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  Message Not Read  Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/6/2017 9:33:51 AM 
David Ridpath Professor of Sports Administration in the Business college is also head of the Drake Group and a former Wrestling coach at our beloved alma mater. He seems to have been quoted a fair amount with all the news about ESPN and the future of televised college sports. In the first linked article below, he even talks about the future of MAC sports and specifically Buffalo. I thought some of you might find it interesting reading.

http://www.ballstatedaily.com/article/2017/04/sports-opin...
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iow... /

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   Posted: 5/6/2017 2:22:00 PM 
The first article implies strongly that the financial picture is better in FCS than FBS. From what I've seen that is not true, it's worse. They seem to have slightly lower costs, but substantially lower revenues. That's why schools are leaving FCS to get into FBS if they can, and not the reverse. Idaho is going the other way, but only because they can't find an FBS conference that will take them.

The elephant in the room that they don't mention is that whenever I look at the data, I consistently find a very, very strong correlation between general endowment growth and FBS football success. A select few schools, such as Ivy League schools and U Chicago have had strong endownent growth without football, but there are very few others. It's a stupid relationship, but one that seems undeniable. In this age where people overvalue sports, they seem to donate to the schools that are successful in sports.

It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? Do you think that at, say Case Western, you find more OSU gear, or less? Do you think more of their alums give to OSU, or less?

The fact is that Ohio has had excellent endowment growth the last ten years. Has sports success contributed to that? I personally think that it has, and I suspect that the administration thinks so, too.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/6/2017 6:42:37 PM 
L.C. wrote:
. . . It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? . . .


I can give you one concrete example: John Wilmer Galbreath, Ohio Class of 1922. While he gave money to OHIO for such things as the chapel that bears his first wife's name, he gave much more to OSU, and particularly to their football program. This information was given to me years ago by someone who was "in the know" about OHIO development office history. Now, his daughter, Jody Galbreath Phillips, gave proportionately much more to OHIO, and a good deal of that was to our athletic program. She also was generous to the medical school, among other academic areas.

I personally know of another OHIO graduate, my wife's pediatrician when she was growing up in Columbus, who did the same kind of thing. The man graduated about the same time as Galbreath, got his M.D. degree from Cincinnati, but coming under the influence of the Evil Empire in Columbus, he was more generous to it than to his alma mater. This gentleman even played in the OHIO marching band. He marched next to a very famous person he once told me -- Sammy Kaye.

So, L.C., you've put your finger on a real problem. And, I think your supposition is correct that in both cases what drew them to OSU was the football program. If OHIO had had a more successful football program with at least some national recognition in those years, I think it would have made a huge difference in their giving habits. That this is silly beyond belief is not in question by me, but that it's true also seems beyond reasonable argument.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/6/2017 10:19:36 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
. . . It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? . . .


I can give you one concrete example: John Wilmer Galbreath, Ohio Class of 1922. While he gave money to OHIO for such things as the chapel that bears his first wife's name, he gave much more to OSU, and particularly to their football program. This information was given to me years ago by someone who was "in the know" about OHIO development office history. Now, his daughter, Jody Galbreath Phillips, gave proportionately much more to OHIO, and a good deal of that was to our athletic program. She also was generous to the medical school, among other academic areas.

I personally know of another OHIO graduate, my wife's pediatrician when she was growing up in Columbus, who did the same kind of thing. The man graduated about the same time as Galbreath, got his M.D. degree from Cincinnati, but coming under the influence of the Evil Empire in Columbus, he was more generous to it than to his alma mater. This gentleman even played in the OHIO marching band. He marched next to a very famous person he once told me -- Sammy Kaye.

So, L.C., you've put your finger on a real problem. And, I think your supposition is correct that in both cases what drew them to OSU was the football program. If OHIO had had a more successful football program with at least some national recognition in those years, I think it would have made a huge difference in their giving habits. That this is silly beyond belief is not in question by me, but that it's true also seems beyond reasonable argument.



