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Topic:  OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch

Topic:  OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/27/2017 12:29:12 PM 
With the Chargers moving to LA, SDSU's football team may be homeless in two years. They have a lease at Qualcomm through next season, but Qualcomm is now primo real estate ($13 million an acre) and plans are to tear it down for new development. They might be able to get a season at the Padres' stadium, but the Padres are convinced that they'll be playoff-bound in 2020 so they've blocked out October of that year. Their on-campus stadium, built in 1936, was torn down several years ago and there's no place on campus for a new one. USD's stadium seats only 6,000 so that's out. There's talk of them possibly sharing a new pro soccer stadium but there are logistical and financial issues. And it may take three years to buy land and build a new stadium. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/san-diego... /

Goes to show that schools need to have facilities they control.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/27/2017 8:02:26 PM 
SDSU has a ton of alumni in San Diego. If its too expensive around campus build a new football stadium in one of the larger suburbs around there looking to add tourism and entertainment dollars to the tax base. The enrollment is large enough where issuing bonds to get it complete will fly in a way it wouldn't at a MAC school.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/27/2017 10:03:19 PM 
Lets talk about the logistics of playing their games on aircraft carriers because I could definitely market that.

Last Edited: 7/27/2017 10:04:25 PM by The Optimist

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/28/2017 12:21:13 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
Lets talk about the logistics of playing their games on aircraft carriers because I could definitely market that.


I like it when you think "out of the box." Or, in this case, "out of terra firma." If they won one of these games, they could call it, "Victory at Sea"!

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/28/2017 8:46:39 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
Lets talk about the logistics of playing their games on aircraft carriers because I could definitely market that.


If we can include food trucks and local microbrews, I'm in.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/28/2017 9:15:53 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
Lets talk about the logistics of playing their games on aircraft carriers because I could definitely market that.


A $12 Billion football field...talk about an expensive stadium solution ;)
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/29/2017 11:19:14 AM 
At $13 million pet acre, even a small stadium, say 20 acres, would cost over $300 million. That's five times the cost of Infocision Stadium, which essentially bankrupted Akron. The payments on a $300 million stadium, financed for 30 years at 3% would be $15 million a year, or over $2 million per game. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense at all. I'd say, go with the 6000 seat stadium, and charge $45 a ticket plus a hefty contribution, and try something novel like simulcasting to the muni auditorium, or something, to seat another 10,000 at lower prices.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/29/2017 3:21:25 PM 
The landscape is changing. Unless you're an elite Power 5 school, there's not enough funds to build big stadiums. SDSU will have to come up with a cost effective solution.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 10:04:04 AM 
Looking on Google Earth at the SDSU campus, it looks like there would be more than enough space to build a medium (MAC-sized) stadium on the land occupied by the current baseball field (Tony Guinn Stadium) and an adjacent softball field. This would put their stadium nearby their current football practice fields, and it might be a lot less expensive to relocate their baseball and softball fields.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 12:27:12 PM 
Jeff Johnson wrote:
Looking on Google Earth at the SDSU campus, it looks like there would be more than enough space to build a medium (MAC-sized) stadium on the land occupied by the current baseball field (Tony Guinn Stadium) and an adjacent softball field. This would put their stadium nearby their current football practice fields, and it might be a lot less expensive to relocate their baseball and softball fields.


Good idea. Baseball team can sign a lease at a double AA ballpark for 5 years or indefinitely if its a solid arrangement.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 12:40:06 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
The landscape is changing. Unless you're an elite Power 5 school, there's not enough funds to build big stadiums. SDSU will have to come up with a cost effective solution.


Jeff it doesn't make sense unless there is a P5 invite in hand to make anything other than an incremental stadium improvement. Cincinnati spent 100 million expanding to 40,000 seats and no invite received. Ohio should draft plans for 50,000 seats as part of a sales pitch next time the P5 expands, large enough for the SEC.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 1:14:06 PM 
I believe Jeff is correct those days of building excess have come and gone. The Cincinnati spending spree is tolerated because their college academic rankings have been rising and they are one of the largest institutions in the nation. In almost any other state, they would be the largest public university. They reside in a fairly large media market and sooner rather than later, they will get an invite from the Big 12.

However, it is the Akron debacle that scares most administrators. We haven't even addressed the Wright State arena on this board (to the best of my recollection.) Akron and Wright State's free fall in recent college academic ratings hasn't begun to slow. As a matter of fact, our beloved alma mater, Cincy and Ohio State are the only Ohio public institutions that haven't slid in recent rankings. As much as a I am an idealist (you have to be to be a long suffering Browns fan,) the idea that we are going to get an invite to the Big 12 or ACC if we spruce up our lovable--historic Pedan Stadium just isn't feasible.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/search?school-name=O... =
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 1:15:23 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
The landscape is changing. Unless you're an elite Power 5 school, there's not enough funds to build big stadiums. SDSU will have to come up with a cost effective solution.


