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TWT
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Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 12:48:31 PM

I see a lot of apprehension toward the program and what is the concern? Is it a fear we will spend too much on the football and cause the university to enter into financial default? Is it that Solich/Burrow will pull a Castro brothers and keep the regime installed for another 30 years? Is it that if fans are gloating over football they could face the ultimate crime of being humbled? What is your problem?

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 1:56:04 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Actually a very good and reasonable question to ask. For me, it stems from the fact that we sit here and hope for a championship and I ask can this staff get us there, I say no. That's where my worry lies. Again, willing to eat my words the day it comes, but until then he's had 12 years to win one. Seven different schools have won a title in this span so you tell me whether we're long past due for the rewards of continuity of 12 years.....

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 2:35:03 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

I get a little dismayed by our record in big games. The majority of us object to the play calling, FS has even identified this as a problem numerous times, but he never does anything about it. I love the team and the program, I think we are in a little bit of a tail spin. I love last year's recruiting class.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 2:58:50 PM

Honestly? I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to care about.

Our MAC rivalries? A MAC Championship? Winning the [Enter new sponsor annual] Bowl in Detroit/Boise/Mobile?

It just isn't, frankly, all that exciting. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd be much, much more inclined to be enthusiastic about our competing for a playoff spot in FCS where we'd have a real, honest shot of winning something than I am about beating NIU or whoever in the MACC to appear in bowl game to play some team from the Sun Belt.

I would much rather be a power in a lower division than a non-entity in FCS. Regardless of what we do -- we could go undefeated for 24 straight games -- we're not guaranteed an opportunity to play for a championship where we are. So I find it really tough to care.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 7:11:00 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

You really need Ohio to implement the medical prescription for medical marijuana Take a toke and relax

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 7:35:22 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

You really need Ohio to implement the medical prescription for medical marijuana Take a toke and relax

Lol, hilarious

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 9:34:17 PM

allen wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

You really need Ohio to implement the medical prescription for medical marijuana Take a toke and relax

Lol, hilarious

Jackie O's and Souvlaki's style gyros in stadium helps take the edge off also...

RS Bobcat

TWT
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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 9:59:40 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Since 1997 the past 20 years of college football we've had 26 playoff games (finals and semis). Only 18 universities over the past two decades have played in a FBS playoff game. If Peden was 100,000 seats it would be fair to express some bitterness over not playing for a national championship the past two decades. I just don't feel bitter when we don't belong in that conversation. It's the same in every D1 sport we participate in. The only national championship OU has ever won is an individual championship in wrestling.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 10:38:04 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Also, an individual championship in Cross Country, and the College Division National Championship in football in 1960. The College Division existed for several years in the 1950s era.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 11:46:57 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I'feel the exact same way. I was a huge OSU fan my entire life upon my arrival in Athens. Going from expecting a NY6 bowl or playoff bid as of the last few years to "Well, if they win this game they get to go to Idaho for the potato bowl on December 23rd!!" Is quite the drop off.

I wouldn't mind seeing the G5 schools have their own 8-12 team playoff. Some AD's are for it, most are against it because it "alienates programs" but realistically there are 6-8 schools who have the talent to win a NC. No one in the G5 has a cold chance in hell to ever make that happen. Why not allow the smaller schools to have a reason to compete? They could even mix in FCS schools with G5 schools and create an entirely new division if you will. Something has to happen because watching the same schools succeed every single year and hoping for a trip to the prestigious Dollar General Bowl is deflating and uninteresting.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/10/2017 11:53:22 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Also, an individual championship in Cross Country, and the College Division National Championship in football in 1960. The College Division existed for several years in the 1950s era.

Its still very clear we are not built to win national championships. We aren't an exclusive land grant university in a major metro market. University of Texas where in every sport a NC is a realistic goal. At Ohio the situation is more that tradition has allowed us to build athletics to a point beyond what is normal for a small market.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 12:20:33 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Not true. Our former men's track coach won a national track championship. Anyone remember men's track?

