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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  Marshall at UC
   Posted: 9/30/2017 10:41:55 PM 
I caught the second half on ESPN3.

If there was any doubt...last season's 3-9 was clearly an abberation.
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   Posted: 9/30/2017 11:10:10 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I caught the second half on ESPN3.

If there was any doubt...last season's 3-9 was clearly an abberation.


+1

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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/1/2017 11:22:35 PM 
I think Luke Fickell will bring UC back to respectability but as The Hollies would say, the road is long! I think there is heart and effort in Clifton but just not skill and I think the raw talent that arrived from high schools the past few years were not properly developed by the previous leadership. May be a few more years before they are a strong contender in The American.

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   Posted: 10/1/2017 11:24:54 PM 
So I guess we should fear Marshall because they are not on our schedule?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/2/2017 1:38:32 AM 
Screw Marshall!

Go Bobcats!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/2/2017 11:15:43 AM 
OUcats82 wrote:
I think Luke Fickell will bring UC back to respectability but as The Hollies would say, the road is long! I think there is heart and effort in Clifton but just not skill and I think the raw talent that arrived from high schools the past few years were not properly developed by the previous leadership. May be a few more years before they are a strong contender in The American.


Tommy T and staff sure did make a mess of an otherwise solid program. Good thing for Fickell & Co: They've recruited very well by all accounts.
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   Posted: 10/2/2017 11:29:57 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
I think Luke Fickell will bring UC back to respectability but as The Hollies would say, the road is long! I think there is heart and effort in Clifton but just not skill and I think the raw talent that arrived from high schools the past few years were not properly developed by the previous leadership. May be a few more years before they are a strong contender in The American.


Tommy T and staff sure did make a mess of an otherwise solid program. Good thing for Fickell & Co: They've recruited very well by all accounts.


Tuberville = Program Killer

Mike Leach built Texas Tech into maybe the 3rd or 4th best program in the Big XII .... then those dopes in administration fire him.

Tuberville comes in and manages to destroy everything ....

Tech had been bowl eligible in every year since the Big XII started ... Tuberville went 5-7 in his 2nd year and missed a bowl. Disaster.

And he's a d**k on top of it

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/texastech...

Kliff Kingsbury isn't exactly Vince Lombardi, but he was put in a similar position as Fickell ... cleaning up a Tuberville mess.
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   Posted: 10/2/2017 11:48:37 AM 
When do we get to start putting "unacceptable" wins up against them again?

Big road game for us against Cincinnati next year.

Last Edited: 10/2/2017 11:49:22 AM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/2/2017 12:39:31 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
So I guess we should fear Marshall because they are not on our schedule?


One of the pundits has us playing them in the Bahamas Bowl! So they may be.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/2/2017 1:26:34 PM 
bshott44 - we can agree on the opinion of Tommy T and his level of niceness. ;)

My Dad is a Bearcat, and was calling for his removal a year earlier than it was done. After all that, somehow he ends up getting an ESPN gig?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/2/2017 9:23:37 PM 
I was really referring to Marshall in my post.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/3/2017 10:25:33 AM 
Sorry for the thread drift Jeff. I didn't get to see the game, but sounds like the Herd are pretty good.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/3/2017 12:00:53 PM 
Marshall could be the worst 10-win team in college football history this season. Right now, only 2 teams remaining on their schedule have winning records: FIU and UTSA. CUSA is baaaaaaaaaad this year.

(To be fair, we only have 2 teams on our schedule with winning records too: Toledo and Buffalo. But we also acknowledge how terrible the MAC East is, and 2 of Marshall's 3 wins right now are versus MAC East teams, soooooo...yeah...)

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   Posted: 10/3/2017 12:29:42 PM 
C Money wrote:
Marshall could be the worst 10-win team in college football history this season. Right now, only 2 teams remaining on their schedule have winning records: FIU and UTSA. CUSA is baaaaaaaaaad this year.

(To be fair, we only have 2 teams on our schedule with winning records too: Toledo and Buffalo. But we also acknowledge how terrible the MAC East is, and 2 of Marshall's 3 wins right now are versus MAC East teams, soooooo...yeah...)


Looking forward to revisiting this when Ohio is 10-3 after losing MACC to Toledo ... and getting set to face Marshall in the Gasperilla Bowl
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   Posted: 10/3/2017 4:08:07 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
C Money wrote:
Marshall could be the worst 10-win team in college football history this season. Right now, only 2 teams remaining on their schedule have winning records: FIU and UTSA. CUSA is baaaaaaaaaad this year.

(To be fair, we only have 2 teams on our schedule with winning records too: Toledo and Buffalo. But we also acknowledge how terrible the MAC East is, and 2 of Marshall's 3 wins right now are versus MAC East teams, soooooo...yeah...)


