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TWT
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  Message Not Read  What can best help Ohio Football compete nationally?
   Posted: 5/22/2017 1:11:22 AM 

What can best help Ohio Football compete nationally?
 
 
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At times it seems Ohio doesn't want to invest to become more prominent nationally. You can see this with a tiny videoboard, super easy non-conference schedules and insistence of sticking with Frank Solich and/or assistants without taking that conference championship step. What change would make an immediate difference for Ohio in the national rankings?

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   Posted: 5/22/2017 7:50:58 AM 
100 million dollar budget for athletics would be a good start. Otherwise you are chasing the Power 5.
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   Posted: 5/22/2017 9:03:06 AM 
ytownbobcat wrote:
100 million dollar budget for athletics would be a good start. Otherwise you are chasing the Power 5.


BINGO! Money, money, and more money, plus the right choice of a young head coach. A lot of money will be needed to keep that young successful coach and his staff at Ohio for at least 8-10 years,or else that coach will leave Ohio within 4 years for a prime P5 head coaching position just like Fleck left WMU.

And a continual infusion of $ will be needed. Is that in Ohio's DNA? Doubtful. Even when Ohio was looking into possibly expanding Peden some 15 years or so ago, it said:

"Ohio University never will boast one of the nation's largest collegiate stadiums - it simply does not fit the mission of the university."
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ytownbobcat wrote:
100 million dollar budget for athletics would be a good start. Otherwise you are chasing the Power 5.


Can't win unless you have 100 million, ask WMU, NIU and Boise State University. Ladies and gentleman, we are at our pinnacle.

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   Posted: 5/22/2017 9:29:48 AM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
100 million dollar budget for athletics would be a good start. Otherwise you are chasing the Power 5.


BINGO! Money, money, and more money, plus the right choice of a young head coach. A lot of money will be needed to keep that young successful coach and his staff at Ohio for at least 8-10 years,or else that coach will leave Ohio within 4 years for a prime P5 head coaching position just like Fleck left WMU.

And a continual infusion of $ will be needed. Is that in Ohio's DNA? Doubtful. Even when Ohio was looking into possibly expanding Peden some 15 years or so ago, it said:

"Ohio University never will boast one of the nation's largest collegiate stadiums - it simply does not fit the mission of the university."


I note that the Powerball is up to $250 million....

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   Posted: 5/22/2017 10:38:39 AM 
C Money wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
100 million dollar budget for athletics would be a good start. Otherwise you are chasing the Power 5.


BINGO! Money, money, and more money, plus the right choice of a young head coach. A lot of money will be needed to keep that young successful coach and his staff at Ohio for at least 8-10 years,or else that coach will leave Ohio within 4 years for a prime P5 head coaching position just like Fleck left WMU.

And a continual infusion of $ will be needed. Is that in Ohio's DNA? Doubtful. Even when Ohio was looking into possibly expanding Peden some 15 years or so ago, it said:

"Ohio University never will boast one of the nation's largest collegiate stadiums - it simply does not fit the mission of the university."


I note that the Powerball is up to $250 million....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ywBX1OGeE



If I won that kind of jack I would certainly give some to Ohio's first and finest.

I wonder if there are any significant structures (stadiums, arenas, training facilities etc.) that were built off of lottery winnings donated?

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   Posted: 5/22/2017 1:08:17 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
At times it seems Ohio doesn't want to invest to become more prominent nationally. You can see this with a tiny videoboard, super easy non-conference schedules and insistence of sticking with Frank Solich and/or assistants without taking that conference championship step. What change would make an immediate difference for Ohio in the national rankings?


Winning -- conference championships, bowl games, the non-conference games vs. power conferences -- will gain more national prominence.

-A video scoreboard won't do it.

-Playing a tough non-conf schedule won't do it (unless you win)

-A new head coach won't necessarily do it (Solich has had quite a bit of national coverage for the work he has done here)

To say the university doesn't want to invest in the program is a little short-sighted.



