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Danny's Knee
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The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/30/2017 10:40:29 PM

Quentin Maxwell ?

Nathan Rourke ?

.. how we lookin' ?

Bang !! .. Oh baby what a big time year !!

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/30/2017 11:36:04 PM

Can fall camp roster answer any questions?

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 12:01:12 AM

During MAC media days Frank was on ESPN 850 Cleveland and referenced both Maxwell and Rourke. More on Maxwell as the overall QB, more on Rourke as a running option.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 9:48:24 AM

ohio9704 wrote:

During MAC media days Frank was on ESPN 850 Cleveland and referenced both Maxwell and Rourke. More on Maxwell as the overall QB, more on Rourke as a running option.

This sucks if this is accurate! How are we always considered at the top of the East or near the top yet we have not had a number 1 quarterback since Tettleton? We have gone through this since T2 left where coach Solich talks about the "leader in the clubhouse" but he always says another guy is our "running QB." Just settle on one guy and let him do this thing. Vick vs. Sprague vs. Windham vs. Maxwell. It's driving me crazy to think we are so good yet so inept at finding a top No. 1 guy.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 11:20:26 AM

I think Maxwell has the experience and therefore has the edge at this time. Rourke has not played at this level before. That doesn't mean he can't be successful but I think the staff will start Maxwell and see how Rourke progresses.
I think both play in the opener. Since Purdue and Kansas are viewed as winnable I think Maxwell will get the bulk of the early season work.
Frank said Maxwell is up to 235 lbs. and at 6'3" he is a load. Great arm, lets hope accuracy is better after the off season.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 12:42:02 PM

It's one of the great mysteries of our time: why can't we attract a top-caliber QB with our established brain trust of Tim Albin and Scott Ipshording?

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 12:57:45 PM

Recruiting of QBs has definitely improved dramatically the last couple years. QB ceases to be a position of concern to me, as the future looks exceptionally bright. Instead of trying to find as adequate QB from a group of possibilities, I think from here out we start looking for the best of a group of very good players. There are other positions that concern me much more.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 12:59:08 PM

SBH wrote:

It's one of the great mysteries of our time: why can't we attract a top-caliber QB with our established brain trust of Tim Albin and Scott Ipshording?

Maybe we just need to start realizing that this who Ohio is. Out of how many years in the Solich regime has Ohio had a true #1?

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 2:03:35 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

I saw Maxwell & Rourke doing agility work in an empty Peden at about 10 AM a few Saturdays ago. I was encouraged to see the two of them working out together completely by themselves. Maxwell is indeed a very strong looking QB. I expect him to be tough to bring down.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 2:59:41 PM

L.C.: You see our QB recruiting on the upswing? Please provide more info. compared to past QB classes.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 4:15:34 PM

+1 on that LC. Two guys that were not recruited by anyone else. I know that isn't the bottom line but how are we getting better by grabbing guys that no one else offered ?

Last Edited: 7/31/2017 4:18:36 PM by ytownbobcat

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 9:07:28 PM

Maxwell has made strides from lady year and has improved, and Rourke continues to look better and better as he learns the offense. Ohio is in very solid shape at QB. Remember, this is the same team that was about 30 yards away from wining the MAC Championship against an undefeated and ranked team last year with a QB who was third on the depth chart prior to fall camp. It's no secret what Ohio's bread and butter is: good defense, solid running game, strong kicking and steady QB play. Mixing in both to give teams a different look and something else to gameplan for has been part of Solich's scheme for years now. Ohio will be more than okay at the QB position.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 10:47:47 PM

ohio9704 wrote:

During MAC media days Frank was on ESPN 850 Cleveland and referenced both Maxwell and Rourke. More on Maxwell as the overall QB, more on Rourke as a running option.

