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Cats2014
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 7:57:07 AM 
It continues to boggle my mind that there is not more reporting by student reporters during pre-season. What a great opportunity for kids to learn their craft. Am I wrong on this? Doesn't Ohio U pride itself in the Scripps School of Journalism? I understand that the local professional newspaper reporters might not have sufficient time or resources, but holy smokes, you would think this would be a great situation to be in if you were a student in journalism. And doesn't OU have a masters program in sports administration? It just seems like there could be a short report every day, maybe an interview. An opportunity for a student reporter to polish his/her resume. It would be fun to learn more about the players, their backgrounds, etc. I mean holy crap, someone is missing this.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 8:21:06 AM 
You do realize that school is out. Most kids - including a vast majority of Posties - go home and work summer jobs/internships. Reporting will pick up this week, I am sure.
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 10:32:42 AM 
Cats2014 wrote:
It continues to boggle my mind that there is not more reporting by student reporters during pre-season. What a great opportunity for kids to learn their craft. Am I wrong on this? Doesn't Ohio U pride itself in the Scripps School of Journalism? I understand that the local professional newspaper reporters might not have sufficient time or resources, but holy smokes, you would think this would be a great situation to be in if you were a student in journalism. And doesn't OU have a masters program in sports administration? It just seems like there could be a short report every day, maybe an interview. An opportunity for a student reporter to polish his/her resume. It would be fun to learn more about the players, their backgrounds, etc. I mean holy crap, someone is missing this.


I think this also goes back a little to the university. In this day, schools don't necessarily rely on newspapers or TV stations to provide coverage .... they do it themselves.

Bobcat TV does almost the bare minimum when it comes to coverage. A few practice reports here and there ... but nothing consistent.

The Bobcat TV folks are full-time university employees ... why they aren't "required" to turn out something from each practice where Solich and/or players are available to speak is baffling to me?

Again, I'll beat the "we miss Evan Shaw" drum ... he is sorely missed. Not just his quality of work, but his passion for it.

There's no reason why the athletic department can't put together reports or stories on players, etc. I'm not saying they need to break down the depth chart....that's not their role. But a feature on who the hell is Nathan Rourke isn't asking for much? Maybe a look at AJ Ouelette's rehab? Quentin Poling's quest for MAC Defensive POY? The possibilities are endless.

I just saw on Twitter yesterday Ohio State produced a short video about Mike Weber's rehab. I DESPISE O$U, but they do a good job of internally promoting their teams even though they get ridiculous amounts of coverage from local and national media.

Ohio just, again, seems happy with the status quo.
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L.C.
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 10:42:51 AM 
They have done some great things in the past. "Relentless" was truly a great example of exactly what you are talking about, while it lasted.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 10:44:26 AM 
SBH wrote:
You do realize that school is out. Most kids - including a vast majority of Posties - go home and work summer jobs/internships. Reporting will pick up this week, I am sure.



Get some of these Bobcats internships covering the football program!

Bang!

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 11:05:39 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
Cats2014 wrote:
It continues to boggle my mind that there is not more reporting by student reporters during pre-season. What a great opportunity for kids to learn their craft. Am I wrong on this? Doesn't Ohio U pride itself in the Scripps School of Journalism? I understand that the local professional newspaper reporters might not have sufficient time or resources, but holy smokes, you would think this would be a great situation to be in if you were a student in journalism. And doesn't OU have a masters program in sports administration? It just seems like there could be a short report every day, maybe an interview. An opportunity for a student reporter to polish his/her resume. It would be fun to learn more about the players, their backgrounds, etc. I mean holy crap, someone is missing this.


I think this also goes back a little to the university. In this day, schools don't necessarily rely on newspapers or TV stations to provide coverage .... they do it themselves.

Bobcat TV does almost the bare minimum when it comes to coverage. A few practice reports here and there ... but nothing consistent.

The Bobcat TV folks are full-time university employees ... why they aren't "required" to turn out something from each practice where Solich and/or players are available to speak is baffling to me?

Again, I'll beat the "we miss Evan Shaw" drum ... he is sorely missed. Not just his quality of work, but his passion for it.

