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Monroe Slavin
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Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/4/2016 2:48:26 PM

Most quarterbacks hit a pretty good percentage of throwing catchable balls to wide-open receivers.

Beyond that absolute requirement, off the top of the head, recently I recall the qb's of Buffalo, BG, Appy State and TX State being able to do the needed, more-refined skill of seeding a ball with some arm-strength into small windows.

Haven't much seen that from an OHIO qb for years.

Without such ability, there's a ceiling on how good we can be.

To anyone who disagrees with me (look--I'm playing defensive already!), I think that you are not observing well.

It's why those of you who predicted a fine season for us, despite our unproven qb situation, will, very likely, be way off base.

Simply, no savvy-skilled qb, no way.

For those who'll say, yeah, but Buffalo's Licata didn't lead his team anywhere, a sound qb is a must-have...but it's not a guarantee...more is needed from the rest of the team.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/6/2016 4:09:28 AM

Good point.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 12:27:21 PM

Floaters.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 12:49:30 PM

Of course, one aspect of hitting open receivers is for the receivers to catch catchable balls. Case in point is yesterday's game, where wide-open receivers dropped at least three catchable passes.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 1:56:39 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Of course, one aspect of hitting open receivers is for the receivers to catch catchable balls. Case in point is yesterday's game, where wide-open receivers dropped at least three catchable passes.

Including Windham's very first pass last week to Papi White, perfectly thrown, only to go through White's hands. A sure TD if caught.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 7:54:25 PM

We had a lot of drops yesterday too. Our passing game is not looking very mature, but we got everything we could have hoped for from the running game, not least of all, Windham making some great runs in key situations. The drops in the endzone were very frustrating... I know the defenders made some good plays, but if we can hang onto the ball for a split second longer, this is no longer a game we have to sweat out even with a two score lead.

All that said, considering the field position we had after all the turnovers, 37 points isn't all that much. Yesterday was a nice win -- believe me I was a happy camper with how we rebounded and I love any win over a P5 school -- and we cut our mistakes, but our red zone issues are still a big concern. I miss the way TT used to connect with BRazil and Foster on those fade routes. We simply don't make that play anymore.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 8:04:25 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Thought there was a pretty sweet catch by Mr, Belack and a few last week by Ball.
Perhaps things are about to cycle upward.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 8:21:52 PM

No one who can think cares what you have to say, Bcat2, since you are so invested in Solich and staff that you can't see the reasonably representative truth.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 9:31:00 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

. . . so invested in Solich and staff that you can't see the reasonably representative truth.

An you, dear sir, are invested in what? The unbiased search for the truth about OHIO football?

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 9:56:25 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

. . . so invested in Solich and staff that you can't see the reasonably representative truth.

An you, dear sir, are invested in what? The unbiased search for the truth about OHIO football?

I think the only thing Monroe is INVESTED in is CRITICIZING whatever we do every single game, win or lose. Didn't take him long to spin the win in a negative direction. He'll NEVER be happy. But who cares? Not those who count like Schaus and McDavis.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 9/11/2016 10:11:05 PM

Good call. Our receivers consistently catch a reasonable % of wide open balls and our qb's hit a reasonable % of wide open receivers and can/do gun the ball when needed.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/24/2016 9:14:58 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I have my M.O.!

and had it on 9/4/16 as the year began

Last Edited: 10/24/2016 9:15:34 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/24/2016 9:32:37 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I have my M.O.!

and had it on 9/4/16 as the year began

You get a ribbon.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/25/2016 2:43:06 AM

My thing is the truth. And making decisions on what actually exists.

So, I was the first to call Knorr.

And, what SBH posted in the Toledo game thread today is what I've been telling you all for 2+ years: we're mediocre, no real achievement in 11+ years, bad schemes/strategy, confusion (infamous BG 'punting'game TT and whole team looking at sidelines, etc), inability to adjust to what the other side does best.

Suddenly, this week many of you recognize it.

A number of you are like T Busfield in Field of Dreams: 'When did the baseball men get here?'

