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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  Concussions
   Posted: 4/22/2017 8:24:02 AM 
Youth flag football is increasing dramatically as parents opt for it instead of tackle football in an effort to avoid concussions:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-flag-football-popul...

A new Iowa study shows did not show that flag football is safer:
https://now.uiowa.edu/2017/02/ui-study-youth-flag-football

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Concussions
   Posted: 4/22/2017 6:12:05 PM 
Okay, I'll bite. It just doesn't make any sense to me that there is no difference in head injuries and that there are more injuries overall in flag FB.

Any ideas why that's true? I'm assuming everything was done right and it's statistically valid, etc.

Addendum: I just read some of the discussions about these results and they define injuries as any time a player missed playing. Some suggest that the flag players are more apt to miss playing and therefore being considered "injured" because of more intense injury concerns of their parents. Also, we're talking about 3% of the 3,800 players as being injured-114 players.

Last Edited: 4/22/2017 6:26:40 PM by colobobcat66
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Concussions
   Posted: 4/22/2017 6:17:52 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Okay, I'll bite. It just doesn't make any sense to me that there is no difference in head injuries and that there are more injuries overall in flag FB.

Any ideas why that's true? I'm assuming everything was done right and it's statistically valid, etc.

No, sorry. My first thought is that is that it's a small sample. Other than that, maybe we need to be careful with all collision sports involving young people, and that presumably would include not only flag football, but could also include soccer, rugby, lacrosse, oh, and, um, pillow fights.

colobobcat66 wrote:
...Addendum: I just read some of the discussions about these results and they define injuries as any time a player missed playing. Some suggest that the flag players are more apt to miss playing and therefore being considered "injured" because of more intense injury concerns of their parents. Also, we're talking about 3% of the 3,800 players as being injured-114 players.

That would affect the overall injury rate, but not the concussion rate. Either there is a concussion or there isn't. You don't hold them out for other reasons, then conclude they had a concussion.

Last Edited: 4/22/2017 7:56:48 PM by L.C.

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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Concussions
   Posted: 4/22/2017 9:05:06 PM 
L.C. wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Okay, I'll bite. It just doesn't make any sense to me that there is no difference in head injuries and that there are more injuries overall in flag FB.

Any ideas why that's true? I'm assuming everything was done right and it's statistically valid, etc.

No, sorry. My first thought is that is that it's a small sample. Other than that, maybe we need to be careful with all collision sports involving young people, and that presumably would include not only flag football, but could also include soccer, rugby, lacrosse, oh, and, um, pillow fights.

colobobcat66 wrote:
...Addendum: I just read some of the discussions about these results and they define injuries as any time a player missed playing. Some suggest that the flag players are more apt to miss playing and therefore being considered "injured" because of more intense injury concerns of their parents. Also, we're talking about 3% of the 3,800 players as being injured-114 players.

That would affect the overall injury rate, but not the concussion rate. Either there is a concussion or there isn't. You don't hold them out for other reasons, then conclude they had a concussion.


You're right about the concussion issue, but they don't say in the raw results how many concussions were even talking about. I'll say this, if you dealing with a sport that involves players hitting each other or hitting inanimate objects while running, there may be injuries including concussions . Parents and players need to be aware of the risks and act accordingly. Let's hope studies continue ,and improvements in preventing or reducing them continue.
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L.C.
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   Posted: 4/22/2017 11:06:39 PM 
I'm in favor of that, and extending the studies to all contact sports.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Concussions
   Posted: 4/24/2017 4:08:14 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Okay, I'll bite. It just doesn't make any sense to me that there is no difference in head injuries and that there are more injuries overall in flag FB.

Any ideas why that's true? I'm assuming everything was done right and it's statistically valid, etc.

No, sorry. My first thought is that is that it's a small sample. Other than that, maybe we need to be careful with all collision sports involving young people, and that presumably would include not only flag football, but could also include soccer, rugby, lacrosse, oh, and, um, pillow fights.

colobobcat66 wrote:
...Addendum: I just read some of the discussions about these results and they define injuries as any time a player missed playing. Some suggest that the flag players are more apt to miss playing and therefore being considered "injured" because of more intense injury concerns of their parents. Also, we're talking about 3% of the 3,800 players as being injured-114 players.

That would affect the overall injury rate, but not the concussion rate. Either there is a concussion or there isn't. You don't hold them out for other reasons, then conclude they had a concussion.


You're right about the concussion issue, but they don't say in the raw results how many concussions were even talking about. I'll say this, if you dealing with a sport that involves players hitting each other or hitting inanimate objects while running, there may be injuries including concussions . Parents and players need to be aware of the risks and act accordingly. Let's hope studies continue ,and improvements in preventing or reducing them continue.



They also still fail to deal with the issue of the roils and synthetic hormones these athletes take that have known psychological effects.
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