There's no reason why the athletic department can't put together reports or stories on players, etc. I'm not saying they need to break down the depth chart....that's not their role. But a feature on who the hell is Nathan Rourke isn't asking for much? Maybe a look at AJ Ouelette's rehab? Quentin Poling's quest for MAC Defensive POY? The possibilities are endless.

I just saw on Twitter yesterday Ohio State produced a short video about Mike Weber's rehab. I DESPISE O$U, but they do a good job of internally promoting their teams even though they get ridiculous amounts of coverage from local and national media.

Ohio just, again, seems happy with the status quo.


Maybe you could endow a position for OHIO Athletics to provide for a full time media coordinator who could have this as their job.
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 11:05:58 AM 
SBH wrote:
You do realize that school is out. Most kids - including a vast majority of Posties - go home and work summer jobs/internships. Reporting will pick up this week, I am sure.




This!!!!!!
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 11:11:18 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Cats2014 wrote:
It continues to boggle my mind that there is not more reporting by student reporters during pre-season. What a great opportunity for kids to learn their craft. Am I wrong on this? Doesn't Ohio U pride itself in the Scripps School of Journalism? I understand that the local professional newspaper reporters might not have sufficient time or resources, but holy smokes, you would think this would be a great situation to be in if you were a student in journalism. And doesn't OU have a masters program in sports administration? It just seems like there could be a short report every day, maybe an interview. An opportunity for a student reporter to polish his/her resume. It would be fun to learn more about the players, their backgrounds, etc. I mean holy crap, someone is missing this.


I think this also goes back a little to the university. In this day, schools don't necessarily rely on newspapers or TV stations to provide coverage .... they do it themselves.

Bobcat TV does almost the bare minimum when it comes to coverage. A few practice reports here and there ... but nothing consistent.

The Bobcat TV folks are full-time university employees ... why they aren't "required" to turn out something from each practice where Solich and/or players are available to speak is baffling to me?

Again, I'll beat the "we miss Evan Shaw" drum ... he is sorely missed. Not just his quality of work, but his passion for it.

There's no reason why the athletic department can't put together reports or stories on players, etc. I'm not saying they need to break down the depth chart....that's not their role. But a feature on who the hell is Nathan Rourke isn't asking for much? Maybe a look at AJ Ouelette's rehab? Quentin Poling's quest for MAC Defensive POY? The possibilities are endless.

I just saw on Twitter yesterday Ohio State produced a short video about Mike Weber's rehab. I DESPISE O$U, but they do a good job of internally promoting their teams even though they get ridiculous amounts of coverage from local and national media.

Ohio just, again, seems happy with the status quo.


Maybe you could endow a position for OHIO Athletics to provide for a full time media coordinator who could have this as their job.


There are already two people that have this full-time job.

http://ohiobobcats.com/information/directory/home

And that doesn't include Russ Eisenstein, who is director of broadcasting.

According to the directory, it appears one of those staff jobs is open (but I'm not sure how 100% accurate the website is)

Either way, this has been a staffed position for years

And as LC pointed out, "Relentless" was a show that was produced by them when Evan Shaw was in that spot. As was the basketball behind-the-scenes show during hoop season. Those shows were invaluable for the university in terms of marketing, visibility, fan connection to the teams, etc. Why they stopped is beyond me (probably because they were passion projects for Evan and his love for the school showed)

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 11:41:11 AM 
SBH wrote:
You do realize that school is out. Most kids - including a vast majority of Posties - go home and work summer jobs/internships. Reporting will pick up this week, I am sure.



Do you realize that Scripps has one of the largest and most competitive programs of the entire university? Why wouldn't the football program offer an internship to have more community outreach? There's no excuse for the lack of coverage. I'm a huge college football fan in general, and when you can read and keep updated all about the New Mexico Lobos, you should have some of the same resources for Ohio football.