Why is it silly beyond belief? In your eyes, what is reasonable rationale for giving?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/7/2017 9:04:41 AM 
It was OCF that said it was "silly beyond belief", while I just said it was "stupid", but I'll go ahead and explain my rationale for calling it stupid. At it's core, the primary mission of a University is to educate young people. The secondary mission is to do research. Winning at sports is at best an ancillary goal whose relationship to the other goals is tenuous at best.

When a person donates to the general fund of a University, they are presumably donating to further the primary goals of that University. Note that I separate out sports-related giving. Thus, if you want to give money to a new locker room for a team which you follow, that makes sense enough. That, however, wasn't my point. I said that giving the the general endowment was strongly correlated to athletic success.

To put it in another perspective, suppose the Bengals and the Browns each set up a preschool for young people in their respective communities. These might be worthy charities, that you would consider giving to. Would you give to the preschool run by the Bengals, but not to the one run by the Browns because the Bengals are more successful in football? To me, that would be stupid because that is totally related to the actual charity.

The fact that is "stupid" is probably why anti-sports people seem not to notice the relationship. I think they just assume that the relationship is the reverse, and that athletic giving comes at the expense of general giving (i.e. there is a finite pool of money to be given, and if it is given to sports, it can not be given to the general fund, which in turn will suffer).

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/7/2017 10:35:58 AM 
L.C. wrote:
The first article implies strongly that the financial picture is better in FCS than FBS. From what I've seen that is not true, it's worse. They seem to have slightly lower costs, but substantially lower revenues. That's why schools are leaving FCS to get into FBS if they can, and not the reverse. Idaho is going the other way, but only because they can't find an FBS conference that will take them.

The elephant in the room that they don't mention is that whenever I look at the data, I consistently find a very, very strong correlation between general endowment growth and FBS football success. A select few schools, such as Ivy League schools and U Chicago have had strong endownent growth without football, but there are very few others. It's a stupid relationship, but one that seems undeniable. In this age where people overvalue sports, they seem to donate to the schools that are successful in sports.

It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? Do you think that at, say Case Western, you find more OSU gear, or less? Do you think more of their alums give to OSU, or less?

The fact is that Ohio has had excellent endowment growth the last ten years. Has sports success contributed to that? I personally think that it has, and I suspect that the administration thinks so, too.


One thought. How is that some Big Ten schools with rather mediocre or worse football programs (Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois) have endowments in the billions, yet SEC schools with huge football traditions are under or barely above a billion dollars? I don't think football drives endowment growth so much as simply being a good public research university. Very little of OSU's fundraising machine is going to the AD, about 6-7 percent in an average year.

I have a friend who works in development at OSU. He told me that they've had 3 major multi-year fundraising campaigns in the last 30 years, and two of them came when people were really down on the football program. The first was during the latter years of the Earl Bruce regime. It had a goal of $250M and ended up raising $450M, which was a record for a public university at the time. The second was in the last years of the Cooper regime. It had a goal of $850M and raised $1.25B, which made it one of only a few public universities to ever conduct a billion dollar campaign. The last came in the glory years of Tressel/Meyer and raised a little over $3B against a goal of $2.5B, while Michigan raised over $4B while their program was in the dumps. So, I'm looking at all of this, and I'm not seeing much difference in OSU's fundraising relative to whether alumni and other supporters are happy with the football program or not.

My point here is that I have a hard time believing that people are donating, either in minor or major ways, to the History or Chemical Engineering Department based on football success whether at OSU or Minnesota or OHIO. If football doesn't seem to have much of an influence on fundraising for Ohio State why would one believe that it would be the case for OHIO. I think the need to link the two is driven more by a desire to rationalize and justify D1 football and athletic subsidies in general, similar to the way people are always bringing up the (debatable) Flutie Effect on admissions.
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   Posted: 5/7/2017 12:08:09 PM 
What was driving everything up was that Universities could tap into student fees to pay for any marginal athletic advantage conceived. There was no understanding of how this worked by the public until some of the data became available online. Journalist started asking questions and its an issue in state legislatures today. The AAC has the highest student fees in a far flung conference with limited revenue. The MAC has worked to keep costs down and isn't spending $2 million on it football coaches with enrollments that are in many cases as large as what you find in the AAC. Increase the revenue generation and reduce reliance on the student fee. Football whether directly or indirectly is the prime revenue generator. Directly in the way of ticket sales, TV money, donations, marketing income, media rights. Indirectly because it secures membership in your conference so the revenues the MAC earns from the NCAA are lost if you don't play football. The answer is to squeeze as much revenue out of football as possible and keep expenses to a minimum.