Last Edited: 9/11/2017 12:21:49 AM by Alan Swank

TWT
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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 12:52:59 AM

LynxRufus6 wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

18 programs have played for a NC in the past 20 years. I agree its not a lot of diversity. But that is the way it is with the advantages the largest programs have. For us the highest level we can compete at with any regularity is to be in the conversation for an access bowl. Solich has only had us in the conversation one time (2012) in all the years he's coached. Regularly contend for an access bowl and pick up some conference championships in the process.

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2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 7:10:15 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

You misread my post. I didn't express bitterness that we haven't played for a national championship, I expressed resignation over the fact that we're not eligible to do so.

Further, you're conflating two connected but ultimately different ideas. That only 18 schools have played for a national championship points to an issue of parity amongst those eligible to play for a national championship. It isn't a reason that we should be unwilling to accept that we're not eligible to do so.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 10:09:23 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I'm somewhat in agreement with you with one exception: I care about winning in Detroit that first weekend in December. I don't honestly care about the bowl game, though I watch it. Other than Miami & BG, I'm indifferent towards MAC "rivals". And BG is simply because I have many friends that graduated from there. I get more excited when we play Marshall than I do anyone else.

I'm not sure on the lower division. As a basketball fan first, ideally that would allow for a little extra cash for hoops. The reality is that isn't happening. And we can't discount the value of a noon ESPNU game like we're getting this weekend. That doesn't happen if the MAC is FCS.

At the end of the day, I treat football in Athens as a great day with friends. A social event that is more important that the game itself for me. The success of the program isn't really going to change whether or not I come down for games and tailgate, etc. It doesn't mean I don't want to see that MAC Championship.

Last Edited: 9/11/2017 10:12:24 AM by OU_Country

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 10:30:59 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Not true. Our former men's track coach won a national track championship. Anyone remember men's track?

Elmore Banton won the National Cross-Country Championship in 1964, not Track.

And yes, we remember track (and F*%K Kirby Hocutt)

Last Edited: 9/11/2017 10:32:15 AM by OUbobcat9092

Bring Back Men's Track & Field

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 10:56:08 AM

I'm not apprehensive....just starting to get bored.

My son wants to go camping Friday night, so we're going camping. With the switch to the noon kickoff Saturday, I was probably going to skip the game and catch up on sleep from the night before...but then he said he wants to go to the game. So we're probably going to go now.

But that's a function of my son's happiness and not a function of a particularly exciting brand of football. And given that he's 5 years old, there's a good chance he'll change his mind by Saturday morning and decide he'd rather watch the Minion movie for the 75th time in the last 2 weeks. And if that's the case, I'll probably be home watching the Minion movie and following the game on the computer.

At the end of the day, sports is entertainment, and I have other options for entertainment. If Ohio wants to keep me engaged, they need to give me a reason to prefer this option over others. 7-5 and a trip to the Dollar General Bowl year in, year out, ain't cutting it any more.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 11:49:04 AM

Completely agree Mr. Money, after last week's beatdown on National TV against a bottom feeder B-10 school, I may not attend this Saturday's game. I am tired of the same old crap. Sadly, if we finish this year the way we have for a number of years I will probably not renew my season tickets and support next year. Maybe something will change for the better, but right now I just don't see it happening.

BTW, during last Friday night's pregame show on Fox, they showed a graphic of the 2 worst teams in the P-5 for the last several years based upon each team's W/L record over those several years. The worst team was Kansas followed very closely by Purdue. If we lose to Kansas this Saturday, there was a time when I would vent on this Board. Now, I will probably shake my head and walk away.

Last Edited: 9/11/2017 11:55:42 AM by ou79

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 1:13:26 PM

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Not true. Our former men's track coach won a national track championship. Anyone remember men's track?

Elmore Banton won the National Cross-Country Championship in 1964, not Track.