Side note- I keep up with New Mexico football because I love watching their triple option offense that had more flavor than Navy's traditional attack
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 11:50:53 AM 

I assume Billy the Cat's post is the reason. Lacks of funds or resources.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 12:07:02 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Cats2014 wrote:
It continues to boggle my mind that there is not more reporting by student reporters during pre-season. What a great opportunity for kids to learn their craft. Am I wrong on this? Doesn't Ohio U pride itself in the Scripps School of Journalism? I understand that the local professional newspaper reporters might not have sufficient time or resources, but holy smokes, you would think this would be a great situation to be in if you were a student in journalism. And doesn't OU have a masters program in sports administration? It just seems like there could be a short report every day, maybe an interview. An opportunity for a student reporter to polish his/her resume. It would be fun to learn more about the players, their backgrounds, etc. I mean holy crap, someone is missing this.


I think this also goes back a little to the university. In this day, schools don't necessarily rely on newspapers or TV stations to provide coverage .... they do it themselves.

Bobcat TV does almost the bare minimum when it comes to coverage. A few practice reports here and there ... but nothing consistent.

The Bobcat TV folks are full-time university employees ... why they aren't "required" to turn out something from each practice where Solich and/or players are available to speak is baffling to me?

Again, I'll beat the "we miss Evan Shaw" drum ... he is sorely missed. Not just his quality of work, but his passion for it.

There's no reason why the athletic department can't put together reports or stories on players, etc. I'm not saying they need to break down the depth chart....that's not their role. But a feature on who the hell is Nathan Rourke isn't asking for much? Maybe a look at AJ Ouelette's rehab? Quentin Poling's quest for MAC Defensive POY? The possibilities are endless.

I just saw on Twitter yesterday Ohio State produced a short video about Mike Weber's rehab. I DESPISE O$U, but they do a good job of internally promoting their teams even though they get ridiculous amounts of coverage from local and national media.

Ohio just, again, seems happy with the status quo.


Maybe you could endow a position for OHIO Athletics to provide for a full time media coordinator who could have this as their job.


There are already two people that have this full-time job.

http://ohiobobcats.com/information/directory/home

And that doesn't include Russ Eisenstein, who is director of broadcasting.

According to the directory, it appears one of those staff jobs is open (but I'm not sure how 100% accurate the website is)

Either way, this has been a staffed position for years

And as LC pointed out, "Relentless" was a show that was produced by them when Evan Shaw was in that spot. As was the basketball behind-the-scenes show during hoop season. Those shows were invaluable for the university in terms of marketing, visibility, fan connection to the teams, etc. Why they stopped is beyond me (probably because they were passion projects for Evan and his love for the school showed)



Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 12:09:01 PM 
Or it just takes a student who is self motivated and just wants to hone their craft of sports journalism on their own time. If I remember correctly, Caleb Troop was posting some really good behind the scenes stories before he even officially started his first day of class at OHIO.
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 12:42:12 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 12:57:19 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Well, what if there's no student interest in doing those jobs? You say, "if you don't like it, find a different job." And it sounds like that's EXACTLY what students are doing. You're ranting about these students that need to suck it up because that's the industry, but clearly the students are picking other options. Who are you really mad at here?

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 1:03:07 PM 
We have, without question, the best MAC reporter in Jason Arkley. Costs just $6.75/month to subscribe to the Messenger. Quality coverage/content costs money.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 1:26:52 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Really well said BSHOT44!! I agree wholeheartedly. And also very well said in CARNAC'S post. "A student who is self motivated..." That's what it was like when many of us were students. Now, some people on this board are asking for "endowed positions?" Gimme A BREAK. Entitlement community. I agree with you, there must be 1 motivated kid in all of Scripps that can take this on. Someone who doesn't need an "endowed position" to show up a month early for school and make a name for himself. Show up at practice on behalf of Scripps and get daily interviews. And for those of you who say it costs money for journalism and that we should pay for and read Arkley...... OK, fine, I'll accept that, but CAN WE ALSO get some additional color commentary? Can we get some added flavor here? It's boring until you learn about coaches lives, players lives, trainers lives... Once you get some insight, you wanna watch and attend.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 2:00:25 PM 
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Well, what if there's no student interest in doing those jobs? You say, "if you don't like it, find a different job." And it sounds like that's EXACTLY what students are doing. You're ranting about these students that need to suck it up because that's the industry, but clearly the students are picking other options. Who are you really mad at here?