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   Posted: 5/7/2017 2:17:17 PM 
OUPride wrote:
One thought. How is that some Big Ten schools with rather mediocre or worse football programs (Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois) have endowments in the billions, yet SEC schools with huge football traditions are under or barely above a billion dollars? ...

We've had this debate before, and I'm sure we'll have it again. You have to remember that even when you have a strong statistical correlation, there are individual data points that don't fit where you might expect them. Here are links to two other prior threads where we debated this:

The first thread is one in which I point out that P5 schools are all ranked highly in the USNWR ranking of academics, with G5 schools ranked lower:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

The second one is one where I show that endowment growth is strongly correlated to football success:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

In the first post I point out that the average ranking of schools, by conference, (giving an arbitrary ranking of 250 for schools that are unranked) is:
Ivy League - 7
ACC - 54
Big Ten - 57
Pac Twelve - 81
SEC - 97
Big Twelve - 112
AAC - 144
MAC East - 132
CUSA - 196
MWC - 209
Mac West - 211
Sunbelt - 250

Other than the Ivy league, which is a whole separate world, this relationship leads to the chicken and egg question, does football promote giving which in turn leads to success academically, or does academic success lead to plenty of money, which in turn makes a school a football power? Certainly some schools like the Ivy League, U. Chicago, MIT, etc which have had success in maintaining high academic rank without football, but there are many, many liberal arts colleges out there that do not play football, and do not have a high academic rank.

In the second link I look at the relationship between endowment growth and football. I find that the endowment growth rate is related to football as well. I compared endowment growth from 2005-2012 for universities with large endowments and found the following growth rates:
Schools playing FBS football 5.6%
Ivy League - Avg 4.5%
Others not playing FBS football - 3.9%

Again, we can lead to the chicken and egg question: Does playing football increase general giving, or does a high rate of giving make a school more likely to play FBS football? Of these two, the first seems plausible (albeit stupid), while the second seems unlikely.

I haven't updated the data for either table in recent years, but I suspect that if I did I would find the relationships unchanged. At first glance, the data certainly supports the hypothesis that football success leads to closer ties to alumni and more giving, which in turn leads to a larger endowment, and that in turn leads to longer term academic improvements. Is that a valid conclusion? Is there some other conclusion?

I think the burden is on people like Ridpath or Vedder that would like to see college football go away to address the data, and come up with some other explanation. If they just ignore the data, they aren't going to ever succeed in chasing away football.

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   Posted: 5/7/2017 4:05:01 PM 
L.C. Is there info on OHIO's yearly % increase/(decrease) in giving a) on its own and b) compared to national averages or conference averages?

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   Posted: 5/7/2017 4:36:02 PM 
The chain of events in Ohio’s case is in the early 90’s major improvements were made to Peden. The tower and landscaping when it was first done is beautiful and a very nice place to watch a football game. At the same time Ohio was a hot school in the 90’s with the beginnings of renewal in Athens. Suddenly Ohio was selling out for homecoming at 19,000 on reason of the atmosphere alone. From that point the athletic department found ways to tap into this and build a consistent season ticket base. For this reason I’d say the development of the football program at Ohio was a reflection of the university, not a cause for it. Ohio truly has a student-centric athletic department. Homecoming and family weekends drive the game day buzz as it’s what you do on those weekends. Family weekends are significant on a campus where cars are not allowed for underclassman and a majority of students are from 2-3 hours away. Keep in mind there are about 10,000 more students on campus than the 80’s so it’s made the made the family weekends all that more intense. It’s the uniqueness of the school more so than winning which has allowed large crowds to take root. The academics are what motivate students to travel 2-3 hours away in high enough numbers to supply a school in the Wayne National Forest with 24,000 attendees.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/7/2017 5:30:21 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
L.C. Is there info on OHIO's yearly % increase/(decrease) in giving a) on its own and b) compared to national averages or conference averages?


