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Topic: Could Football Ever End?

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giacomo
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Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 7/31/2017 2:05:05 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/could-football-ever-end-1501...

Jason Gay from the WSJ ponders the question. With current players cutting their careers short, to parents not wanting their kids to play and the recent study on head trauma.

Last Edited: 7/31/2017 2:05:42 PM by giacomo

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 7/31/2017 3:12:18 PM

It certainly cannot continue like this:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/foo...

It will either radically change in the next decade or so, or it will slowly slide into the status boxing now occupies.

If/when that happens, you won't see many high school or college programs left, especially if they are successfully sued for CTE issues.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 7/31/2017 8:41:31 PM

It will certainly take a while but the ongoing monthly if not weekly and daily concussion stories do have an impact. Below is a story from a Higher Ed journal. For the record, I believe football is safer than it has ever been, certainly more than when I was playing as a kid. However, there are certainly a lot of nervous parents and I hear it from my sons friend's parents, some of the guys were former former college players themselves. A couple specifically told their sons early no to playing football. Both of these guys told me that their problems weren't concussions, but a string of long term nagging injuries that led to numerous shoulder and knee surgeries.

Again, I honestly think the game, because of the proper equipment and teaching techniques, is safer now than ever, but all of these stories do take a toll. While many suburban districts can weather the storm it is the small and mid size schools that will be most effected. Just look at the size of rosters in football rich northern part of Ohio and you will see what I mean. Again the big suburban schools will not see much of a change, it is the smaller and mid size schools midsize schools. While my high school coaching days are over, my old coaching friends tell me there is a huge drop in kids under 12 playing and all of these news stories along with growing sports like soccer and lacrosse, which in many instances are cheaper to play do have an impact.
https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/colleg...

Last Edited: 7/31/2017 10:38:46 PM by cbus cat fan

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 7/31/2017 8:41:50 PM

Book it, football's days are numbered. It won't be today, and it won't be tomorrow, but it will happen someday. I'm guessing in the next 25 years or so.

Don't get me wrong as I love football; it's by far my favorite sport. But I'm a dinosaur. I just hope the Browns can win a Super Bowl by then. Seriously......

Here's an idea-maybe we can have robots play the game!

Last Edited: 7/31/2017 8:43:59 PM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 7/31/2017 10:19:56 PM

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 7/31/2017 10:30:51 PM

Jeff, it won't happen for a long time but either they will become soccer stadiums or relics to a bygone era, much like the Roman coliseum or other similar type structures found in the ancient world; Italy, Greece, North Africa etc. I won't be around to see it, but it makes me sad to ponder what could happen. Honestly college football and college basketball are my two favorite sports, but while college and NFL football are huge now, there are too many underlying factors pushing against them.

Think about it; the tougher the sport, the more they seem to slip and fade away as our culture becomes too refined or "soft" depending upon your view. There was a time when boxers came from every social strata and ethnicity; not so anymore. Football seems destined to follow suit.

Last Edited: 7/31/2017 10:33:44 PM by cbus cat fan

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 2:40:32 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Robo sports!

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 7:06:37 AM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

The sports radio stations out here spent a lot of time discussing the New York Times article,including having experts in the field discuss the study the NYT referenced.

They said that the study couldn't be used to objectively determine the frequency of CTE among NFL players,because all of the NFL players' brains were from people who showed signs of CTE.

They said the only way to determine just how prevalent CTE was in the NFL would be to examine all of the brains of NFL players,within a set time period.
This is something they said would never happen.

The experts said that there is no question,repeated concussions can cause brain injury.
They also said the effects may be increased,by the use of PED's,including HGH.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 9:17:49 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Soccer. Lacrosse. Etc. Sports with less CTE issues.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 12:00:22 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

The ones in prime real estate areas will be torn down and replaced with housing or office parks. The rest will become drone racing arenas.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 1:04:25 PM

Sports are a big business and getting bigger every day. I've read recently that with all the "unplugging" from cable, companies like Apple and Amazon are looking to jump into the sports market for their devices, as delivery syytems are currently in flux. That will likely drive up the bidding and hence, the salaries. There may be some kids and parents who think the big payday is worth the potential injuries. But, kids from more affluent families and ex-players that made their money and lived the nightmare will persuade their kids to do something else.

