this year's WMU-NIU game do a lot of tongue and mouth exercises before the game having to say those two names repeatedly!

A little O.T.,but a week or so ago,WFAN had Phil Sims on with Boomer Esiason.

Esiason was talking about how much prep time Sims puts in to make sure he pronounces players' names correctly.

As someone who has a last name that is rather simple but often mispronounced I really appreciate that!

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