I don't have the stats on the $500 million campaign but in a few very large donations is mostly how we got there. Solich's program at Ohio has brought marketing value and football donations. It hasn't moved the needle with alumni giving or significantly changed alumni engagement. Our alumni after graduating are ready to move on aside from an occasional reunion weekend.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/7/2017 8:02:08 PM 
Everyone, I know the Ohio Sports Management Program is high respected across the nation. However, I must admit to being somewhat ignorant on any bias they may have such as pro-anti college football, sports funding in general, their outlook on the future of college sports-television deals and particularly the MAC. It seems David Ridpath has been getting a fair amount of national media attention. Is his viewpoint standard for the department? Does anyone else know?

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   Posted: 5/7/2017 8:43:58 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
L.C. Is there info on OHIO's yearly % increase/(decrease) in giving a) on its own and b) compared to national averages or conference averages?

Here are yearly numbers for the Ohio Endowment, and for giving
June 2005 - $182.5m
June 2006 - $218.8m $35.6m
June 2007 - $239.6m $8.2m
June 2008 - $312.2m $94.4m
June 2009 - $266.6m $23.4m
June 2010 - $324.8m $14.6m
June 2011 - $385.6m $27.7m
June 2012 - $417.4m $20.6m
June 2013 - $454.0m $13.5m
June 2014 - $517.0m $19.1m
June 2015 - $513.0m $31.2m
June 2016 - $499.6m $30.1m

Note that despite giving in 2009, the fact that there was a market downturn caused the overall value of the endowment to fall, and that since then the endowment rose faster than just by giving as the market recovered.

The net change, from June 2005 to June 2013 is +148.8%, which figures out to a compound rate of over 12% a year. The national average was about 5% during that time period. The only other university that I am aware of that had a large endowment, and a compound growth rate over 9% was Washington and Lee at 13%.

Now, extending that data from 2005-2016, the gain is 9.6% a year, still very good. I note that despite strong giving the last two years, the Foundation has seen a decrease in net assets due to investment losses. Note that the Foundation contributes about $25 million a year to things like research, teacher salaries, and student aid.

Here are links to the last two financial reports:
https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Reports/2016/Ohio_Uni...
https://www.ohio.edu/finance/controller/upload/71740-Ohio...

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   Posted: 5/7/2017 9:23:35 PM 
Thanks, L.C. The % change re other universities--what group is that 'other'? All public or all private or both...what type of schools (2 year, 4 year, with grad schools or not, etc)?


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   Posted: 5/7/2017 10:27:11 PM 
L.C., these figures are interesting, but there are two big gifts that seem not to be reflected here at all. One is the $110 million from the Osteopathic Heritage Foundations to the medical school in 2011. Not all of these funds were used as endowment, as some where used to build the new medical school campuses in Dublin and Cleveland, but a large chunk was to go to the endowment. I wonder if these funds are being put into a separate medical school endowment fund. Also, the College of Engineering received a bequest of $124 million from the estate of Fritz and Dolores Russ during the time period that your stats cover. Though this will was not contested by any party, I know that there were initially some legal issues that delayed the actual release of the funds to the university, but I would think that that would have occurred by now. Again, I find your figures and analysis to be accurate, I'm just puzzled that two really big gifts seem to be missing from the grand totals.

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   Posted: 5/8/2017 7:33:35 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Thanks, L.C. The % change re other universities--what group is that 'other'? All public or all private or both...what type of schools (2 year, 4 year, with grad schools or not, etc)?

I took the comparative data from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_univer...
It lists only Universities with over $1b in assets in their endowments. One advantage that Ohio may have is that it is probably easier to get a large percentage increase when you start with a smaller base. Ohio's endowment is only about half the size of others in this group.

