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bshot44
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  Message Not Read  Disturbingly Steady
   Posted: 3/24/2017 9:09:52 AM 
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/3/23/150019...

Pretty in-depth article chronicling our just above average past, present & future existence with Solich
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 9:37:20 AM 
Bill Connelly does great work with some in-depth statistics nobody else looks at. However, I thought this quote was quite alarming...yet also pretty true in recent years:

"Yeah, they are sound, and they are going to give hell to better teams ... that will probably beat them. Basically, that’s Ohio’s rep at this point."
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 11:38:56 AM 
Solich changed the culture down here and I hope he can coach into his 80's. People who already want him gone seem to forget how bad this thing was in the decades prior. I'd say we were a laughing stock of the NCAA but most people didn't even know we had football. You can make an analogy to Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati I suppose. I do really wish Frank would win an outright MAC Championship to shut up the haters but even if he loses another MACC Game, I'm ok with him staying as long as he likes.
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 12:28:24 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
Solich changed the culture down here and I hope he can coach into his 80's. People who already want him gone seem to forget how bad this thing was in the decades prior. I'd say we were a laughing stock of the NCAA but most people didn't even know we had football. You can make an analogy to Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati I suppose. I do really wish Frank would win an outright MAC Championship to shut up the haters but even if he loses another MACC Game, I'm ok with him staying as long as he likes.


I have an OHIO hat with the stitching removed strategically on some letters to make it read 0-11.
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 12:50:20 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
Solich changed the culture down here and I hope he can coach into his 80's. People who already want him gone seem to forget how bad this thing was in the decades prior. I'd say we were a laughing stock of the NCAA but most people didn't even know we had football. You can make an analogy to Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati I suppose. I do really wish Frank would win an outright MAC Championship to shut up the haters but even if he loses another MACC Game, I'm ok with him staying as long as he likes.


He can coach into his 80's if we win. We have been respectable for 9 years, it is time to move the bar. Let's hope this is the year that we win the MAC.

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   Posted: 3/24/2017 1:27:22 PM 
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 1:53:21 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?


Why are you so convinced that Ohio couldn't hire someone better than Solich? Should he be fired? No. But why is this question so offensive to you people? Solich isn't going to be around forever and there is a TON of young coaching talent out there. Jim Schaus has a history of hiring successful coaches in other sports, I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to find one to replace Frank when the day comes.

We operate in a non-power 5 league with a coach in his 70s. This continuity isn't going to last forever. If a coach is successful in a non power conference he leaves, that's the nature of the beast.

Last Edited: 3/24/2017 1:54:36 PM by GoCats105
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Tymaster
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 1:58:15 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?


Why are you so convinced that Ohio couldn't hire someone better than Solich? Should he be fired? No. But why is this question so offensive to you people? Solich isn't going to be around forever and there is a TON of young coaching talent out there. Jim Schaus has a history of hiring successful coaches in other sports, I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to find one to replace Frank when the day comes.

We operate in a non-power 5 league with a coach in his 70s. This continuity isn't going to last forever. If a coach is successful in a non power conference he leaves, that's the nature of the beast.


No, I don't think we'll ever hire a coach who was a BIG 12 Coach of the Year, won a BCS Bowl Game and coached in a National Championship Game, ever again.
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 2:04:39 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?


The reality of keeping coaches around Athens or any mid major football program is non-existent. Solich is a total outlier in that respect.

Yes, we can find a coach tha may be better. Will he stay? Who knows. Most likely not.

Frank will never be fired, but his days are numbered. To think otherwise is sticking your head in the sand. He's 2nd oldest coach in CFB.

His schedules almost guarantee 7 wins.

The hamster wheel continues under him.

I'm all for change...and fully understand where this program was 12+ years ago. But Solich has built a strong foundation so someone should be able to come in and take it to next level.

Best quote from that article:

So Ohio does defy the stereotype, but that doesn’t necessarily make them watchable.
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 2:09:21 PM 
I think he's right to be concerned. Yes we have the ability to hire a good coach. We've also shown we have the ability to hire a poor coach. Many programs, even P5 programs, make the same mistake. Hell Tennessee is still reeling after the fanbase demanded Fulmer's ouster. Tennessee couldn't reload with another coach the following year. Why should we think we could?
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 2:17:58 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
I think he's right to be concerned. Yes we have the ability to hire a good coach. We've also shown we have the ability to hire a poor coach. Many programs, even P5 programs, make the same mistake. Hell Tennessee is still reeling after the fanbase demanded Fulmer's ouster. Tennessee couldn't reload with another coach the following year. Why should we think we could?


I'd point out that Nebraska has never been the same since firing Solich...
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 2:19:41 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?


The reality of keeping coaches around Athens or any mid major football program is non-existent. Solich is a total outlier in that respect.

Yes, we can find a coach tha may be better. Will he stay? Who knows. Most likely not.