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   Posted: 5/23/2017 1:48:46 PM 
Materialistic things wont do it! I would say an athlete only dining hall or training table. We have outstanding athletes who are smart but we could do better to provide better meal options. Ive always been interested in a community garden in which students helped take care of. What do you guys think?

Last Edited: 5/23/2017 9:36:44 PM by ExCat21
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   Posted: 5/23/2017 2:44:28 PM 
Out of these options, I voted for the huge weight room. It's clearly something else though - $$$.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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   Posted: 5/23/2017 4:52:24 PM 

I voted for "something else". The program needs money to magically appear. And, Athens needs to get bigger. Its a miracle we do as well as we do with our fiscal constraints and constraints of being in a rural area.

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   Posted: 5/23/2017 6:43:21 PM 
Nationally is a pipe dream I think, but if Ohio continues to upgrade its aging facilities and add some things like a team lounge, then I think we will be successful enough (as far as recruiting goes) to consistently compete for MACC's and enjoy some quality bowl wins as well.
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   Posted: 5/23/2017 10:42:31 PM 
ExCat21 wrote:
Materialistic things wont do it! I would say an athlete only dining hall or training table. We have outstanding athletes who are smart but we could do better to provide better meal options. Ive always been interested in a community garden in which students helped take care of. What do you guys think?


That has been a contention for a long time. One of the major differences between Ohio and most bigger programs is how they feed their athletes. Meal stations at venues for athletes who miss meals on the way hustiling out of class straight to practices and return from treatment long after dining halls close. I don't think you necessarily need seperate dining areas but it would help to establish nutrition as a priority for those on campus and especially for those who live off campus after their second year. Getting home from class and back to campus for practice is something that is challenging.

Having seen what they put in their bodies and how they spend their checks it is a wonder they can perform. To those of us who ran marathons and triathlons for years it positively makes toes curl to see how bball, volley and FB players nutrify their bodies at places like Ohio and the mids.

I like the garden idea but I am not sure you could make that a cultural change that athletes would buy into...lots of general students would jump on that in my experience.

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   Posted: 5/24/2017 11:56:01 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
Materialistic things wont do it! I would say an athlete only dining hall or training table. We have outstanding athletes who are smart but we could do better to provide better meal options. Ive always been interested in a community garden in which students helped take care of. What do you guys think?


That has been a contention for a long time. One of the major differences between Ohio and most bigger programs is how they feed their athletes. Meal stations at venues for athletes who miss meals on the way hustiling out of class straight to practices and return from treatment long after dining halls close. I don't think you necessarily need seperate dining areas but it would help to establish nutrition as a priority for those on campus and especially for those who live off campus after their second year. Getting home from class and back to campus for practice is something that is challenging.

Having seen what they put in their bodies and how they spend their checks it is a wonder they can perform. To those of us who ran marathons and triathlons for years it positively makes toes curl to see how bball, volley and FB players nutrify their bodies at places like Ohio and the mids.

I like the garden idea but I am not sure you could make that a cultural change that athletes would buy into...lots of general students would jump on that in my experience.



Isn't that part of the college experience for places like Ohio though? That these kids get the chance to intermingle with the rest of the student population as if they were "one of them" too? I realize nutrition is different, but what is the value in being treated like a normal student? Do kids want that?

I feel like if you have an athlete-only dining hall you're pushing them more towards being separated from the students and treated more like commodities. Now, if there were a few places on campus that stayed open at different hours of the day (how there isn't a 24-hour dining hall in this day and age is beyond me), that's a different story.

And how do we improve the nutrition of the athletes compared to regular students? I feel like improving it for them would mean you also need to do it for everyone too. But like everything else, it all takes more money.

Last Edited: 5/24/2017 12:01:39 PM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 5/24/2017 12:41:13 PM 
All top schools have a separate training table. I have long felt that Ohio needed one, too. Nutritional needs of athletes are very different than the general population. They need far more calories, and it is more important what things they eat. I'm not saying give the athletes great nutrition, and the general population poor nutrition. I'm saying that their needs are different, so they shouldn't be eating the same things. Both should be a good diet, but what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other.