Jeff it doesn't make sense unless there is a P5 invite in hand to make anything other than an incremental stadium improvement. Cincinnati spent 100 million expanding to 40,000 seats and no invite received. Ohio should draft plans for 50,000 seats as part of a sales pitch next time the P5 expands, large enough for the SEC.


Looks like some good ideas are starting to take shape in San Diego:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sd-fi-sdsu-q-20170725-story...

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 3:51:00 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
The landscape is changing. Unless you're an elite Power 5 school, there's not enough funds to build big stadiums. SDSU will have to come up with a cost effective solution.


Jeff it doesn't make sense unless there is a P5 invite in hand to make anything other than an incremental stadium improvement. Cincinnati spent 100 million expanding to 40,000 seats and no invite received. Ohio should draft plans for 50,000 seats as part of a sales pitch next time the P5 expands, large enough for the SEC.


Yeah, but they may sell the facility to the professional soccer team as part of their MSL bid. On another note, The NCAA has kicked all the HS games in August (Skyline Showdown) out of Nippert and all the high school games all season off the practice facility. That's called how not to endear yourself to the community.

Last Edited: 7/30/2017 3:54:35 PM by BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 9:03:03 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Their on-campus stadium, built in 1936, was torn down several years ago and there's no place on campus for a new one.


Actually, part of the original football stadium still exists to this day. I have been to SDSU and the current basketball arena literally sits inside what was the old football stadium, which was called the Aztec Bowl - hence the name of the basketball arena being Viejas Arena at Aztec Bowl. They left part of each grandstand and the area where the field was has been turned into a parking lot. They don't let you walk on the existing parts of the grandstands but they still remain. It's sort of both cool and bizarre to see it in person. This video clip does a good job of showing what I'm trying to describe:

https://youtu.be/67hhiGO3ZP0
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   Posted: 7/30/2017 10:27:17 PM 
Ohio Bobcat Thanks for the video link. Wow, you're right both cool and bizarre. While I realize we are talking the San Diego Aztecs, it kinda of looks like some sort of Mayan ruins one would see while visiting Chichen Itza!
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/30/2017 11:35:06 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:

However, it is the Akron debacle that scares most administrators. We haven't even addressed the Wright State arena on this board (to the best of my recollection.) Akron and Wright State's free fall in recent college academic ratings hasn't begun to slow. As a matter of fact, our beloved alma mater, Cincy and Ohio State are the only Ohio public institutions that haven't slid in recent rankings. As much as a I am an idealist (you have to be to be a long suffering Browns fan,) the idea that we are going to get an invite to the Big 12 or ACC if we spruce up our lovable--historic Pedan Stadium just isn't feasible.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/search?school-name=O... =


That's why its best to wait for the invite first before expanding rather than expand hoping for an invite. There will be sprucing as part of the Peden Maintenance plan but not major additions. Stadium is rundown at the moment.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Chargers' move leaves Aztecs in the lurch
   Posted: 7/31/2017 11:35:30 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
I believe Jeff is correct those days of building excess have come and gone. The Cincinnati spending spree is tolerated because their college academic rankings have been rising and they are one of the largest institutions in the nation. In almost any other state, they would be the largest public university. They reside in a fairly large media market and sooner rather than later, they will get an invite from the Big 12.

However, it is the Akron debacle that scares most administrators. We haven't even addressed the Wright State arena on this board (to the best of my recollection.) Akron and Wright State's free fall in recent college academic ratings hasn't begun to slow. As a matter of fact, our beloved alma mater, Cincy and Ohio State are the only Ohio public institutions that haven't slid in recent rankings. As much as a I am an idealist (you have to be to be a long suffering Browns fan,) the idea that we are going to get an invite to the Big 12 or ACC if we spruce up our lovable--historic Pedan Stadium just isn't feasible.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/search?school-name=O... =


I wouldn't give UC all that much credit academically. They've become marginally selective which boosted their USNWR ranking up to rough parity with Ohio. We'll see where it goes from here. The higher one goes up on the food chain, the harder it gets. Are they going to start luring 30+ ACT students away from OSU and Miami? I doubt it. From out of state? I doubt it. Are they going to lure kids from Columbus and Cleveland away from Ohio. I doubt that too. They're still largely a regional commuter school.

As for other academic metrics. They had a bit of a head start on other Ohio publics in developing doctoral and research programs due to their being a metro university until the 70s, but the rankings of those programs are much more similar to Ohio and other Ohio MAC schools than to OSU. The Cincinnati community did build up a decent medical school when they had control of the university but let the rest of the university languish in mediocrity.

We'll see what comes of the athletic spending. They had something of a con artist President who made a lot of big promises (co-flagship status with OSU, AAU membership, Comprehensive Cancer Center and B12 invite), and when none of it came true, he bolted for the first job that came along after only three years despite repeatedly promising to stay for 10. As Boren said, they didn't move the needle for the B12 a year ago, and I don't see what's going to change in the future.

Last Edited: 7/31/2017 11:47:09 AM by OUPride
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