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/25/2016 9:13:53 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Monroe, once again, it's not your opinion that we're backsliding in recent years that is off-putting. It's how many times you repeat yourself every chance you get, off topic and in everyone's face. You're actually the Donald Trump of this board (Did you assault women? I will defeat ISIS.) When you actually reply and cite actual observations in context? Good stuff. Many agree with your overall opinion of things recently, but also think Frank has enough credit to be given a chance to right the ship. Texas State debacle + our overall offensive performance this season leaves me with doubts about the overall direction of the program. Against our current schedule, it's frankly disgusting to me that we're not 7-1 right now. We should be an EASY 7-1.

That said, you're just flat out wrong to say there have been no achievements in 11 years. Three East titles, two bowl wins, win at Penn State, close call at evil empire, and multiple p5 wins. Personally, Penn State was us jumping the shark for me. You claim to be reason and fact-based, but you're not. At all. you pick facts that support your case - and they do exist - but you ignore everything else. So stop spending SO much time telling everyone how right you are. Not everyone who disagrees with you (some of the board) or is annoyed by you (mostly everyone) is a Solich "apologist".

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/26/2016 2:47:06 AM

DFC--Why so angry, my friend?

SBH was the one who used the 'no achievement in 11 years' language in his post, in the post I referred to.

If you're an enemy of my enemy, are you my friend? Or what.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/26/2016 8:41:27 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

DFC--Why so angry, my friend?

SBH was the one who used the 'no achievement in 11 years' language in his post, in the post I referred to.

then you're both wrong. Are there any RECENT achievements upon which to hang a hat? NIU last year maybe, 8-4 overall, but nothing earth-shattering. so sure, I don't think many like the way things look in recent years. but to say there have been no accomplishments in 11 years is just wrong.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/26/2016 12:01:00 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

DFC--Why so angry, my friend?

SBH was the one who used the 'no achievement in 11 years' language in his post, in the post I referred to.

yes...you are right. there have been a number of achievements the last 11 years as a whole. but recently there have been very, very little. I'd even venture to say none.

Ohio played for MAC title for first time - 2006
Ohio played in two more MAC title games (2009 & 2011)
Ohio won at a P5 school (Illinois 2006, PSU 2011, Kansas 2016)
Ohio won first bowl game (2011)
Ohio won a second bowl game (2012)

But what has Ohio done that would be considered an achievement in the last four seasons? If we're hanging our hat on winning at Kansas, that is just truly sad.

I think four years is enough to determine a direction in which the program is heading. It's not an upward trend? If you don't want to say it's a downward trend....then you have to admit it's flatlined. MAC Records...4-4, 4-4, 4-4, 5-3, and well on the way to another 5-3 or 4-4 again.

There has been nothing this program has done (outside of building an indoor practice facility) that gives you belief the program is on the rise.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 10/26/2016 1:01:29 PM

In the 11 years, there have been some decent achievements but none that were memorably notable save for the victory over Pitt at home and, probably, the win at Penn State.

We didn't beat very good teams in the bowl games.

But that's not the bigger part of the point. The bigger part is

1) a record largely built on beating cupcakes (so, remove them and tell me the record),

2) so many crashing losses to peer (MAC) teams, and

3) the last four years have been boring, regressing (same old stuff...and it's increasingly ineffective and unexciting) and bad football with nothing close to a nice achievement.

To think that it's going to get better without significant change is not thinking.

Been telling you that for years. Can't figure out how it is that so many are only now seeing this.

We all know how one season like the last four years would get a coach at any school with reasonable football hopes fired at year end if not mid-year. I know that we're not USC or Alabama. But I just don't get how the years of horrid losses with not much good to offset has been so tolerated so long.

If you just want a nice day in Athens, that's fine. But we don't need a football team at all for that. If we are going to have a team, though, we ought to expect it to win a MACC once in 11 years.

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RE: Fundamental limitation

Posted: 1/8/2017 8:22:31 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Above was posted the day after the Texas State game.

It was correct...8-6...this year and will be next year.

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