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This article continues the discussion. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,113 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/3/2017 10:35:47 PM  And granted it was Western Michigan on a Tuesday night and Cleveland State on a Saturday - both with the students gone - but there weren't 2500 in the house either game. Friends I have who used to go to many games haven't attended one in a few years. When asked, they just aren't interested is the response. Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/3/2017 10:48:15 PM  The crowds we get for Winter Break games are no different than they've ever been. Tonight was actually way above my expectation with students gone and awful weather. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,385 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/4/2017 12:25:21 AM  Am I on the basketball forum now? I must be confused. :-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,113 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/4/2017 10:19:35 AM  catfan28 wrote: The crowds we get for Winter Break games are no different than they've ever been. Tonight was actually way above my expectation with students gone and awful weather. In keeping with the original post, you missed the second part of my post. My guess is you're a season ticket holder. If you look around, are the same people who sat near you five years ago sitting there. In sections 3 and 4 that isn't the case at all. Not sure if it's other interests or escalating prices. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,037 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/4/2017 10:26:21 AM  Alan Swank wrote: Friends I have who used to go to many games haven't attended one in a few years. When asked, they just aren't interested is the response. I'm curious. Do you think their interest in sports overall has waned? Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,690 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/4/2017 10:51:55 AM  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-04/colleg... Another Bloomberg article in a series about the financial mess college sports are in. They are calling it a bubble. This one talks about all the debt schools are taking on to upgrade facilities and play the arms race. With dwindling crowds it may be just a matter of time before the TV revenue starts sliding and these schools will feel the pinch. They are already cutting some sports. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,113 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/4/2017 11:08:52 AM  Ohio69 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Friends I have who used to go to many games haven't attended one in a few years. When asked, they just aren't interested is the response. I'm curious. Do you think their interest in sports overall has waned? I think so. I know mine has. It started in 1998 when I broke my leg and was in a cast for seven months. Sports just weren't as important. Then when Art stole the Browns from Cleveland that just made matters worse. Later on, when restrictions were put on the Green and White Club the fun of that experience disappeared. And now, the cost of seats has become an issue. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/5/2017 12:30:54 PM  Alan has a point, there's a changing dynamic in sport viewership, especially live events. There are so many more options than 10,20, 30 years ago etc. I find myself going to fewer Bobcat games and professional games as well. Part of that has to do with being married with kids, but I wouldn't be surprised that once our kids are older I wouldn't go to as many as I once did. My wife enjoys sports as well, but like Alan I see others around me not going to as many games as they once did, and as always cost is a factor. A friend of mine has season tickets to the Browns. During one game toward the end of the third quarter, we went down to the lounge where season ticket holders hang out. I joked that this must be what happens when the season is a bust. I was politely corrected by another fan. He told me he has been to several different NFL stadiums and the lounges in those stadiums are also filled with people checking their cell phones, hanging out with friends, watching other games, and seemingly oblivious to what's happening on the field. Demographically we are a nation of 3000+ million people, one would think there would never be a shortage of people who want to go to live sporting events and actually watch the games. However, as evidenced by those sports lounges in stadiums, fans especially young millennials view things differently. We shall see. Last Edited: 1/5/2017 12:35:50 PM by cbus cat fan Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,463 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/5/2017 2:15:52 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: Alan has a point, there's a changing dynamic in sport viewership, especially live events. There are so many more options than 10,20, 30 years ago etc. I find myself going to fewer Bobcat games and professional games as well. Part of that has to do with being married with kids, but I wouldn't be surprised that once our kids are older I wouldn't go to as many as I once did. My wife enjoys sports as well, but like Alan I see others around me not going to as many games as they once did, and as always cost is a factor. A friend of mine has season tickets to the Browns. During one game toward the end of the third quarter, we went down to the lounge where season ticket holders hang out. I joked that this must be what happens when the season is a bust. I was politely corrected by another fan. He told me he has been to several different NFL stadiums and the lounges in those stadiums are also filled with people checking their cell phones, hanging out with friends, watching other games, and seemingly oblivious to what's happening on the field. Demographically we are a nation of 3000+ million people, one would think there would never be a shortage of people who want to go to live sporting events and actually watch the games. However, as evidenced by those sports lounges in stadiums, fans especially young millennials view things differently. We shall see. If it were 3000+ million, attendance shouldn't be a problem.LOL Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,341 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/5/2017 3:21:29 PM  Part of the problem is that most college athletics departments haven't recognized that the economy still hasn't bounced all the way back from the housing recession. This is a problem the Democrats ran into this past election cycle. Jobs are there, but in many (if not most) cases not at nearly the pay levels as the jobs that were lost. Lots of people are still scrounging to make ends meet. Yet, ticket prices -- especially at the "P" schools -- keep going through the roof. Combine that with the explosion of cheaper alternative sources for entertainment (including games on TV/Internet), and the concussion issue, and there's little wonder college football is hurting for attendance. Time for college football to wake up and cater to working families again. (No, I'm not going to say "Make College Football Great Again.") Ohio's family pack plan is a step in the right direction. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,472 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/5/2017 3:27:33 PM  Pataskala wrote: ....