Once Maxwell throws a few INTs vs. Purdue it will be Rourke I guess.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 7/31/2017 11:48:27 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

This.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 8:38:37 AM

It's gonna be Maxwell, and if it isn't, Isphording needs to go. This is his guy.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 8:45:25 AM

I saw the kid from woub tweeted Rourke was pretty impressive yesterday. I have no clue what that means or what he knows about the QB position but I am desperate for content.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 9:46:59 AM

Valley Cat wrote:

I saw the kid from woub tweeted Rourke was pretty impressive yesterday. I have no clue what that means or what he knows about the QB position but I am desperate for content.

Maxwell looks like quite the physical specimen in this interview. If he can be a little more accurat, we can have a pretty good one.
http://ohiobobcats.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/2017...

Last Edited: 8/1/2017 12:58:14 PM by allen

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 12:37:14 PM

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L.C.: You see our QB recruiting on the upswing? Please provide more info. compared to past QB classes.

I could give you reasons why I think that Maxwell, Rourke, Keszei, and Mischler are better than the quarterbacks that Gdowski recruited, but it wouldn't matter. The proof is in the performance, and we'll have to see how they look on the field. In any case, here's a list of QB recruits which I think is more or less accurate:
Gdowski recruits:
2005 Jones, Febus, Bower (transfer)
2006 Sweeney, Schlicter (walkon)
2007 T3 (Juco)
2008 Jackson (Juco)
2009 Bates (xfer), Tettleton,
2010 Snyder
2011 Vick, Bell
2012 Windham, Sprague (walkon)
2013 none
2014 Duckworth, Leffingwell (walkon)

Isphording recruits:
2015 Maxwell
2016 none
2017 Keszei, Rourke (juco)
2018 Mischler (verbal)

For, more data for your consideration, here are the QB Pass Efficiency ratings for the above, ranked from lowest to highest:
Sweeney, Schlicter, Bell, Leffingwell, Duckworth no stats
Febus 2006 36.1; 2007 71 Career=50.0
Snyder 2011 77.4
Jones 2005 64.9; 2008 104.7, 2009 0; Career=82.7
Sprague 2013 170.1; 2014 99.9; 2015 136.6; Career=114.3
Windham 2014 129.9; 2015 98.3; 2016 118.0; Career= 116.2
Bower 2004 (Illinois) 119.5; 2006 91.8; 2007 125.7 career=117.7
T3 2007 124.7; 2008 111.5; 2009 128.5 Career=126.1
Maxwell 2016 131.8
Vick 2012 170.4; 2013 101.3; 2014 130.9; 2015 133.4; Career=131.9
Jackson 2008 137.8; 2009 122.0; 2010 136.2; Career=136.3
Tettleton 2009 68.5; 2011 148.9; 2012 141.2; 2013 138.7; Career=141.7
Bates 2010 92.4, 2011 450.6; Career=156.4

Some of the numbers above are fore a very low number of attempts, and are not particularly meaningful. I trust that most fans know which players were the primary QBs in which years. The median for Gdowski QBs lies between Brandon Jones and JD Sprague.

Last Edited: 8/1/2017 1:48:25 PM by L.C.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 2:29:10 PM

I know there aren't a bunch of Isphording fans on here....but if these last 3 QBs stay healthy it may make him a few fans.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 10:15:23 PM

Here's more raw data, the passing stats of recent Ohio Quarterbacks in the first year where they played enough to attempt 70 passes. The final number on the line, in the brackets, is their career pass efficiency:
2004 Everson (Soph) 37-83, 588 yards, 4 td, 5 int, Efficiency 107.9 [101.2]
2006 Bower (Jr) 41-72, 426 yards, 1 TD, 7 Int, Efficiency 91.8 [117.7]
2007 Scott (Soph) 63-109, 743 yards, 5 TD, 3 Int, Efficiency 124.7 [126.1]
2008 Jackson (Jr) 185-306, 2355 yards, 19 TD, 12 Int, Efficiency 137.8 [136.3]
2011 Tettleton (Soph) 265-413, 3306 yards, 28 TD, 10 Int, Efficiency 148.9 [141.7]
2014 Vick (Jr) 94-160, 1156 yards, 8 TD, 4 Int, Efficiency 130.9 [131.9]
2014 Sprague (Soph) 98-202, 1236 yards, 3 TD, 5 Int, Efficiency 99.9 [114.3]
2016 Windham (Sr) 161-297, 1895 yards, 14 TD, 8 Int, Efficiency 118.0 [116.2]
2016 Maxwell (Fr) 90-162, 1252 yards, 8 TD, 4 Int, Efficiency 131.8

