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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 1:47:28 PM 
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.

Last Edited: 1/25/2017 1:52:54 PM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 2:43:56 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.


I don't see why that's a problem. The P5 controls football. An 8-6 MAC team's participation in a bowl game with 20,000 fans and the coveted "noon on a Tuesday somewhere around Christmas" timeslot doesn't make it relevant. It makes it fodder for feeding ESPN's programming needs.

Maybe with fewer bowls, the MAC can go 0-3 instead of 0-6.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/sports/ncaafootball/we...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 3:30:21 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.


I don't see why that's a problem. The P5 controls football. An 8-6 MAC team's participation in a bowl game with 20,000 fans and the coveted "noon on a Tuesday somewhere around Christmas" timeslot doesn't make it relevant. It makes it fodder for feeding ESPN's programming needs.

Maybe with fewer bowls, the MAC can go 0-3 instead of 0-6.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/sports/ncaafootball/we...


Thanks for your insights. Not. Fortunately, you just determine what's relevant for you, not everyone.
I'd still rather watch a 8-6 MAC team play rather than a 5-7 Big 10 team.

Last Edited: 1/25/2017 3:51:19 PM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 5:00:09 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.


I don't see why that's a problem. The P5 controls football. An 8-6 MAC team's participation in a bowl game with 20,000 fans and the coveted "noon on a Tuesday somewhere around Christmas" timeslot doesn't make it relevant. It makes it fodder for feeding ESPN's programming needs.

Maybe with fewer bowls, the MAC can go 0-3 instead of 0-6.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/sports/ncaafootball/we...


Thanks for your insights. Not. Fortunately, you just determine what's relevant for you, not everyone.
I'd still rather watch a 8-6 MAC team play rather than a 5-7 Big 10 team.


My point is that I'd rather watch neither, and based on ratings and attendance most people agree with me.

MAC v. Sunbelt or whatever bowls don't suddenly make casual fans think, "wow, that MAC football sure is impressive." Reducing bowl games will have no impact on the fate of the G5. The G5 is doomed to purgatory until the current system collapses, and who knows what will replace it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 5:01:09 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.


I don't see why that's a problem. The P5 controls football. An 8-6 MAC team's participation in a bowl game with 20,000 fans and the coveted "noon on a Tuesday somewhere around Christmas" timeslot doesn't make it relevant. It makes it fodder for feeding ESPN's programming needs.

Maybe with fewer bowls, the MAC can go 0-3 instead of 0-6.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/sports/ncaafootball/we...


Thanks for your insights. Not. Fortunately, you just determine what's relevant for you, not everyone.
I'd still rather watch a 8-6 MAC team play rather than a 5-7 Big 10 team.


Other than the few fans of each of those teams and someone with nothing to do, who wants to watch either of those teams play. And can we dispense with the P 7, G 8 labels. It just ads to the fact that one is superior than the other - kind of like mid-major.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 5:39:51 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.


I don't see why that's a problem. The P5 controls football. An 8-6 MAC team's participation in a bowl game with 20,000 fans and the coveted "noon on a Tuesday somewhere around Christmas" timeslot doesn't make it relevant. It makes it fodder for feeding ESPN's programming needs.

Maybe with fewer bowls, the MAC can go 0-3 instead of 0-6.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/sports/ncaafootball/we...


Thanks for your insights. Not. Fortunately, you just determine what's relevant for you, not everyone.
I'd still rather watch a 8-6 MAC team play rather than a 5-7 Big 10 team.


Other than the few fans of each of those teams and someone with nothing to do, who wants to watch either of those teams play. And can we dispense with the P 7, G 8 labels. It just ads to the fact that one is superior than the other - kind of like mid-major.


The labels aren't going away anytime soon. The payouts are based on them. The P-5 win the war, there's still the have-nots hanging around.
As far as nothing to do, that's what watching sports is mostly about.

Last Edited: 1/25/2017 5:43:07 PM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 8:18:19 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
After 12 years. Problem is that it was a MAC backup bowl.

