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Alan Swank
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Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 9:17:34 AM

Read this in the morning paper. Pretty interesting comments on quite a few topics related to bowls.

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2016/12/2...

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 9:22:29 AM

Dustin Fox has the right view on this.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 10:14:40 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

Dustin Fox has the right view on this.

That some bowls are "meaningless?" That's one of the things he said.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:13:12 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Dustin Fox has the right view on this.

That some bowls are "meaningless?" That's one of the things he said.

They are.

If you're Leonard Fournette, who is probably a Top 10 Draft Pick even with his injury issues, what's the point in playing Louisville in the Citrus Bowl when any of the following could possibly happen?

-career-ending injury which leads to not getting drafted

-career-changing injury which leads to depleted draft stock

-more wear and tear on a body that's already been put through the ringer in one of the hardest hitting conferences in college football

-more wear and tear on the brain, because concussions and head trauma actually do cause problems later on in life

Playing in the Citrus Bowl holds virtually no value to him. He's shown what he can do at the college level against top competition. What more would a good to great performance in this game prove what we already know? He's making the smart financial and health conscious decision.

Had this game had some actual meaning to it (Playoff, NY6) I could see the reason for staying and playing, but not for this game. But the Citrus Bowl essentially is meaningless for a guy like him.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:22:22 PM

So much for taking one for the team. What a sham college sports have become.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:35:41 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Had this game had some actual meaning to it (Playoff, NY6) I could see the reason for staying and playing, but not for this game. But the Citrus Bowl essentially is meaningless for a guy like him.

In the context of this discussion, how do the NY6 games have any more meaning than the other bowls?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:43:14 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Dustin Fox has the right view on this.

That some bowls are "meaningless?" That's one of the things he said.

This kind of thinking is what makes sports insanely depressing to me these days. LeBron needing days off and not even traveling with the team depresses me. A kid who has received a free education and used a university to get to where he's at skipping a bowl game depresses me. Kids specializing in one sport in high school so they can "focus" towards college and the pros depresses me. If I were an NFL coach I would think twice about Fournette for him doing this in the first place. If he's not willing to play one more game for LSU, what's he going to do when he "tweaks" an ankle or doesn't want to fly across country for a game? I want the iron man. I want the tough guy. This reaks of a lack of toughness.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:49:20 PM

Wait until someone skips a whole season.

I blame the NFL three years after high school to enter draft rule.

I've got no problem with it.

I would draft both these kids. But, not with a top 10 pick. WR and RB aren't worth it.

Last Edited: 12/20/2016 2:51:43 PM by Ohio69

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:51:17 PM

SBH wrote:

So much for taking one for the team. What a sham college sports have become.

Easy for you to say when you're not the one risking your body or earning potential.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 2:57:23 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

...If I were an NFL coach I would think twice about Fournette for him doing this in the first place.....

Indeed, this is the flip side.

In any case, it's hard to fault the players, though, when the coaches started it first. If coaches can head off to a better job, rather that working a "meaningless bowl", why can't players do the same?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 3:02:26 PM

How many millions of dollars has Stanford and LSU made off of Fournette and McCaffrey? Is the NCAA going to cover their backs if they suffer a debilitating knee injury? Why should they be held to a different standard than coaches?

I don't see this as a character flaw or lack of toughness at all. If anything, they are being smart.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 3:12:58 PM

Morris Mound wrote:

SBH wrote:

So much for taking one for the team. What a sham college sports have become.

Easy for you to say when you're not the one risking your body or earning potential.

I'm sure there is a sizable policy on file at Lloyd's protecting against career ending injury

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 3:32:55 PM

Who gets to determine whether a bowl is meaningless? I know the networks all have their talking heads who will try to tell us which have meaning and which ones don't. Sounds like a matter of opinion. People act as if the mid-major who went 9-3 should apologize because there are too many bowls. But there are "too many bowls" because instead of putting the right and most deserving teams in bowls, they just created more bowls to allow undeserving teams to keep going to existing bowls due to conf affiliation.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 3:37:07 PM

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can you say that they have made millions from that one player? Big time schools have built in and almost guaranteed income. Yes, it relies on having good players, but does it rely specifically on them? Did they make more because Fournette was there? Can you quantify that? Subtract the value of a five-year free ride to Stanford (what, 250k?)

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 3:58:45 PM

Let's say these weren't football players. Instead, let's imagine they are, oh, graduating MBAs with lucrative Wall Street/financial industry careers ahead of them.