Frank will never be fired, but his days are numbered. To think otherwise is sticking your head in the sand. He's 2nd oldest coach in CFB.

His schedules almost guarantee 7 wins.

The hamster wheel continues under him.

I'm all for change...and fully understand where this program was 12+ years ago. But Solich has built a strong foundation so someone should be able to come in and take it to next level.

Best quote from that article:

So Ohio does defy the stereotype, but that doesn’t necessarily make them watchable.

I realize father time waits for no one but I'd rather just enjoy the end of a legendary career than continuously bemoan not winning the MACC or not winning every bowl game. Some remarkable things have happened in Athens since Solich arrived. When I was an OU student there was very little reason to show up at Peden. Now it's a destination.
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 2:44:45 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?


The reality of keeping coaches around Athens or any mid major football program is non-existent. Solich is a total outlier in that respect.

Yes, we can find a coach tha may be better. Will he stay? Who knows. Most likely not.

Frank will never be fired, but his days are numbered. To think otherwise is sticking your head in the sand. He's 2nd oldest coach in CFB.

His schedules almost guarantee 7 wins.

The hamster wheel continues under him.

I'm all for change...and fully understand where this program was 12+ years ago. But Solich has built a strong foundation so someone should be able to come in and take it to next level.

Best quote from that article:

So Ohio does defy the stereotype, but that doesn’t necessarily make them watchable.

I realize father time waits for no one but I'd rather just enjoy the end of a legendary career than continuously bemoan not winning the MACC or not winning every bowl game. Some remarkable things have happened in Athens since Solich arrived. When I was an OU student there was very little reason to show up at Peden. Now it's a destination.

He was legendary as a player, but not so much as a coach. Look , I love FS, he is from Cleveland, he was a tough fullback, but we have lost almost every close game to formidable foes. he may have touched you with his words at a press conference or told you that you have a nice dog, but we have to be real. Even FS will tell you that his mission has not been accomplished.

Last Edited: 3/24/2017 9:45:27 PM by allen

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   Posted: 3/24/2017 3:52:19 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
Looking at next season's schedule I see no reason to not expect 8-4 and the MAC East again. Does anyone really think we can hire someone better than Solich and keep that someone in Athens?


Why are you so convinced that Ohio couldn't hire someone better than Solich? Should he be fired? No. But why is this question so offensive to you people? Solich isn't going to be around forever and there is a TON of young coaching talent out there. Jim Schaus has a history of hiring successful coaches in other sports, I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to find one to replace Frank when the day comes.

We operate in a non-power 5 league with a coach in his 70s. This continuity isn't going to last forever. If a coach is successful in a non power conference he leaves, that's the nature of the beast.


No, I don't think we'll ever hire a coach who was a BIG 12 Coach of the Year, won a BCS Bowl Game and coached in a National Championship Game, ever again.


With this logic Ohio should never hire another coach for football as soon as Frank walks out the door.

"Close up the shop, we're done here. Frank's the best we could ever do. Time to move on from football."

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   Posted: 3/24/2017 4:54:26 PM 
Great article and quite jarring at times. I struggle constantly to be happy with where we have come from but also wanting to have some real national newsworthy seasons. The question you have to ask yourself is if you are comfortable giving up the consistency of averaging 8 wins a season and regularly making a bowl game in the hopes that another coach can build upon what Frank built and break the 0-4 MACC and 2-8 Bowl record cycle. Of course the risk you take is that the next coaching staff fails and it becomes even harder to lure a new quality coach. Or you do get one newsworthy season in 3 seasons to lose your coach and start all over again.

Personally for me Solich has won my allegiance, as long as his consistency doesn't change I can live with the seasons he is giving us until he retires. It might not be the smartest decision, but I'll let my heart steer me for now.
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 6:08:46 PM 
Stop quoting facts such as Solich's record in MAC title tames or bowl games, or no season with less than four losses (and not many of just four losses), etc.

It irritates people.



The standard should not be excellence or winning the MAC title.

It should be we're not absolutely horrible as we were when we won only 17 games in 11 years. Therefore, the current situation is perfect.


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   Posted: 3/24/2017 6:49:14 PM 
Tymaster wrote:
Solich changed the culture down here and I hope he can coach into his 80's. People who already want him gone seem to forget how bad this thing was in the decades prior. I'd say we were a laughing stock of the NCAA but most people didn't even know we had football. You can make an analogy to Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati I suppose. I do really wish Frank would win an outright MAC Championship to shut up the haters but even if he loses another MACC Game, I'm ok with him staying as long as he likes.



Yes and no. Grobe got us back on course, Knorr/BoehIn veered a bit, and Solich got us back on course. in another 18 months, the Lorraine Motel and the Ambassador Hotel tragedies will be 50 years old.

Last Edited: 3/24/2017 6:55:04 PM by Alan Swank
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   Posted: 3/24/2017 7:04:38 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Stop quoting facts such as Solich's record in MAC title tames or bowl games, or no season with less than four losses (and not many of just four losses), etc.
...