My whole issue with eliminating bowls is that the P-5 will end up controlling all the bowls and leave the G-5 out. I agree with nearly everybody that we have too many bowls. Just give the G-5 conferences a chance to play in a few of them.


I don't see why that's a problem. The P5 controls football. An 8-6 MAC team's participation in a bowl game with 20,000 fans and the coveted "noon on a Tuesday somewhere around Christmas" timeslot doesn't make it relevant. It makes it fodder for feeding ESPN's programming needs.

Maybe with fewer bowls, the MAC can go 0-3 instead of 0-6.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/sports/ncaafootball/we...


Thanks for your insights. Not. Fortunately, you just determine what's relevant for you, not everyone.
I'd still rather watch a 8-6 MAC team play rather than a 5-7 Big 10 team.


Other than the few fans of each of those teams and someone with nothing to do, who wants to watch either of those teams play. And can we dispense with the P 7, G 8 labels. It just ads to the fact that one is superior than the other - kind of like mid-major.


The labels aren't going away anytime soon. The payouts are based on them. The P-5 win the war, there's still the have-nots hanging around.
As far as nothing to do, that's what watching sports is mostly about.


That's truly sad.
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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/25/2017 11:17:38 PM 
While old-timers are complaining about "too many bowls," has anyone seen the $'s for the MAC this year?

Yeah, the MAC went 0-6. Ohio wasn't in a bowl 20 years ago. Or 30 years ago. Or 40 years ago. What was the MAC's bowl payout 40 years ago when there were 1/5 as many bowls and Ohio was sitting at home without a MAC Championship and without a bowl appearance?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/26/2017 12:31:55 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
While old-timers are complaining about "too many bowls," has anyone seen the $'s for the MAC this year?

Yeah, the MAC went 0-6. Ohio wasn't in a bowl 20 years ago. Or 30 years ago. Or 40 years ago. What was the MAC's bowl payout 40 years ago when there were 1/5 as many bowls and Ohio was sitting at home without a MAC Championship and without a bowl appearance?


uh oh - here it comes.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/26/2017 12:39:03 AM 
Not worried. There's been a surplus of bowl teams the last 2 years. Maybe this just keeps a couple 5-7 teams out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/26/2017 9:42:36 AM 
catfan28 wrote:
Not worried. There's been a surplus of bowl teams the last 2 years. Maybe this just keeps a couple 5-7 teams out.


That's it. Last year there were just two 5-7 teams in bowl games (Miss St and North Tex). With one less bowl, the odds of even one 5-7 team getting a bowl bid get really long.

We will get by.
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   Posted: 1/26/2017 10:22:05 AM 
Yes there are a lot of bowl games that are not worth watching to the average fan. However to the college players, fans of those teams, friends and family and to the local communities that support those games they are enjoyable and worthwhile. The same can be said for the CIT, CBI, Vegas 16 and any other basketball tournament that is not the NCAA. Most of the athletes love competing and cherish the opportunity to play another game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/26/2017 11:00:29 AM 
To this point, most bowl games still are profitable for just about everyone involved. This is a rare case. For every bowl that has shut down in the past, two have replaced it.

Most bowls make enough money to remain in existence and to even cause others to want to start more bowls. Even though not many people watch most of the bowl games, enough people do for ESPN to pay (probably very little by their standards) to show them over other programming. Most schools involved make enough (or see enough benefit of some kind) to play in the games. Even the players get the benefit of a trip to a usually nice location with several hundred dollars worth of stuff given to them.
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   Posted: 1/26/2017 1:30:40 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
While old-timers are complaining about "too many bowls," has anyone seen the $'s for the MAC this year?

Yeah, the MAC went 0-6. Ohio wasn't in a bowl 20 years ago. Or 30 years ago. Or 40 years ago. What was the MAC's bowl payout 40 years ago when there were 1/5 as many bowls and Ohio was sitting at home without a MAC Championship and without a bowl appearance?