As far as separation, they don't necessarily need to be in separate places. Suppose they had a dining hall set up like a large buffet, and one section had foods that were targeted for athletes, and the rest for everyone else. Suppose further that you didn't restrict non-athletes from eating some food from the athlete section, and that the students could all sit with whomever they liked. Now there is no separation, and both people can choose what they want, but food specifically targeted for the athletes is available.

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   Posted: 5/24/2017 1:42:43 PM 
L.C. wrote:

As far as separation, they don't necessarily need to be in separate places.



Personally, I think that would create problems. Inevitably, the general students would sneer about their food choices compared to the athletes. I've heard the same story before "the football players all got T-bone steak, and all I got was a Monte Cristo sandwich" or some variation.

By the way, a "Monte Cristo" was better known as a Monte Crisco and was a Shively cafeteria staple of the mid 1980s. My arteries are still partially clogged.
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L.C. wrote:
All top schools have a separate training table. I have long felt that Ohio needed one, too. Nutritional needs of athletes are very different than the general population. They need far more calories, and it is more important what things they eat. I'm not saying give the athletes great nutrition, and the general population poor nutrition. I'm saying that their needs are different, so they shouldn't be eating the same things. Both should be a good diet, but what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other.

As far as separation, they don't necessarily need to be in separate places. Suppose they had a dining hall set up like a large buffet, and one section had foods that were targeted for athletes, and the rest for everyone else. Suppose further that you didn't restrict non-athletes from eating some food from the athlete section, and that the students could all sit with whomever they liked. Now there is no separation, and both people can choose what they want, but food specifically targeted for the athletes is available.



I highly recommend everyone find their way to the USOTC (Olympic Training Center)in Colorado Springs. Capacity is 500 athletes. Nutrition is but one of the areas they address with our athletes. A while back I was blessed to accompany, as a coach, one of mine who received an invitation to a competition held there. A real eye opener. The dining hall is simpler than you might imagine. There is always a good variety and the athletes know very well what their diet allows/requires and are expected to discipline themselves at meals.

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ExCat21 wrote:
Materialistic things wont do it! I would say an athlete only dining hall or training table. We have outstanding athletes who are smart but we could do better to provide better meal options. Ive always been interested in a community garden in which students helped take care of. What do you guys think?


A community garden where the students raise food and use labor so the football team can eat better. I'm sure the campus crowd would be happy to indulge into the sacrifice. I say you put a proposal together and get that to SAAC, the new President and even the local community. I can see it now, moving the farmers market to Tailgrate Park for fall saturdays.

I love the concept!!!!!
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   Posted: 5/25/2017 12:37:26 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Personally, I think that would create problems. Inevitably, the general students would sneer about their food choices compared to the athletes. I've heard the same story before "the football players all got T-bone steak, and all I got was a Monte Cristo sandwich" or some variation.

By the way, a "Monte Cristo" was better known as a Monte Crisco and was a Shively cafeteria staple of the mid 1980s. My arteries are still partially clogged.

Separating them would likely propagate the myth that the athletes eat steak every night. When I had the privilege of eating at the training table perhaps 20 years ago, I was surprised to learn that the core of their diet at that time was vegetables, fruit, pasta, and broiled chicken (in large quantities, of course). I'm sure it's changed some since then, and probably includes more supplements, such as protein shakes. For what it's worth, they did have hamburgers, but only the coaches were eating those.

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   Posted: 5/28/2017 6:32:40 PM 
I'm going with an annual SEC school on the schedule. I like what that Tennessee game did for Ohio with highlights throughout the season and on draft day. Tennessee, Ole Miss, Arkansas an opponent that is rated around 25-30 in the computers is good. SEC pays out more money for payday games so better financially. Good for recruiting to challenge yourself annually against the SEC. With the other ideas the payoff is debatable. There are places with really good facilities that don't win game. Training tables that I've seen are attached to the school cafeteria so it would have to be an extension of Boyd Hall or offer the athletes menu behind the counter.

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