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Monroe Slavin
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TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 3:01:42 AM

It continues.

This year worse (8-6) than last year (8-5) despite about 10 guys who made All-MAC.

So, those of you who told us all this year about 'improving'--WRONG.

Troy--Another unremarkable qb who rips us through the air. How many, many times have seen that? It will continue.

Funny. Only in the good Tyler Tettleton time in the whole of Solich's 12 years has an OHIO qb ripped anone through the air for a W. Wouldn't it be nice to see an OHIO qb rip thru the air, leading to an OHIO win.

Why didn't we stick with one running back today? Was Dorian Brown hurt? If not, he should have gotten 90% of the carries.

Typical Solich time management. The worst. We had a 4th and about 2 from about their 30 with 10 minutes left inthe 4th quarter, down 28-20. Our D was playing quite well. HOW DO WE NOT GO FOR IT ON 4TH DOWN there? Instead, missed field goal and they get the ball at our 30. We stopped them on 3 plays and they punt. Going for it on fourth down there was the easy, obvious choice. Three points still leave us needing a td and missing the field goal still gives them the ball at their 30.

Our 2nd last drive started at our 44 with 7:47 to go in the game and us down 28-20. You'd think we go hurry-up, you would (really, you would) think that we'd show some clock urgency. We showed none at all, letting all kinds of time run off play after play before we snapped it. Because that's Solich ball.

Our last possession and a 2nd down completion for 11 yards ending out of bounds and a first down at about our 26, down 28-23. Again, we don't rush back to the line to get a snap off quickly to preserve clock.

Same movie will happen next year but worse for losing Reid (player of the game) and smith, uncertain qb, losing All-MAC talent on defense and other teams in the East getting better.

Sure, next year will be different. Sure it will.

Where's the band?!
WHERE"S THE BAND?!

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 3:04:39 AM

With love and unlimited amusement, I await all the replies about what a good year this was (hey, all the losses were close!), how we really are improving, how next year will be different, how next year we'll MACC.

News for ya, kid: Attendance live and, probably, ticket sales, are about to dwindle if nothing changes.

First evidence is the lack of posts on these threads around this year's bowl game.

Yawn city here.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 1:06:32 PM

And it starts: Thank you to at least one poster who, in another thread, pointed to all of this year's losses as being close as a good, good sign.

Last Edited: 12/24/2016 1:07:36 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 2:24:51 PM

The weak part of your argument is the assumption that changing coaches will automatically ensure greater success. Frank Solich compiled a 33-5 record from 1999-2002 at Nebraska, yet they fired him anyway, after a 10-3 season in 2003. In the intervening 12 years, and 3 head coaches, and some off-the-field drama, Nebraska has never failed to lose at least 4 games! This streak will end if they can beat Tennessee in the mighty Music City Bowl to equal the mark of Solich's final season.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 3:00:12 PM

CatFud wrote:

But what about all the conference championships they have won? What, no, wait, never mind.

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 6:37:48 PM

I cannot tell you how little I think of the 'don't change the mediocre results we're getting because we could end up with even worse results' argument.

That argument really holds water in corporate America, doesn't it...just a business bedrock principle?!

But you're right. There would be no divorce in America if everyone bought your thought.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 7:09:56 PM

I claim no expertise in business or marraige, and I clearly I missed the announcement that Ohio University is now operating as a for-profit corporation.

What I do know is that Solich has the highest winning percentage at Ohio in the post-WWII era.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/24/2016 7:59:05 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

That argument really holds water in corporate America, doesn't it...just a business bedrock principle?!

So you prefer something like this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oracles-ellison-hps-board-mad... /

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 12:34:44 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

CatFud wrote:

But what about all the conference championships they have won? What, no, wait, never mind.

Quit comparing Ohio to Nebraska. We're not competing with O$U, UM, MSU, PSU, Wisky, etc.

We're in the freakin MAC. And in the MAC East...arguably the worst division in all of FBS.

WE ARE the O$U of the league. We have superior facilities, campus, fan support,visibility than most teams in the league. ....yet, here we are after another 8-6 season patting ourselves in the back because we had 6 close losses.

Nebraska is living in an alternative universe if they think they're still up there with those premier teams in B1G. It isn't the 80s & 90s anymore...NU will always be 2nd tier in B1G.

No reason for Ohio to be 2nd tier in the MAC. None.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 2:53:49 AM

Huh--For profit or non-profit, doesn't an organization strive for the best success?

Just because one hire doesn't work out means that one should never get rid of a hire which isn't working out--really?

You're better than that...we're better than that--I sure hope.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 4:19:20 PM

Monroe, patience, my man. Solich will retire at some point, and then you'll get your successor, and then we'll all find out what happens.

Merry Christmas, and Happy Hanukkah to all.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 5:24:28 PM

Happy Holidays, L.C.!

My goal is a MACC. Your thought elevates employment of this staff over that.

Not acceptable. Not sensible. Not fair.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 7:21:56 PM

No, Monroe. My priority is to enjoy the present, and see the good in what I have, rather than always focusing on what I don't have. I've been fans of teams that weren't good, and fans of teams that won championships. At the end of the day it was their achievement, not mine, and my life was no better or worse off based on the outcome. Either way, at the end of the season, I always looked forward with hope and anticipation to next season.

Here's to happiness to all in 2017, and may peace and goodwill dominate.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 7:26:41 PM

As a fan of OHIO FOOTBALL, I root for OHIO FOOTBALL to achieve the over-riding, most obvious goal: a MAC title.

If that can be achieved with SOlich and staff, that's fine.

Sadly, Solich and staff have had 12 years and thoroughly proved that they cannot get it.