Never understood that line of thinking anyway. If you are forced to watch them all then complain all you want but I fail to see why North Texas or Ohio or some other school that would have no chance playing in a bowl game shouldn't enjoy the opportunity. Ten years ago EMU isn't going bowling and from all accounts they had a great time this year. Good for them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poinsettia Bowl shutting down
   Posted: 1/27/2017 12:24:32 PM 
Since ESPN is the reason most of the "minor" bowls are in existence, we may see a lot of these bowls disappear in four or five years if the financial troubles at ESPN continue.

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   Posted: 1/27/2017 12:34:51 PM 
Except the bowls are a profitable venture for ESPN - which is why each year they buy more and more.
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   Posted: 1/30/2017 9:22:57 AM 
I agree, it's good for the players and fans of those teams, so who cares how many there are. If you don't want to watch a MAC-Sun Belt matchup, then don't. some people just like watching college football no matter who is playing. People that bet on the games and people in bowl pools also watch them.
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   Posted: 1/30/2017 10:34:30 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Yes there are a lot of bowl games that are not worth watching to the average fan. However to the college players, fans of those teams, friends and family and to the local communities that support those games they are enjoyable and worthwhile. The same can be said for the CIT, CBI, Vegas 16 and any other basketball tournament that is not the NCAA. Most of the athletes love competing and cherish the opportunity to play another game.


This summarizes my thoughts pretty well.

Some of my most enjoyable bowling watching experiences were between teams that most of the country probably would not have interest in. The 2012 New Orleans Bowl with East Carolina and UL Lafayette was one that I started watching for background noise when wrapping Christmas presents and kept on long after finishing as it was not decided until the final minutes with a lot of scoring and action. I have watched some clunkers though too that led to me changing the channel.

But I am kind of football junkie and, like pizza, even when it's bad, it's good. Especially considering that we only have one more live football game to watch until late summer/early fall.

Last Edited: 1/30/2017 10:35:33 AM by OUcats82

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   Posted: 1/31/2017 8:34:58 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Yes there are a lot of bowl games that are not worth watching to the average fan. However to the college players, fans of those teams, friends and family and to the local communities that support those games they are enjoyable and worthwhile. The same can be said for the CIT, CBI, Vegas 16 and any other basketball tournament that is not the NCAA. Most of the athletes love competing and cherish the opportunity to play another game.


This summarizes my thoughts pretty well.

Some of my most enjoyable bowling watching experiences were between teams that most of the country probably would not have interest in. The 2012 New Orleans Bowl with East Carolina and UL Lafayette was one that I started watching for background noise when wrapping Christmas presents and kept on long after finishing as it was not decided until the final minutes with a lot of scoring and action. I have watched some clunkers though too that led to me changing the channel.

But I am kind of football junkie and, like pizza, even when it's bad, it's good. Especially considering that we only have one more live football game to watch until late summer/early fall.


I'm with you on that! Hello, my name is Mark Lembright and I'm a footballholic.....
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   Posted: 2/1/2017 8:35:34 AM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Yes there are a lot of bowl games that are not worth watching to the average fan. However to the college players, fans of those teams, friends and family and to the local communities that support those games they are enjoyable and worthwhile. The same can be said for the CIT, CBI, Vegas 16 and any other basketball tournament that is not the NCAA. Most of the athletes love competing and cherish the opportunity to play another game.


This summarizes my thoughts pretty well.

Some of my most enjoyable bowling watching experiences were between teams that most of the country probably would not have interest in. The 2012 New Orleans Bowl with East Carolina and UL Lafayette was one that I started watching for background noise when wrapping Christmas presents and kept on long after finishing as it was not decided until the final minutes with a lot of scoring and action. I have watched some clunkers though too that led to me changing the channel.

But I am kind of football junkie and, like pizza, even when it's bad, it's good. Especially considering that we only have one more live football game to watch until late summer/early fall.


I'm with you on that! Hello, my name is Mark Lembright and I'm a footballholic.....


Lots of those around here!

The Dollar General Bowl between Ohio and Troy was the highest viewed thing on television during Primetime on a Friday night, beating out your daughter's favorite Disney Princess. America still loves football.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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