Note 1: I do notice that Maxwell is the first Freshman who played enough to attempt that many passes.
Note 2: Among these QBs, only Sprague and Bower had career numbers much above their first year. That bodes poorly for Maxwell improving to be an all-MAC QB.
Note 3: On the flip side, most QBs have improved steadily under Isphording, so there is hope. Here are the pass efficiency numbers for recent QBs:
Vick
2012 170.4 (30 attempts, mostly against Norfolk St)
2013 101.3
2014 130.9
2015 133.4

Sprague
2014 99.9
2015 136.6

Windham
2014 129.9 (only 13 attempts)
2015 98.3
2016 118.0

Maxwell
2016 131.8
2017 ????

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 10:37:09 PM

You can't win at any level without a QB. You need to go after QB's from big time Ohio D1 programs. You won't get them all, but you've got to get one or two here or there. Big time programs produce big time players. I'm sure OU recruiters are doing all they can, but we've got to land more of these kids. Brett Keane from St Ed's was a kid OU offered, but he decided to go back to South Florida after winning the D1 State title. Too bad. He would have been a great fit here. D1 kids need to realize OU is a great place to land and play. Too often they end up on the bench at some of the Big 5 Conference schools when they could have outstanding careers here. We've got to find a way to change that. I'm not saying I know how, but I'd love to see some of these D1 QB's at OU.

Last Edited: 8/3/2017 9:13:33 PM by Sean Gallagher

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 11:24:53 PM

Sean Gallagher wrote:

You can't win at any level without a QB. You need to go after QB's from big time Ohio D1 programs. You won't get them all, but you've got to get one or two here or there. Big time programs produce big time players. I'm sure OU recruiters are doing all they can, but we've got to land more of these kids. Kevin Burke from St Ed's was a kid OU offered, but he decided to go back to South Florida after winning the D1 State title. Too bad. He would have been a great fit here. D1 kids need to realize OU is a great place to land and play. Too often they end up on the bench at some of the Big 5 Conference schools when they could have outstanding careers here. We've got to find a way to change that. I'm not saying I know how, but I'd love to see some of these D1 QB's at OU.

I was wondering the same earlier, how OU hasn't landed an in-state kid who has a ton of mobility. If people believe in Isohording as much as they do, shouldn't he be able to take a kid with raw talent and polish that talent into a more complete QB? Ohio is a talent rich state with a ton of great football players. It's crazy to think there isn't at least a few kids who could come here and shred some MAC schools. I'm fine with the QB's we have now, but in the future I would love to see some in-state guys stay home and suit up on Saturday's for the Cats

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/1/2017 11:29:04 PM

I think Maxwell will end up having a decent year but he was so erratic and his throws were without touch. Hopefully he can get that down because he is big and has a cannon. I think Ball is going to amaze and Cope being healthy gives a great target and of course Papi is a highlight reel. Toss in A.J. and Brown together as a 1-2 punch and the offense should be exciting.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/2/2017 12:01:30 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

My personal opinion is that Maxwell has the size and raw potential you want, plus he has a ton of heart, and he's an extremely hard worker. I believe that his Freshman year was better than any recent QB's, and he'll improve from there, and that in close games he'll find ways to win. That still may not be enough for him to hang onto the job, because I believe Rourke is going to develop into something outstanding, and Keszei may be special as well, but I think as a true Freshman he'll benefit from a redshirt year.

As for why Ohio can't get any QBs from Ohio, on that I don't know. They have gotten a few as walkons, but no scholarship players at all since Febus.

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RE: The hunt for a bobcat QB ?

Posted: 8/2/2017 12:18:45 PM

Gotta shake that "run first" reputation that has developed through the years. Whoever UTM doesn't make the better QBs sit up and take notice.

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