I used the Wiki to determine average endowment growth rate from 2007-2015. The data includes 86 Universities, and I added Ohio in as well. Those over 7% a year are:
1. Virginia Commonwealth 22.2%/year
2. U Cal San Francisco 11.9
3. Penn State 10.9
4. Michigan State 10.1
5. Ohio University 10.0
6. Washington & Lee 9.9
7. UCLA 8.4
8. U. California Berkeley 8.2
9. Texas Tech 7.9%

I sorted the schools by conference, and found the endowment growth rate by conference to be:
Big Ten - 5.5%
Big Twelve - 5.3%
Pac Ten - 3.8%
ACC - 3.6%
G5 - 3.4%
No FBS Football - 3.0%
SEC - 2.5%
Ivy - 2.3%

This data is incomplete, though, as it doesn't include schools not on the wiki page.

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   Posted: 5/8/2017 3:11:17 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Thanks, L.C. The % change re other universities--what group is that 'other'? All public or all private or both...what type of schools (2 year, 4 year, with grad schools or not, etc)?

I took the comparative data from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_univer...
It lists only Universities with over $1b in assets in their endowments. One advantage that Ohio may have is that it is probably easier to get a large percentage increase when you start with a smaller base. Ohio's endowment is only about half the size of others in this group.

I used the Wiki to determine average endowment growth rate from 2007-2015. The data includes 86 Universities, and I added Ohio in as well. Those over 7% a year are:
1. Virginia Commonwealth 22.2%/year
2. U Cal San Francisco 11.9
3. Penn State 10.9
4. Michigan State 10.1
5. Ohio University 10.0
6. Washington & Lee 9.9
7. UCLA 8.4
8. U. California Berkeley 8.2
9. Texas Tech 7.9%

I sorted the schools by conference, and found the endowment growth rate by conference to be:
Big Ten - 5.5%
Big Twelve - 5.3%
Pac Ten - 3.8%
ACC - 3.6%
G5 - 3.4%
No FBS Football - 3.0%
SEC - 2.5%
Ivy - 2.3%

This data is incomplete, though, as it doesn't include schools not on the wiki page.


The VCU growth caught my eyes. No football but double the growth of the second highest. I would guess that a Final Four and a nationally known basketball program helped wreak Havoc on the prior giving habits/generosity of those who helped make that money increase?

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   Posted: 5/8/2017 6:11:18 PM 
It is logical that basketball also impacts giving, and note that this is non-athletic giving. This is giving to the general fund, which can later be used for research, professor salaries, scholarships and other things. People like Vedder and Ridpath wonder why schools keep playing sports, when it makes no sense to them. If they really want to stop football, they are going to have to show that this relationship is not true, and then convince University Presidents and Athletic Directors.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/8/2017 9:15:33 PM 
L.C. you indicated Professor Ridpath has the same position as does Dr. Vedder as it relates to college football, especially in the MAC. As I indicated in my last post I have no idea but maybe you and others do, but has David Ridpath specifically stated he doesn't see a path for football in the MAC? After all he is a Professor in the Sports Administration Dept. Again, I may be somewhat ignorant but does the highly respected Ohio Sports Administration Department have a stated position on college football, especially as it relates to the MAC?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/8/2017 9:25:48 PM 
I understand the issues donating and trust me, with a name like mine you think my money goes to Columbus.

That said, the tickets I buy are non-donor there. I also own a block of seats in Athens. I have told people in Columbus to kiss my @$$ when it comes to money because they keep pissing me off when I tell them I'm not ready to donate yet along with me not getting into graduate school there. Consistently, they didn't understand what I'm doing in my career and I have yelled at them. The only thing that gets my money in Columbus is my old fraternity house (and it's worth way less than the amount of ..... books I consumed there in my time).

Athens on the other hand, gets my donations without hesitations. The athletic dept and the Sports Ad always have a donation coming from my way. It's the least I owe that place for what it has given me in terms of friends within the community (who by the way I still visit with consistently and spoil me in my time there). I owe it for the time on Court St. (where $10 puts you under) and most of all owe it for the chance I got there versus Columbus. So from here on in, the money I get in my career will always be going to Athens.

