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BuddyLee
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Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 12:11:00 PM

Does anybody know Solich contract status? I could only find an article on google saying he was extended through June 2017, but that can't be correct. If this is a lame duck season, in the world of college football we have to think about making a decision on an extension sooner rather than later.

SBH
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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 4:02:37 PM

I would guess he would get an extension - if it hasn't happened already - before McDavis leaves in February. Same for Schaus.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 5:09:18 PM

I am shocked that nobody knows whether this is the final year of his contract or not.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 6:23:48 PM

I don't recall the specific article or if it was just a tweet, but I do remember Jason Arkley mentioned that Frank's contract is something like "auto-extending". He explained that it meant he would never enter a season as a lame duck coach because of this provision.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 7:37:27 PM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

I found it as a Tweet:

Jason Arkley ‏@JasonAmessenger 10 Aug 2016
As for Solich, he is auto-extended every year. He never enters a season on the last year of a contract
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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 10:03:10 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

I found it as a Tweet:

Jason Arkley &#mailto:8207;@JasonAmessenger 10 Aug 2016
As for Solich, he is auto-extended every year. He never enters a season on the last year of a contract
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Correct, 1 year deal with automatic rollover

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/8/2017 10:39:37 PM

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/9/2017 6:57:42 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

Thank you for replying with this, I would have never found it otherwise.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 9:32:11 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

I would rather have a loyal, consistent head coach like Frank - than serve as a stop gap for young coaches like P.J. Fleck.

"A revolving door leads nowhere"

Last Edited: 1/12/2017 9:33:10 AM by Shaq of the MAC

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 10:54:14 AM

Shaq of the MAC wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

I would rather have a loyal, consistent head coach like Frank - than serve as a stop gap for young coaches like P.J. Fleck.

"A revolving door leads nowhere"

Apply that logic to hoops and Larry Hunter is still at the Convo, and we have zero NCAA Tournament wins in that span as opposed to three.

Western had an undefeated regular season, massive media coverage, a MAC Championship and a solid showing in a major bowl. They'll take a hit rebuilding around a new coach but that's a small price to pay.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 11:02:37 AM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Shaq of the MAC wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

I would rather have a loyal, consistent head coach like Frank - than serve as a stop gap for young coaches like P.J. Fleck.

"A revolving door leads nowhere"

We have reached that point, same number of years, but Larry had more championships and a larger period on the national stage. He also had a MAC Championship and a website with his head bouncing inside a basketball across the "Fire Larry Hunter Page"

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 12:15:58 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Shaq of the MAC wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

I would rather have a loyal, consistent head coach like Frank - than serve as a stop gap for young coaches like P.J. Fleck.

"A revolving door leads nowhere"

Yes, but take a look how other highly successful MAC teams in the past that lost good young coaches faired. Buffalo comes to mind. Sure you have a great year or two, then lose your coach, and then quickly sink. Frank and OU has been the one constant successful program throughout. I for one am grateful that we haven't had to experience the roller coaster ride of success and failure that other MAC teams have endured. Of course, I was around during the Cleve Bryant & Tom Lichtenberg era so I know and understand how bad OU football can be.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 12:24:51 PM

I think it's completely wrong to imply that basketball and football expectations/standards are the same at Ohio.

Yes, championships are the goal for each sport. What I mean is that when it comes to basketball, we offer an experience that no other team in the conference can. Our facility and fan support far exceed that of everyone else. That's simply not the case with football. Comparatively, football isn't in the same realm. We're mid-low pack in that regard.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 12:28:52 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Shaq of the MAC wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

I would rather have a loyal, consistent head coach like Frank - than serve as a stop gap for young coaches like P.J. Fleck.

"A revolving door leads nowhere"

At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that there are two schools of thought on this, and neither is inherently "right" or inherently "wrong". As I understand it, when Hunter was fired, fan support took a hit, but there were some good coaches and good years that followed. Conversely, when Burke was fired, there were some bad coaches and bad years that followed, so it can work the other way, too, and Shaq gave some other examples of that as well.

Personally, I'm content to see how far Solich can take the program, but others are not, so I presume this is a debate that will never end, probably even after he retires. My view, as I have expressed before, is that I see evidence of continued improvement. Each year, facilities improve, and recruiting improves. There was an off-period in 2013-4, but it was better than the prior off-period, between 2007-8. Ohio is now back to winning East Championships, and really was a pretty good team this year, probably only a player away from winning the MAC. Could they have won it with Sprague? With OUellette? With a healthy Mayne Williams or Randy Stites? Perhaps, which only shows how close they are.

Next year promises to be a good year, too, so I look forward to it. The defensive line won't be as good, but the areas that were weak in this team will be stronger, and I expect a more balanced team with no weak spots.