The part of the study that got my attention was that the big hits and concussions may not be the culprit. It's the persistent blows you take over a long period of time that does it.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 1:12:38 PM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Robo sports!

I thought of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCPrBFokTLo

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 3:37:58 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Soccer. Lacrosse. Etc. Sports with less CTE issues.

For your further consideration:

http://tinyurl.com/yctvg8r4

Despite all the disclaimers at the end of this story, it appears that soccer has it's own CTE issues that might be greater than first thought. Maybe those stadiums could be used for intercollegiate tiddlywinks games. It can cause degeneration of finger joints but there has yet to be study that shows any possible CTE issues. However, more research is needed. ;-)

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 4:14:22 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Soccer. Lacrosse. Etc. Sports with less CTE issues.

No surprise re concussions among soccer players. While youths are generally taught how to head the ball, many do it improperly. And head-to-head collisions are common.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:11:54 PM

C Money wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Robo sports!

I thought of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCPrBFokTLo

lol that's funny!! That reminds me of one of the Star Wars movies, I think the second, where someone walks into a bar and they have robot football playing.

I was thinking this: https://youtu.be/j12HgPRJgnY

Or this on a much bigger scale: https://youtu.be/2ixB9k6aijw

Edit: found the Star Wars scene, shows up at the 25 second mark. https://youtu.be/oKxN3EXAkvI

Last Edited: 8/1/2017 5:14:37 PM by TheBobcatBandit

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/1/2017 8:16:11 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

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Bingo! Many of these older players took straight up cow HGH and other known drugs that had psychological effects. The newer stuff still has serious side effects. Problem is until the NFL, NFLPA or NCAA admit that the drug use has been occurring no study can be complete.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/2/2017 6:29:41 AM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Robo sports!

Apparently, The Jetsons were way ahead of their time.

On that show,football was played by robots.

Wish I could find a clip.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/2/2017 8:21:37 AM

I hope football doesn't end, because if it did, then I would miss the twice a year threads on BA from all the hoops zealots about how we should drop it as a sport to throw in 100% behind BB and change conferences.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/2/2017 9:58:56 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Robo sports!

Apparently, The Jetsons were way ahead of their time.

On that show,football was played by robots.

Wish I could find a clip.

For a buck ninety-nine, it's yours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DZocV3sni4

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/2/2017 10:57:31 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If football fades away, what will.happen to all the stadiums and other facilities?

Soccer. Lacrosse. Etc. Sports with less CTE issues.

Interesting that soccer is in there.

http://www.newsleader.com/story/sports/2015/06/25/concuss... /

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/2/2017 1:01:31 PM

Soccer can easily limit its CTE issues by banning headers outside the box. And, if they really needed to, they could ban it totally and survive easily. (Headers are currently banned for under 11 US soccer programs.)

Football could really be in trouble. My nephew's junior high school dropped football. Just offer flag football now. Town of 40,000+ in New England. This could happen more quickly than we think.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/2/2017 10:44:59 PM

A rule for intercollegiate robot football should be that the robot football players must be built by students on campus. Most MAC schools don't have reputable engineering schools, even if they have them at all, so OHIO would make out real well. OHIO would MACC almost ever year! Monroe would be proud.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/20/2017 2:34:54 PM

This morning,The Sports Edge on WFAN had on an author who investigated the issue of the long term effect (neurodegenerative disorder) on high school athletes.

According to the author,a number of studies including, one in 2016 by the MAYO Clinic,show no difference in long term mental effects between football players and non-athletes.

This would reinforce the position of a number of experts that other factors like steroids and HGH, not head trauma alone are what contribute to CTE.

One thing the author pointed out was number of women's soccer players,at all levels, who suffer concussions.
He didn't say whether the cause was anatomical or technique.

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/20/2017 3:23:19 PM

Maybe in Atlanta.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/naacp-calls-for-total-... /

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RE: Could Football Ever End?

Posted: 8/20/2017 11:20:05 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Maybe in Atlanta.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/naacp-calls-for-total-... /

After reading the linked article, it seems to have nothing to do with the end of football for safety (or any other) reasons. The football boycott discussed (NFL-only, from the context) is directed towards getting Kapernick on a team, not ending football for CTE or other safety-related reasons.

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