Sorry for that, but I feel it should be known where my loyalty lies on this.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/8/2017 9:29:20 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
Everyone, I know the Ohio Sports Management Program is high respected across the nation. However, I must admit to being somewhat ignorant on any bias they may have such as pro-anti college football, sports funding in general, their outlook on the future of college sports-television deals and particularly the MAC. It seems David Ridpath has been getting a fair amount of national media attention. Is his viewpoint standard for the department? Does anyone else know?


In terms of these professors (as an alum), they are very sports business driven. The kids there are driven towards going into revenue generation so when they come out they are gunning to help build those fundraising departments and sponsorship arms. Ridpath is a different cat there, but a good cat. As he has seen the dark side of athletics, we are warped by our experiences at times. That thought doesn't go deep in the department, but it is one that is forewarned to us when we leave.
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   Posted: 5/8/2017 9:30:50 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
L.C. you indicated Professor Ridpath has the same position as does Dr. Vedder as it relates to college football, especially in the MAC. As I indicated in my last post I have no idea but maybe you and others do, but has David Ridpath specifically stated he doesn't see a path for football in the MAC? After all he is a Professor in the Sports Administration Dept. Again, I may be somewhat ignorant but does the highly respected Ohio Sports Administration Department have a stated position on college football, especially as it relates to the MAC?


To the first part, I am not sure of his position on this. As to the 2nd there is no stated position, other than we have an alum running the show up in Cleveland and support him in his position.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/8/2017 10:39:48 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
L.C. you indicated Professor Ridpath has the same position as does Dr. Vedder as it relates to college football, especially in the MAC. As I indicated in my last post I have no idea but maybe you and others do, but has David Ridpath specifically stated he doesn't see a path for football in the MAC? After all he is a Professor in the Sports Administration Dept. Again, I may be somewhat ignorant but does the highly respected Ohio Sports Administration Department have a stated position on college football, especially as it relates to the MAC?

I went back and re-read that first article, and it's difficult to know which ideas came from Ridpath, and which from the author. The most anti-football comments are not attributed to Ridpath, so I presume they reflect the opinion of the author. Two of those were "Until mid-major FBS schools realize football is not worth the cost, smaller athletic programs will continue to be cut at schools across the country", and that moving from FBS to FCS would not be a popular decisions "...but it’s the one that makes the most sense."

Ridpath is more tempered in his comments. He says that maybe 5 years down the road, some conferences will change their thinking, "But we have to be able to show that it’s not going to damage the institution, that’s where I think Idaho is a good template to keep an eye on."

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I understand the issues donating and trust me, with a name like mine you think my money goes to Columbus....

I didn't mean to imply that you, or any other specific person donated to OSU, only that there are people out there that went to Ohio, but who donate to OSU, and that if Ohio didn't have a football team, there would likely be even more of them.

Last Edited: 5/8/2017 10:40:28 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/8/2017 11:10:13 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat and L.C. thank you for your insights, just trying to understand the mindset(s) of the Sports Administration Department and particularly Professor Ridpath.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio Professor David Ridpath Quoted On the Future of MAC Sports and Television Contracts
   Posted: 5/9/2017 1:56:17 AM 
I was listening to a podcast yesterday about Saban's new contract guaranteeing him 11mil/season and its effects on college football. The guys breaking everything down said that it's no secret ESPN is finally seeing it's inevitable pitfall for pumping billions into this thing and now the loss of subscribers and incomes are slashing its payout to MAC schools that are selling themselves out for exposure. What I want to talk about is what's the future of college football? P5 conferences and the playoff have officially ruined any small schools odds at making it into the big time dance. Major profits go to the P5 who already receive ungodly amounts through donations, bowl payouts, etc., while the MAC and co fight for scraps. When ESPN can no longer throw money around to make these schools play on ridiculous days like Tuesday nights in November, what happens to Ohio football? I would like to hear what everyone thinks about the future of watching games. Possibly streaming services through universities? Maybe a packaged deal through your television provider. Interesting to see what happens on Saturdays in the fall come 2020ish
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