And yes, we remember track (and F*%K Kirby Hocutt)

I typed too quickly - of course it was cross country. Interesting that 3 of the top 10 team finishers were MAC schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_NCAA_University_Divisi...

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 1:14:04 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Not true. Our former men's track coach won a national track championship. Anyone remember men's track?

You mean that sport that was supported entirely by the SAF? yes, I remember very well.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/11/2017 2:01:55 PM

I think the apprehension comes from the fact that we're not very fun to watch. There are teams that may have a similar record, but you enjoy the games a bit more. They're flashy, they're fun, they're entertaining. That's what this is, a form of entertainment. The Bobcats the last couple of years haven't been very entertaining. They're instead quite plain. That I certainly put on the coaching side.

Look at the way Purdue played. Not their athletes alone, they played with a different energy, a greater fire. They opened up the field. They used trick plays.

In the write-ups of those at the Hampton game, it sounds like we were quite vanilla in the way we played. Yes, we scored 59, but it sounds like it wasn't an altogether 'fun' experience. That's what I think fans want. Something flashy. I just don't think that's who Frank is. I think he'd be completely happy gaining 3.5 yards every play, marching down the field in a slow, deliberate manner.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/12/2017 10:39:54 AM

ou79 wrote:

"Same old crap." What do you mean by this? Do you mean you don't like 7-8 wins per year? Bowl games in 8 out of the last 12 years? No conference losing records since 2008?

"Change for the better." What do you expect? We play one "big" OOC game a year. Sometimes we win (Penn St., Pitt), sometimes we lose (Ohio St., Purdue).

The only difference you can really hope for is an NIU or WMU scenario where you get an OOC win vs. a big team and then run the conference table to get a big bowl bid. Otherwise, you are going to get the same thing -- 7-8 wins, maybe a MAC title game and a low-tier bowl.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/13/2017 11:17:58 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Familiarity breeds contempt.

As for me, well, we've been to 4 MAC Championship games. That's what I want from the program. A MAC Championship. Solich has gotten us there 4 times. Didn't win any. But, he got us there 4 times. Hard for me to want regime change when taking that into consideration. But, I'll still grumble and complain now and then like all fans do.

Last Edited: 9/13/2017 11:20:55 AM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/13/2017 1:25:42 PM

For me I care about the MAC games, we need to win those in order to get to the MAC title game. I'm disappointed we have not won a title, but excited we are in the conversation every year. As for out of conference. I like the big games like Tennessee last year, we competed well, looked good. Disappointed in our performance at Purdue. Never excited about the Hamptons, but I like six home games. We used to have 5. I like the big away games to be a reasonable drive. Marshall doesn't excite me at all. They are fine to play, but exciting, not even close.

Overall, I expect to be in the conversation for the title game. I want to win, the rest is gravy as we are not a power 5. Bowl games are cool, love them. Detroit is where it matters to me.

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RE: Fan Apprehensions

Posted: 9/13/2017 3:46:29 PM

The instant Jeff Brohm was hired at Purdue, that game became a much more significant challenge for Ohio. It's a style of offense that we just don't seem to deal with very well or very often. I don't want to see it again, frankly.

What happened against Purdue sucked and it will be seen as a missed opportunity for us, but it's not who we are as a program and we're not as bad as we looked. We have a sh** game like that every year. Last year, it also happened to come the week before Kansas, and we came out with fire in our eyes the following week. We all knew after the Louisville game that they were going to be much better than last year. It was bad timing for us and certainly a bad time to fumble twice in three drives and forget how to play defense. It doesn't make it any less frustrating, especially after 4 hours in a car and beer lines that were way too long. But it doesn't define our season.

When did Poling go out of the game last week?

I really do hope we get to see Quinton Maxwell reach his potential, and I hope to he gets another chance to show what he can really do, but this is Division 1 football and we can only have so much on the job training. Nathan Rourke is our immediate future. That kid has moxy and I want him running our offense. Here are the keys, young man. Show us what you can do.

Last Edited: 9/13/2017 3:48:45 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat

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