TOS to OHIO

ObviOUs call.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 10:28:51 PM

L.C. wrote:

+1

As frequently happens, L.C. expresses my thoughts better than I could. Or, at least better than I have recently. Like L.C. I am an optimist. I'm very encouraged by the JUCO QB that we just signed to an LOI. I look forward to a great season in 2017 and a return to the MACC as the clear favorite to win it. (Have we ever been the favorite before?) Firing Frank now, as some clearly want to do, would be counterproductive. He is building the foundation of a program that can continue to progress for years in the future. IF we fired FS now, we'd be wanting to hire him back in a few years as Kansas State did with Snyder. TS pointed this out last year in some detail in one of his posts. I'm very glad that the call on this matter is in Jim Schaus' hands and not those of the BA lynch mob.

Anyone who can't see the improvement in this year's team over last year's team just doesn't have their head screwed on right. I'm not talking about W/L, but about the overall performance, the closeness of games (win or lose) and the mental toughness.

In answer to the question about which games we have won by good coaching, I'd say there are too many to single any one out; however, one that comes to mind that was perhaps emblematic of the others, would be the Penn State game.

In short, I'm not happy with the bowl or MACC losses. I'm upset with the five turnovers in the bowl game. But, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm anxious for the spring game and to see with my own eyes how good the JUCO QB is, as he is enrolling for the upcoming semester.

GO OHIO!

Last Edited: 12/25/2016 10:30:25 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/25/2016 11:51:39 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/26/2016 1:50:00 PM

L.C. wrote:

I understand, in the sense that we all want to see the good.

But that can't be the sole--or even main--viewpoint. Because it leads to accepting our record no matter what.

Even the most resistant here (well, almost) finally got on board with seeing that, sadly, Brian Knorr couldn't get the job done.

Mead ee ocre.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/27/2016 1:16:44 PM

It entirely depends on your view of what �success� is. If it�s being competitive, having a winning record, putting fans in the seats and going to a bowl then why change anything? If you believe success is winning a championship and/or winning a bowl game then this coaching staff is simply not turning the corner. It�s a very similar situation to what has happened and is currently happening in Cincinnati with the Reds and Bengals. Dusty Baker got the Reds to the playoffs, but could not get over the hump. He was canned and now they stink. Marvin Lewis can�t get his team over the hump, but keeps his job because the team was so bad prior to him getting there that just making the playoffs is a great achievement. They are afraid of falling back into the �bad days�. I agreed and still agree with the Reds decision because it is worth taking a chance to try and win a championship rather than stand by just making the playoffs.

Personally, I�m in the camp of the goal of every season is to win a championship. It was clear Dusty couldn�t, and it�s clear Lewis can�t. In the case of the Bengals they are actually starting to regress. Do you get rid of someone who is consistent knowing you�ll never win the championship, or take the chance and bring in someone new knowing you could falter? College football sets it up nicely for coaches to claim success by going to meaningless bowl games year after year. Coaches who resurrect programs (like Solich, Frank Beamer, Bill Snyder, etc) become fixtures because so much is owed to them for finally bringing stability and success to a program that did not have it. At what point, though, do you become less scared about falling into the �old days� vs trying to take the next step into a building a championship program? Is it risky? Of course, but going 9-4 or 8-5 and losing conference championships and bowl games year in and year out doesn�t seem that interesting to me anymore. Those two runs the Cats made under Jim Groce were much more memorable to me than those years of consistent marginal success under Larry Hunter. I�d rather being a stepping stone for a coach than a tombstone for one.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/27/2016 2:15:24 PM

L.C. wrote:

Nice post, and nice way to look at it LC.

I'd add, or counter, with one thought. When my teams win, or are fun to watch, my life is a little better because of them assuming I've invested the time and emotions in supporting said team(s). Ohio Basketball, and to a little lesser extent, Ohio Football certainly fall in this category. The Sweet 16 run, and the first bowl win of my lifetime at the Idaho Potato Bowl, for a brief period of time, did make my life better, in my opinion.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/27/2016 2:31:42 PM

Maryland Bobcat wrote:

I think it was discussed in another thread at another time about what success looks like for Ohio. For me, no matter what, winning the MACC in Detroit will always be more important than winning a bowl game, unless it's bigger, New Year's 6 game. Winning in Detroit should mean more for both the program and fans & Alumni than a Dollar General Bowl type of game.

But that doesn't mean that not winning the MAC Championship would make me title the season an unsuccessful one. If this team would have gone 10-2 and lost by a hair to WMU in Detroit, I'd have called it a successful year. The loss to open the season vs Texas State, and the performance vs EMU would make my opinion that this wasn't a successful one based on the team's goals. They were damn close though.

So, for myself, I'd call this a disappointing season, but that doesn't surprise me. Many of us said a year ago that the biggest issues facing this program revolve around the QB position, and the OC and his group. I'm of the opinion that not only is that still a big issue, but it's also obvious not much has changed on the coaching staff. Frankly, unless Maxwell takes steps forward, or one of the incoming recruits surprises, my expectation for next year really won't be much different than this year. If the offensive coaching staff and approach remain the same, so should my expectations. Pretty simple.

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/27/2016 11:13:19 PM

Maryland Bobcat wrote:

What would a MACC do for it?

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RE: TOS to OHIO

Posted: 12/28/2016 9:09:18 AM

Maryland Bobcat wrote:

I�d rather being a stepping stone for a coach than a tombstone for one.

Great line! Perfect analogy to where Ohio job is right now.

8-6 losing MACC & Bowl is getting boring to watch, especially the way they do it.

Groundhog's Day

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