Last Edited: 1/12/2017 12:30:51 PM by L.C.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 12:41:12 PM

L.C. wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Shaq of the MAC wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Sounds like Frank has the football equivalent of tenure -- automatic contract renewal each year. I'm sure some on this board are thrilled to learn about this arrangement.

I would rather have a loyal, consistent head coach like Frank - than serve as a stop gap for young coaches like P.J. Fleck.

"A revolving door leads nowhere"

Fan support took at hit primarily because we hired a man with the personality of a wet paper towel to replace him. I personally know close to a dozen people who purchased season tickets because they fired Larry, they were also the first to jump ship on Tim. The guy had a disdain for the community and he failed to hide it.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 1:21:25 PM

I am often amazed at some of the thinking (???) on this, a website 'affiliated with' an institution of education. More simply, what are some of you thinking?

1) First, expectations are different for football and hoops? Nonsense. The goal is what matters and that goal is to win. That might be why the games are played and score is kept. More specifically, being in the MAC, the goal is a MAC title.

That is the only expectation.

2) Wanting to see how far Solich can take us? Are you serious? It's been 12 years and you don't have the answer?

3) You wouldn't trade one MAC title in football due to the possibility of the coach who achieved that for us being lured away? After 47 years with no title, you'd let that tail wag the dog...you're more concerned with the coach being recruited away than the joy of winning a MACC?

4) Who gives a coach a contract that, after the first few years, rolls over automatically. Just do nothing ignore, don't address the situation...and it continues. It's a recipe for years and years of mediocre performance with boring and no MAC title.

The half dozen of you who always post about me posting the same thing and how empty of content my posts are--why don't you find something useful to do with your time. Or, you could actually respond intelligently (I'm being generous) to the four points above which are, at least, reasonably fair and relevant.

But, no, you'll bleat the usual sheep stuff that you are.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 2:15:12 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Monroe,
My question that I've asked you before is" what do you hope to achieve by your constant harping about our current situation?". If you think that Solich is leaving before he wants to, you are delusional. You are the one that is spending all your time (based on your number of posts)saying the same things over and over. To what end? We get your point. You are the one who needs to find something useful to do with your time it seems.

Last Edited: 1/12/2017 2:16:11 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 2:40:48 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Do not confuse goals and expectations. They are not synonyms. I'm sure the goal of every coach and team is to win a MACC (or should be). I'm sure that is not the expectation. You may have two children. the goal is for both to go to college. But the expectation may be for one to go to Duke and the other to go to East Carolina. Schaus has many children (programs/teams). The goal may be the same, expectation may not. In business, I may have many sales people. Goals and expectations differ by person.

Monroe Slavin wrote:

2) Wanting to see how far Solich can take us? Are you serious? It's been 12 years and you don't have the answer?

Per another thread, they did not know how far Snyder could take them at Kansas State. You beat the drum (per #1 above) MACC, MACC, MACC. Let's not change percussion instruments. Sometimes the answer comes late (and yes, sometimes it doesn't come at all)

Monroe Slavin wrote:

3) You wouldn't trade one MAC title in football due to the possibility of the coach who achieved that for us being lured away? After 47 years with no title, you'd let that tail wag the dog...you're more concerned with the coach being recruited away than the joy of winning a MACC?

Yes, it is about MACC. I agree with you on the trading of a migrant coach for a MACC. Odd thinking.

Monroe Slavin wrote:

4) Who gives a coach a contract that, after the first few years, rolls over automatically. Just do nothing ignore, don't address the situation...and it continues. It's a recipe for years and years of mediocre performance with boring and no MAC title.

His name is Jim Schaus. That is S C H A U S.

He is the Athletic Director at Ohio University and is responsible for the hiring and firing of the head coaches. He can be reached at:

(740) 593-0982. or by email at schaus@ohio.edu .

If slow mail is your thing:
Jim Schaus
Ohio University Intercollegiate Athletics
Convocation Center
Athens, Ohio 45701

You have made it clear that MACC is the single, most important goal. You have made it clear, crystal clear, that Solich can not and will not get us there. So like the person that ate at Frank's Restaurant and didn't like the fries, you go on Yelp and TripAdvisor (aka BobcatAttack)and complain about the soggy fries. What DO YOU HOPE to accomplish? What is your goal? Is it simply to have another poster agree the fries suck. "Hey honey, I just got another alum to admit the fries at Frank's are soggy." "That's great dear, now please move those boxes of dog sweaters out of the living room, my mother is coming this weekend and we need the space."

Instead of complaining on Yelp, why don't you take your concern to management/corporate. Jim Schaus. Unless your expectation is he will ignore you. Which circles back to....what is your goal?