Looking forward to revisiting this when Ohio is 10-3 after losing MACC to Toledo ... and getting set to face Marshall in the Gasperilla Bowl


Nah, we'll lose to Toledo and then crap the bed vs. Buffalo to finish 9-3, sending a Fiami team we beat to the MACC. Because that's how we roll.
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   Posted: 10/3/2017 5:52:43 PM 
BOTH divisions of CUSA have been MAC East bad for the past several seasons. The out of conference results for CUSA are better this year than last. CUSA is still worse overall than the MAC. You might be able to argue that CUSA East is better than MAC East. Maybe.

Anyway, if you told me right now that I could take or leave the result of the regular season as Ohio being in a debate with Marshall over who is the worst 10 win team in FBS then I think that I would take it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Marshall at UC
   Posted: 10/3/2017 9:50:41 PM 
I'd argue Holiday has done a fairly good job keeping Marshall as a relevant program in CUSA with all the new competition out there. ODU, Liberty, Charlotte, App State, Coastal, Georgia St, Georgia Southern all located right in the Herd's traditional recruiting grounds. The Florida CUSA universities have loaded up with better HCs and could shift the dynamic in a few years.

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   Posted: 10/4/2017 10:52:04 AM 
Victory wrote:
BOTH divisions of CUSA have been MAC East bad for the past several seasons. The out of conference results for CUSA are better this year than last. CUSA is still worse overall than the MAC. You might be able to argue that CUSA East is better than MAC East. Maybe.

Anyway, if you told me right now that I could take or leave the result of the regular season as Ohio being in a debate with Marshall over who is the worst 10 win team in FBS then I think that I would take it.


The MAC, Sun Belt and CUSA (no surprise) are in a dogfight for "Worst Conference in FBS" honors.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

CUSA has 4 teams in bottom 16

MAC has 4 teams in bottom 19

SBC has 6 teams in bottom 20

Quick math ... 14 of the worst 20 teams reside in these three leagues. Woof.

The only thing propping the MAC up is Toledo (#50), NIU (#67) and Ohio (#74) are all in the Top 75.

Marshall and UTSA are both top 70 for CUSA

SBC also has two (Troy and App State) in the Top 70

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   Posted: 10/4/2017 10:59:52 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
...The only propping the MAC up is Toledo (#50), NIU (#67) and Ohio (#74) are all in the Top 75.
...

You missed WMU at #52

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   Posted: 10/4/2017 11:11:34 AM 
L.C. wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
...The only propping the MAC up is Toledo (#50), NIU (#67) and Ohio (#74) are all in the Top 75.
...

You missed WMU at #52



Yes! That would make more sense of why MAC is above some of the others.

Good eyes!
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   Posted: 10/4/2017 12:31:26 PM 
Using Sagarin numbers, and combining East and West divisions, you get:
AAC 67.22
MWC 62.84
MAC 59.70
CUSA 56.99
Sunbelt 55.09

That's actually the strongest the MAC has been since 2011.

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   Posted: 10/4/2017 1:20:43 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Using Sagarin numbers, and combining East and West divisions, you get:
AAC 67.22
MWC 62.84
MAC 59.70
CUSA 56.99
Sunbelt 55.09

That's actually the strongest the MAC has been since 2011.


until they start playing each other and those numbers plummet.

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   Posted: 10/4/2017 1:58:39 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Using Sagarin numbers, and combining East and West divisions, you get:
AAC 67.22
MWC 62.84
MAC 59.70
CUSA 56.99
Sunbelt 55.09

That's actually the strongest the MAC has been since 2011.


until they start playing each other and those numbers plummet.

Playing each other won't make the numbers go up or down; it only transfers points from one team to another. What does make the numbers go up or down is how the OOC teams that the MAC played do. For example, if Nebraska ends with 3 wins, the NIU victory over Nebraska is devalued, hurting NIU, and the conference. On the other hand, if Nebraska goes on to win 8 games somehow, the NIU win becomes more valuable, and the entire conference goes up.

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   Posted: 10/4/2017 2:06:54 PM 
L.C. wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Using Sagarin numbers, and combining East and West divisions, you get:
AAC 67.22
MWC 62.84
MAC 59.70
CUSA 56.99
Sunbelt 55.09

That's actually the strongest the MAC has been since 2011.


until they start playing each other and those numbers plummet.

Playing each other won't make the numbers go up or down; it only transfers points from one team to another. What does make the numbers go up or down is how the OOC teams that the MAC played do. For example, if Nebraska ends with 3 wins, the NIU victory over Nebraska is devalued, hurting NIU, and the conference. On the other hand, if Nebraska goes on to win 8 games somehow, the NIU win becomes more valuable, and the entire conference goes up.



I would think Ohio is not going to stay at #74 when they play BG, Kent, CMU and Akron still? Those awful teams would have to lower Ohio's number? Wouldn't it?

And with UMass and KU staring ZERO wins the rest of the year in the face ... those numbers will only get worse.
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   Posted: 10/4/2017 3:54:15 PM 
That's exactly right. If KU and UMass continue to lose, those wins become even less valuable than they already are. On the other hand, if one or the other team somehow upsets someone, those wins could gain value.

The overall conference ranking on computer models will drift more over the year, but I have no way to know in which direction. Then, come bowl time, it can move a lot, depending on how those games turn out.

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