And instead of a bowl game, let's make it, oh, a trip to Vegas to celebrate graduation with the boys.

The guy with the inside edge on the best job gets a letter from his prospective employer, inviting him to an on-site interview 2 days after the Vegas trip.

Sure, the guy can go to Vegas, have a perfectly good time, be in a great mental state for the interview, nail it, and get the job of a lifetime.

Or maybe he gives into peer pressure a little bit, drinks too much, gambles too much, loses his shirt, is totally distraught, and embarrasses himself to the employer.

Would you criticize the guy for telling his buddies, "Hey guys, I love you all, but I gotta take care of business first. Hsve fun, and the first round is on me"?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 4:33:26 PM

Your scenario skips the whole part about the guy's education being paid for in return for his participation in such activities. Plus the new stipend, of course.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 5:56:56 PM

SBH wrote:

Your scenario skips the whole part about the guy's education being paid for in return for his participation in such activities. Plus the new stipend, of course.

Ah, the new $2500 per year per kid stipend. I bet our county prosecutor appreciates the $7500 that the athletics department just sent him.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 6:59:36 PM

Quite frankly, I don't think Fournette is that good. He's just another SEC pretty boy running back that when he runs into a defense he doesn't do squat. I'm sorry, I think he's overhyped.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 7:11:19 PM

I have no problem with a player sitting out of a meaningless bowl game if it looks like he has the potential to get drafted for millions of dollars. I would not risk my potential earnings just so other people can make money on me. Sorry. That's the way I see it.

I'm sensing this Gladiator philosophy that we want to see these men battle on the field of play regardless of risk. And if they get injured and lose the potential to earn millions? Well, they had their education paid for. Or maybe an insurance policy covers them. We deserve to see them play.

When coaches can bolt their college teams before bowl games to make millions elsewhere and are praised for taking it to the next level, we criticize the athletes for essentially doing the same thing?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 7:58:39 PM

The blame is TV and especially ESPN/Disney.
Games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, six win season celebrations are regression to the mean of a unsustainable buffet of substandard fare.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 8:26:15 PM

Bruce Arians is not a fan, apparently.

I'm OK with a player sitting out the bowl game.

I'm also OK with an NFL team lowering that player on their draft board as a consequence or taking him off their board altogether.

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 8:35:54 PM

As Billy pointed out above, the part of the discussion related to "the risk of injury" versus the "potential earnings from being drafted high" isn't really relevant. These kids have an insurance policy to protect against that risk.

I'll ask again, though, if coaches can leave before their season is complete, why can't kids do the same?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 8:40:32 PM

SBH wrote:

Your scenario skips the whole part about the guy's education being paid for in return for his participation in such activities. Plus the new stipend, of course.

Are you serious?

This sit out is being done by guys who have MILLIONS (MANY) at stake. I don't like the sitting out but the risk of injury and accompanying potential loss of the MILLIONS (VERY MANY) absolutely makes sitting out a reasonably smart decision.

Of course, losing some of that 2500 or 7500 stipend needs to be compared to the MILLIONS (MANY MANY). Which is larger 7500 or a figure with six or seven zeroes after it?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 10:53:16 PM

I recently caught Mike Golic on his Mike and Mike morning show talking about it. He said it would not be in his nature to ever skip a game and let down his team. I am glad someone still thinks this way. A couple of points; if I am an NFL GM and a kid is taking a pass, I wonder what else will he take a pass on? Some NFL GM's and coaches have total different opinions. I seem to remember a story from a couple of years ago about the Patriots and Belichick being upset at some WR draft prospect from Notre Dame who was finishing his degree at the school Spring semester by taking a chemistry class, which was all he needed to graduate. Others GM's and coaches love the fact the the kid stuck it out and finished the class. Two total different ways of looking at things. One other thing to consider, some of these colleges, especially places like Stanford don't come cheap. I bet a lot of kids would love to have a free four stint at Stanford.

Correct me if I am wrong, didn't Willis McGahee get injured against Ohio State in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. Didn't his mother take out a pretty extensive insurance policy on him? These policies have been available for a long time. I don't know what brought all of this on now?

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RE: Skipping bowl games

Posted: 12/20/2016 11:27:39 PM

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Yes Loyd's of London will insure anything, but it is expensive and it does not replace experience. That being said, I am against players skipping games, but I somewhat understand.

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