By the way, I would suggest sending Schaus a letter. My experience finds you are pretty likely to get a response.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 3:05:11 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

What I hope to achieve is a consensus agreement on what 1) seems obvious and 2) seems most likely to get us a MAC title, which is the goal.

Maybe if enough people ake noise here, maybe if people here share their dissatisaction with OHIO people who are not on this board, we can bring about a change.

I realize that my point of view is not likely to change 1) those who continue to disagree and 2) our coaching. As far as those who disagree, the facts (yearly record, no MACC) keep being against them so, I hope, that I can make them see the obvious.

But likelihood of lack of change will not stop me from advocating re something that is dear to me, that I believe strongly in, that I care about.

I very seriously doubt that I'll renew my five season tickets that I've had for years (though I've rarely been able to get in for the games due to living in Los Angeles). I'll give the funds that I would have spent on tickets to the School of Accountancy.

Maybe attendance will diminish and send a message that what we are is not enough.

Not advocating for needed change is to accept the status quo mediocre.
I regret that I don't have the funds to cover the costs of any change...but that common truth will not stop me from what I think is right.

By the way, if I did stop advocating, the truth of what we are would remain. That is, I'm not the problem. The problem is the problem.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 3:24:34 PM

I'm all for advocating for an injustice, or need for change. But don't give me this, "maybe I can start a movement" of some sort. Especially if you have not "gone to corporate."

Reach out to Schaus. He is at the root of your problem. He controls the "problem" as you see it. He determines if Frank coaches or not. Let him know you think the fries at Frank's are soggy and you just can't take it anymore. Don't wait to cancel your tickets to voice your opinion - that is a cop out. And certainly don't cancel your tickets without personally reaching out to Schaus. Sit down this weekend (when your significant other's mom is in town - lol) and write him a personal note telling him you thank Frank for his service, but are convinced Frank is not going to take us to the promise land - an MACC. And further that he (Schaus) needs to make the tough decision to let Frank go -- Or, you will be placed in the situation of making the tough decision of letting your tickets and support go...elsewhere in the university.

You are correct. Everyone knows your view (how could we not). Everyone has their own view. You are not going to start any type of groundswell, on this board, and certainly not beyond the board (for reasons I have articulated too many times already). So take your concerns to the top - that is where the decisions are made. Frank is on a rolling contract. We are not talking a difficult "buyout" any longer. This is not about money.

And Monroe, don't let Schaus dismiss you. Let him know that you have watched almost every Ohio football game since you have graduated. That you watch film. That you have put almost every skill player through your "eye test." And that you often review games play by play and can point to plays in almost every game (especially the losses - the so many losses) where Frank and his staff are not making the right call.

If you are going to be an advocate, don't complain in the parking lot. Take it to the man!!!

Last Edited: 1/12/2017 3:40:36 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 4:01:16 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I realize that my point of view is not likely to change 1) those who continue to disagree and 2) our coaching.

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Something we can agree on.

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 4:39:45 PM

What I find comical is the amount of people that continue to ask Monroe why he keeps pounding the MACC drum?

Isn't that the same thing?

Do you think repeatedly responding to him and arguing with him is going to change his view?

Ummm. No. I think it's pretty obvious he is sticking to his guns.

But for whatever reason folks keep responding....over...and over...and over to him wondering when he is going to stop.

Psssst. He won't. Not until we win a MACC (and we damn well should've won one by now in 12 years!!!!)

Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Last Edited: 1/12/2017 4:40:01 PM by bshot44

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 5:05:43 PM

I have no issue with Monroe pounding the same drum over and over. But he pounds it at every turn. There are places it makes sense, and places it does not. We don't necessarily need more cowbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kx9MdYYx7o

And you are correct - responding to him and arguing with him is not going to change his view - nor is his pounding the drum over and over going to change anyone - though that is now his stated objective.

No, I have no issue with Monroe pounding the same drum - but he is beating his drum to the wrong audience. He needs to play it for the orchestra leader, not a bunch of guys in the parking lot. Get off of Yelp and call corporate.

#enoughcowbell

Last Edited: 1/12/2017 5:06:53 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 7:33:59 PM

bshot44 wrote:

I really don't care what his opinion is but what I take issue with is the 8,500 posts trying to "win" everyone over to his side. Many times hijacking threads to accomplish it or bumping his own threads that no one has responded to. It's juvenile and stupid. He just admitted in this thread that he's trying to get everyone to think the way he does...wow!

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RE: Solich contract?

Posted: 1/12/2017 7:35:35 PM

cc-cat wrote:

You are BA'er of the year in my book. I would have no problem with you posting 8,500 times. #voiceofreason

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