These aren't student jobs. They are full-time jobs within the athletic dept.

Assistant Athletic Director for Video Productions
Director of Video Services

And yes...these, like almost any job within the athletic dept of a smaller school like Ohio, it will have less-than-ideal pay. And like ANY job in ANY athletic dept it will have bad hours.

That's what I was referring to. If you had the interest to apply and accept the role ... then do the role. If you complain about the pay & hours....then working in an athletic dept just isn't for you.

BREAKING NEWS: Hours and pay suck in the world of sports unless you play at the highest level. You might get paid well there, but your hours still suck. This is something I hear more and more from millennial crowd ... they want that 9-5, M-F job. It does NOT exist in sports. Sorry. Hate to burst bubbles.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 2:05:19 PM 
Cats2014 wrote:
"A student who is self motivated..." That's what it was like when many of us were students. Now, some people on this board are asking for "endowed positions?" Gimme A BREAK. Entitlement community. I agree with you, there must be 1 motivated kid in all of Scripps that can take this on. Someone who doesn't need an "endowed position" to show up a month early for school and make a name for himself. Show up at practice on behalf of Scripps and get daily interviews.


Again, broad strokes being applied here. Show me how disinterest in what you are proposing equates to laziness? Because you are inferring that students aren't doing this because they aren't "self-motivated"

Scripps students aren't leaving an internship at a reputable publication early to come to Athens and write about training camp.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 2:26:30 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Well, what if there's no student interest in doing those jobs? You say, "if you don't like it, find a different job." And it sounds like that's EXACTLY what students are doing. You're ranting about these students that need to suck it up because that's the industry, but clearly the students are picking other options. Who are you really mad at here?


These aren't student jobs. They are full-time jobs within the athletic dept.

Assistant Athletic Director for Video Productions
Director of Video Services

And yes...these, like almost any job within the athletic dept of a smaller school like Ohio, it will have less-than-ideal pay. And like ANY job in ANY athletic dept it will have bad hours.

That's what I was referring to. If you had the interest to apply and accept the role ... then do the role. If you complain about the pay & hours....then working in an athletic dept just isn't for you.

BREAKING NEWS: Hours and pay suck in the world of sports unless you play at the highest level. You might get paid well there, but your hours still suck. This is something I hear more and more from millennial crowd ... they want that 9-5, M-F job. It does NOT exist in sports. Sorry. Hate to burst bubbles.


I'm assuming you have anecdotal evidence that these positions aren't being filled by students/recent grads because of the hours and/or pay. I don't think you're really bursting anyone's bubble here. I've yet to see offense to what you've said.

I ask again, what makes anyone here think those positions are desirable to students/recent grads? I'll go a step further--what makes these positions desirable to students/recent grads from any institution who are skilled in that field? What makes this opportunity different from a slightly better paying position, or a position closer to home/larger metropolitan area?

What makes OHIO stand out?

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 2:28:45 PM 
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Well, what if there's no student interest in doing those jobs? You say, "if you don't like it, find a different job." And it sounds like that's EXACTLY what students are doing. You're ranting about these students that need to suck it up because that's the industry, but clearly the students are picking other options. Who are you really mad at here?


These aren't student jobs. They are full-time jobs within the athletic dept.

Assistant Athletic Director for Video Productions
Director of Video Services

And yes...these, like almost any job within the athletic dept of a smaller school like Ohio, it will have less-than-ideal pay. And like ANY job in ANY athletic dept it will have bad hours.

That's what I was referring to. If you had the interest to apply and accept the role ... then do the role. If you complain about the pay & hours....then working in an athletic dept just isn't for you.

BREAKING NEWS: Hours and pay suck in the world of sports unless you play at the highest level. You might get paid well there, but your hours still suck. This is something I hear more and more from millennial crowd ... they want that 9-5, M-F job. It does NOT exist in sports. Sorry. Hate to burst bubbles.


I'm assuming you have anecdotal evidence that these positions aren't being filled by students/recent grads because of the hours and/or pay. I don't think you're really bursting anyone's bubble here. I've yet to see offense to what you've said.