Should we also stop quoting facts like Ohio's history of hiring nothing but top quality young football coaches? Those who believe that the future will be entirely different than the past need to answer the question "Why?". Considering that they seem to make no effort at understanding why the past was the way it was, it seems doubtful than they have considered why the future should be different.

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   Posted: 3/25/2017 12:47:12 AM 
I would rather have the boringly consistent bowl eligible teams we've had than the constant turmoil other MAC schools have had due to coaching changes because they have one or two good years and the coach bolts to a better job. Yes, I want a MAC championship, and I think it will come. But I don't want Ohio to be the dregs of the MAC nine years out of ten like Fiami/Kent/Buffalo have been. BG had three really good years with Babers, then looked like cowpies last year after he left. They might recover this year, but they might not. Ohio is tough, competitive and a team to be reckoned with year in and year out. There's nothing wrong with that.

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   Posted: 3/25/2017 11:08:23 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
I would rather have the boringly consistent bowl eligible teams we've had than the constant turmoil other MAC schools have had due to coaching changes because they have one or two good years and the coach bolts to a better job. Yes, I want a MAC championship, and I think it will come. But I don't want Ohio to be the dregs of the MAC nine years out of ten like Fiami/Kent/Buffalo have been. BG had three really good years with Babers, then looked like cowpies last year after he left. They might recover this year, but they might not. Ohio is tough, competitive and a team to be reckoned with year in and year out. There's nothing wrong with that.

I would rather have the MAC championships. Buffalo has one for crying out loud.

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   Posted: 3/25/2017 11:51:03 AM 
This thread reminds me very much of the complaints against Tom Osborne in the 70's and 80's. His teams were much different, though, when he had a great quarterback (Gill, Frazier). Ohio was different, too, with T3 and the first year and a half under TT. Will Maxwell or Rourke become the great QB Ohio needs? What about Keszei? Will Zaire really come to Ohio, and if so, will he be the one?

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   Posted: 3/25/2017 11:55:45 AM 
Zaire and Keszei look like they could be the ones, Maxwell and Rourke could grow into the ones, we will have to see, but this has been the position that has held us back. TT had a good stretch, but a stretch was all it was.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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   Posted: 3/25/2017 1:18:06 PM 
Two articles in WSJ on Friday March 24th relate to coaching.

Kentucky's Top Politician Coaches Basketball by Ben Cohen
The article mentions Coach Calipari lectures at a psychology class.

Do OHIO coaches regularly lecture at business management classes explaining their management philosophies, approaches to promoting team work, what it takes to be a great coach? If not, man are they missing a way to connect!

The Soccer Coach Who Listens to Belichick by Matthew Futterman
About returned US Soccer Coach getting ready for World Cup

Final paragraph:

" It's about getting the right combination of players on the field with the right attitude and mental approach who can execute better than the other team." Taken from a quote from Kasey Keller about how coach Bruce Arena has been successful.

"The hardest part of coaching is managing your players" Arena is a master of "man management". The article shows Arena does not possess secrets of sports psychology, he didn't play the game at world cup level and doesn't regularly read soccer books. Arena explains each person's role for each game with each player on the team and what is expected of them, even if they are reserves. Players liked the openness.

What management style does Coach Solich follow?
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   Posted: 3/25/2017 1:23:15 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Two articles in WSJ on Friday March 24th relate to coaching.

Kentucky's Top Politician Coaches Basketball by Ben Cohen
The article mentions Coach Calipari lectures at a psychology class.

Do OHIO coaches regularly lecture at business management classes explaining their management philosophies, approaches to promoting team work, what it takes to be a great coach? If not, man are they missing a way to connect!

The Soccer Coach Who Listens to Belichick by Matthew Futterman
About returned US Soccer Coach getting ready for World Cup

Final paragraph:

" It's about getting the right combination of players on the field with the right attitude and mental approach who can execute better than the other team." Taken from a quote from Kasey Keller about how coach Bruce Arena has been successful.

"The hardest part of coaching is managing your players" Arena is a master of "man management". The article shows Arena does not possess secrets of sports psychology, he didn't play the game at world cup level and doesn't regularly read soccer books. Arena explains each person's role for each game with each player on the team and what is expected of them, even if they are reserves. Players liked the openness.

What management style does Coach Solich follow?




+1 Dabo Swinney subscribes to the servant leader style of management, which is level 5 management.

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   Posted: 3/25/2017 11:12:27 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
Solich changed the culture down here and I hope he can coach into his 80's. People who already want him gone seem to forget how bad this thing was in the decades prior. I'd say we were a laughing stock of the NCAA but most people didn't even know we had football. You can make an analogy to Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati I suppose. I do really wish Frank would win an outright MAC Championship to shut up the haters but even if he loses another MACC Game, I'm ok with him staying as long as he likes.


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