(No, I'm not going to say "Make College Football Great Again.").... Nate Silver already did: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/make-college-football... / Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/5/2017 4:27:39 PM  Sorry about the extra zero in my 300+ million population figure. Maybe someone in China could chime on any sports attendance problems they might be experiencing! In all seriousness, here's another link concerning ESPN losing $75 million on this weekend's NFL wildcard because they paid too much in the last TV deal. http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-will-lose-75-milli... It would be interesting to see how this might break down in future weekly college games and or bowls. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,851 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/9/2017 3:07:43 PM  The latest piece in this series will be of interest to any season ticket holder who can't make midweek games. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-05/why-tv... Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,037 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/9/2017 3:36:38 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The latest piece in this series will be of interest to any season ticket holder who can't make midweek games. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-05/why-tv... Mario Moccia is my hero. Who has guts enough to try this stuff? Another thing I'd like to see mid-majors do is take Thanksgiving week off and play the last game the next weekend. Bowl schedules be damned... Play when the students are on campus. Oh, and if you still have cable, call them and tell them you are dropping. I did that recently and they cut my bill by 50% with no change in service. I don't know if I'm happy or mad... Last Edited: 1/9/2017 3:38:39 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/9/2017 3:41:15 PM  This is pretty bad: "Western Michigan University never came close to filling its 30,200-seat stadium in 2016, in spite of the most successful season in Broncos history." But after further examination...they did draw 26k+ and 28k+ a couple times. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/9/2017 4:19:22 PM  I wonder how this may, or may not correlate to college basketball attendance? My theory is that three things make college basketball less affected by declines in attendance mentioned in this thread: Shorter games, Indoor, climate controlled conditions, and generally much less expensive ticket prices. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,037 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 8:14:28 AM  OU_Country wrote: I wonder how this may, or may not correlate to college basketball attendance? My theory is that three things make college basketball less affected by declines in attendance mentioned in this thread: Shorter games, Indoor, climate controlled conditions, and generally much less expensive ticket prices. The climate outside likely helps too. Less to do outside in Jan/Feb than the Fall. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 10:50:02 AM  Ohio69 wrote: OU_Country wrote: I wonder how this may, or may not correlate to college basketball attendance? My theory is that three things make college basketball less affected by declines in attendance mentioned in this thread: Shorter games, Indoor, climate controlled conditions, and generally much less expensive ticket prices. The climate outside likely helps too. Less to do outside in Jan/Feb than the Fall. I would agree, though I think some have different seasons for things they do. The guys I know that hunt might think it's easier to get to a football game rather than at least some parts of basketball season just because of some hunting seasons. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,037 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 11:19:07 AM  Maybe the benefit of playing so many football games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays has run its course. And moving basketball games to strange start times (Friday at 9PM for instance) as well. Is it time to look for a new way to maintain and grow brand loyalty? Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,690 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 11:45:09 AM  I agree with the NMSU AD. Just take a look at the Tuesday MACtion games on TV and see the pathetic attendance. The TV money can't be worth that. Does anyone know what we get from that package? Back in the day we always played basketball games on Wednesday night and Saturday afternoon at 3pm. There were few exceptions to that schedule. Football was always Saturday afternoon at 2pm(I think). If you want alumni to come in for the games, consistency in days and times really helps a lot. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 12:58:29 PM  giacomo wrote: I agree with the NMSU AD. Just take a look at the Tuesday MACtion games on TV and see the pathetic attendance. The TV money can't be worth that. Does anyone know what we get from that package? Back in the day we always played basketball games on Wednesday night and Saturday afternoon at 3pm. There were few exceptions to that schedule. Football was always Saturday afternoon at 2pm(I think). If you want alumni to come in for the games, consistency in days and times really helps a lot. It's a double edged sword. Tuesday night MACtion has done a lot to promote awareness for every school in the MAC. I'm all for it in reality, but what I'm more in favor of is having ONE Tues/Wed night game each week in the conference, then allowing everyone else to return to Saturday games. As for the hoops moving from Wednesday to Tuesday, I'm not sure why that was done other than perhaps for TV. Personally, I'm fine with a Friday night basketball game for the sake of ESPN coverage. But I understand why folks who support high school sports aren't in favor of it, so for that reason it's not the best timing in small college towns like Athens. I'm also in favor of having games at times other than 2pm constantly. I'm a proponent of having at least two Saturday basketball games that tip at 7pm, and at least one night home football game early in the season. Night games seem to get people excited, and excitement around the programs is a good thing. I agree that consistency, at least in days of the week, is a good thing, but look around the country at least in basketball, and game times and dates are all over the place. It's something that's probably going to hang around for awhile. Last Edited: 1/10/2017 1:00:40 PM by OU_Country Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,851 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 2:02:06 PM  Sacrificing a live audience for television is like eating your seed corn. Get a little fatter in the wallet now, but starve later when you have a much smaller group of engaged alumni. Every G5 FBS program is reaching for a brass ring, but there really aren't any to grab. The pool of money is already shrinking even at the P5 level. The whole house of cards is ready to fall, and it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 2:18:08 PM  /\ | | No argument here. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Bloomberg: College Football's Empty Stadiums    Posted: 1/10/2017 3:48:01 PM  Yes and that's the difference between college football and college basketball. A rising college basketball coaching star like Archie Miller will stay at Dayton because there are 3x as many Division I college basketball programs than football, the gap in salaries in college football is staggering. It is more manageable in basketball. The MAC and college football is literally like Charlie Brown and Lucy dangling the football. We know what happens, but we keep thinking it will be different this time. 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