I ask again, what makes anyone here think those positions are desirable to students/recent grads? I'll go a step further--what makes these positions desirable to students/recent grads from any institution who are skilled in that field? What makes this opportunity different from a slightly better paying position, or a position closer to home/larger metropolitan area?

What makes OHIO stand out?


+1, obviously not a job in high demand as we've failed to hold on to and at times struggled to find people to fill the job. Maybe if we want quality work we should pay more and increase the staff....Oh wait, that requires money we do not have.
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There is one thing we can all be certain of. If the attitude is "It can't be done", then it won't be done.

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SBH wrote:
We have, without question, the best MAC reporter in Jason Arkley. Costs just $6.75/month to subscribe to the Messenger. Quality coverage/content costs money.



This is a good point. Another option is to follow Jason, and also Russ on Twitter. Between the two, they cover quite a bit.
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 3:35:46 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Well, what if there's no student interest in doing those jobs? You say, "if you don't like it, find a different job." And it sounds like that's EXACTLY what students are doing. You're ranting about these students that need to suck it up because that's the industry, but clearly the students are picking other options. Who are you really mad at here?


These aren't student jobs. They are full-time jobs within the athletic dept.

Assistant Athletic Director for Video Productions
Director of Video Services

And yes...these, like almost any job within the athletic dept of a smaller school like Ohio, it will have less-than-ideal pay. And like ANY job in ANY athletic dept it will have bad hours.

That's what I was referring to. If you had the interest to apply and accept the role ... then do the role. If you complain about the pay & hours....then working in an athletic dept just isn't for you.

BREAKING NEWS: Hours and pay suck in the world of sports unless you play at the highest level. You might get paid well there, but your hours still suck. This is something I hear more and more from millennial crowd ... they want that 9-5, M-F job. It does NOT exist in sports. Sorry. Hate to burst bubbles.


I'm assuming you have anecdotal evidence that these positions aren't being filled by students/recent grads because of the hours and/or pay. I don't think you're really bursting anyone's bubble here. I've yet to see offense to what you've said.

I ask again, what makes anyone here think those positions are desirable to students/recent grads? I'll go a step further--what makes these positions desirable to students/recent grads from any institution who are skilled in that field? What makes this opportunity different from a slightly better paying position, or a position closer to home/larger metropolitan area?

What makes OHIO stand out?


+1, obviously not a job in high demand as we've failed to hold on to and at times struggled to find people to fill the job. Maybe if we want quality work we should pay more and increase the staff....Oh wait, that requires money we do not have.


Or maybe just accept that the job is a stepping stone and hire accordingly. Market it as a chance to work at a quality mid-major and get real hands-on experience and have the ability to do some really cool, impactful work .... and grow into a better paying job at a higher pay somewhere else.

It's this millennial attitude of gimmie, gimmie, gimmie...i'm entitled more money and better hours!

Good grief!

There are a lot of talented people out there... and ones that have come thru that job that have done quality work.

I'm not saying hire someone that will work for $22k for the rest of their life ...

Goodness. My first job out of Ohio University was for $13k in 1998. I worked my ass off and moved on.

I didn't sit around with my arms crossed demanding I get paid $80k just because.
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   Posted: 8/22/2017 4:12:02 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat110alum wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Yeah, and the shear volume of work and ridiculously low pay for the hours required is exactly why Evan left the Athletics Department, and the person after him, and the person after him. When they do that much coverage for one sport, all the others want equal time, and that just ran folks off. Like I suggested earlier, feel free to donate the money to endow that staff position, and I'm sure the department will get right on then with putting those shows out again. But without that money and staffing, you are going to get what you get. Those people are already working 10+hour days right now, adding the TV shows and videos daily would double that.


It doesn't take much manpower/post-production to put up some interviews after practice.

I'm not saying produce a 30-minute TV show for every sport....but I think going from that to almost nothing is a drastic dropoff.

Yeah...the pay sucks. Yeah... the hours suck.

Suck it up millennials. That's life in that industry. Working in college athletics is NOT 9-5, M-F job.

And guess what...the pay generally sucks.

If you don't like those aspects....find a different job.

But complaining because your hours suck and the pay sucks .... and using that as a reason to not work hard. Boo! Take your participation trophy and go home.

A school like Ohio has a limited budget. It isn't going to change. But you have to find creative ways to make it work. And while, yes, the turnover in that role is probably going to be crazy .... the expectation while they're in that role shouldn't be a 2 min clip of a scrimmage with a soundbite attached to it once every 4 weeks.


Well, what if there's no student interest in doing those jobs? You say, "if you don't like it, find a different job." And it sounds like that's EXACTLY what students are doing. You're ranting about these students that need to suck it up because that's the industry, but clearly the students are picking other options. Who are you really mad at here?


These aren't student jobs. They are full-time jobs within the athletic dept.

Assistant Athletic Director for Video Productions
Director of Video Services

And yes...these, like almost any job within the athletic dept of a smaller school like Ohio, it will have less-than-ideal pay. And like ANY job in ANY athletic dept it will have bad hours.

That's what I was referring to. If you had the interest to apply and accept the role ... then do the role. If you complain about the pay & hours....then working in an athletic dept just isn't for you.

BREAKING NEWS: Hours and pay suck in the world of sports unless you play at the highest level. You might get paid well there, but your hours still suck. This is something I hear more and more from millennial crowd ... they want that 9-5, M-F job. It does NOT exist in sports. Sorry. Hate to burst bubbles.


I'm assuming you have anecdotal evidence that these positions aren't being filled by students/recent grads because of the hours and/or pay. I don't think you're really bursting anyone's bubble here. I've yet to see offense to what you've said.

I ask again, what makes anyone here think those positions are desirable to students/recent grads? I'll go a step further--what makes these positions desirable to students/recent grads from any institution who are skilled in that field? What makes this opportunity different from a slightly better paying position, or a position closer to home/larger metropolitan area?

What makes OHIO stand out?


+1, obviously not a job in high demand as we've failed to hold on to and at times struggled to find people to fill the job. Maybe if we want quality work we should pay more and increase the staff....Oh wait, that requires money we do not have.


Or maybe just accept that the job is a stepping stone and hire accordingly. Market it as a chance to work at a quality mid-major and get real hands-on experience and have the ability to do some really cool, impactful work .... and grow into a better paying job at a higher pay somewhere else.

It's this millennial attitude of gimmie, gimmie, gimmie...i'm entitled more money and better hours!

Good grief!

There are a lot of talented people out there... and ones that have come thru that job that have done quality work.

I'm not saying hire someone that will work for $22k for the rest of their life ...

Goodness. My first job out of Ohio University was for $13k in 1998. I worked my ass off and moved on.

I didn't sit around with my arms crossed demanding I get paid $80k just because.


You keep making these blanket statements about millennial entitlement. Why?
It has nothing to do with entitlement. No millennial is sitting there waiting with their hand out asking for $80k a year with no experience.

EDIT: I'm sure there are plenty of people that do ask for more without doing anything, but it's certainly not limited to millennials.

Last Edited: 8/22/2017 4:13:51 PM by Bobcat110alum

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   Posted: 8/22/2017 4:22:55 PM 
Bobcat110alum wrote:

You keep making these blanket statements about millennial entitlement. Why?
It has nothing to do with entitlement. No millennial is sitting there waiting with their hand out asking for $80k a year with no experience.

EDIT: I'm sure there are plenty of people that do ask for more without doing anything, but it's certainly not limited to millennials.


It's obviously my "get off my lawn" moment. You're right....they are blanket statement and not necessarily indicative of all millennials.

But when people keep using the excuse that this job is "low pay and bad hours" .... that just sounds like an excuse to me.

Yes...the majority of jobs in sports and athletic depts at schools are low pay and bad hours. That shouldn't be the reason why Ohio can't staff competent people or why they don't bother turning out quality products?

Tom Symonds didn't make squat working at OU....now is at Miami (FL) as football SID

Tanner Smith didn't make squate working at OU ... now is working for Columbus Blue Jackets

There are a lot of other success stories of people that came into OUr athletic dept and worked hard and parlayed a better job after it.

The excuse that job doesn't pay well is just that. An excuse.
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