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I fear otherwise we will be subjected to the mantra that we don't belong and or we are below the American, CUSA, Sun Belt etc. Needless to say, this doesn't help recruiting. Come on Broncos, we need you! Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,639 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 2:59:19 PM  If you base the conference's worth on the basis of a minimal subset of made for TV exhibitions, you're in error. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 3:03:19 PM  Try giving that egghead response to football recruits and potential coaching hires. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,639 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 3:17:17 PM  I have yet to see a tweet reading, "Blessed to receive my 11th offer from the University of Ohio, but the Dollar General Bowl was trash." Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 3:35:31 PM  So losing every bowl game makes no difference? Competition, winning and not losing is what drives athletes. They could care less if the games were organized by the NCAA, techy nerds at MIT, or the Ziegfield Follies, it's all about competing, winning and not losing. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 4:39:46 PM  Losing every bowl game won't partic hurt recruiting but it does somewhat speak to the quality of MAC ball. WMU played a fine game. My only two beefs: 1) WMU gets ball down 17-7 with about 30 seconds to go in the first half and lets clock run out. Ohio did about the same thing in its bowl vs. Troy, down 21=17. But WMU was set to receive he 2nd half kickoff, Ohio wasn't. 1) Who was it who faulted OHIO's lack of clock urgency/hurry-up over the last 10 minutes of the game...as the 'nouncers did repeatedly for WMU taking about 7 minutes to score a td upon taking possession with about 11 minutes to go and down 24-10? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 5:21:10 PM  One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Last Edited: 1/2/2017 5:21:52 PM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 8:30:59 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Especially when Sun Belt went 4-2. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/2/2017 9:43:10 PM  Yes and I am afraid after the MAC and the Big Ten's bowl record we are going to be in for some insufferable commentary about how the SEC, PAC 12 and even the Sun Belt (in the non-Power 5) is so superior to football in the Midwest and all other sectors of the country. With apologies to Michael Corleone, just when we thought we were out, they pull us back into the football doghouse! Last Edited: 1/2/2017 9:43:54 PM by cbus cat fan Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/3/2017 7:16:08 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Honestly, who even knows that? In how many of those games was the MAC team favored and wound up losing to an underdog? More over, in how many of those games did an underdog MAC team give the favored team more than they wanted? In the games I saw, Ohio & Western, neither team really hurt their reputation with anyone who was really watching. JMHO. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,196 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/3/2017 7:40:25 AM  Bcat2 wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Honestly, who even knows that? In how many of those games was the MAC team favored and wound up losing to an underdog? More over, in how many of those games did an underdog MAC team give the favored team more than they wanted? In the games I saw, Ohio & Western, neither team really hurt their reputation with anyone who was really watching. JMHO. Uhh a lot of people keep track of conference bowl records. You think the Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 or ACC isn't going to remind all those Big Ten recruits, "hey, the Big Ten East Division went 0-5 in bowl games, so why would you wanna play there?" I'm sure it happens in the MAC, Sun Belt and everywhere else too. What if Ohio is fighting an AAC team for a recruit and they toss out the bowl game numbers? Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/3/2017 8:12:45 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Honestly, who even knows that? In how many of those games was the MAC team favored and wound up losing to an underdog? More over, in how many of those games did an underdog MAC team give the favored team more than they wanted? In the games I saw, Ohio & Western, neither team really hurt their reputation with anyone who was really watching. JMHO. Uhh a lot of people keep track of conference bowl records. You think the Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 or ACC isn't going to remind all those Big Ten recruits, "hey, the Big Ten East Division went 0-5 in bowl games, so why would you wanna play there?" I'm sure it happens in the MAC, Sun Belt and everywhere else too. What if Ohio is fighting an AAC team for a recruit and they toss out the bowl game numbers? Fine, that was all good, now about the projected damage to reputation? In how many games were the MAC team favored and which teams lost to an underdog? So which teams embarrassed themselves against some inferior opponent? "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,196 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/3/2017 8:15:38 AM  Bcat2 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Honestly, who even knows that? In how many of those games was the MAC team favored and wound up losing to an underdog? More over, in how many of those games did an underdog MAC team give the favored team more than they wanted? In the games I saw, Ohio & Western, neither team really hurt their reputation with anyone who was really watching. JMHO. Uhh a lot of people keep track of conference bowl records. You think the Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 or ACC isn't going to remind all those Big Ten recruits, "hey, the Big Ten East Division went 0-5 in bowl games, so why would you wanna play there?" I'm sure it happens in the MAC, Sun Belt and everywhere else too. What if Ohio is fighting an AAC team for a recruit and they toss out the bowl game numbers? Fine, that was all good, now about the projected damage to reputation? In how many games were the MAC team favored and which teams lost to an underdog? So which teams embarrassed themselves against some inferior opponent? I don't think it has anything to do with losing to inferior opponents, but it has a lot to do with losing to your peers who you would like to measure yourself against. If you continuously and consistently lose to peer programs on a regular basis, then that doesn't look good for your program. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Needs a Western Michigan Win    Posted: 1/3/2017 8:48:28 PM  Bcat2 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: One has to admit, an 0-6 bowl record is not a good look for the MAC nor does it do a lot for its football reputation. Honestly, who even knows that? In how many of those games was the MAC team favored and wound up losing to an underdog? More over, in how many of those games did an underdog MAC team give the favored team more than they wanted? In the games I saw, Ohio & Western, neither team really hurt their reputation with anyone who was really watching. JMHO. Uhh a lot of people keep track of conference bowl records. You think the Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 or ACC isn't going to remind all those Big Ten recruits, "hey, the Big Ten East Division went 0-5 in bowl games, so why would you wanna play there?" I'm sure it happens in the MAC, Sun Belt and everywhere else too. What if Ohio is fighting an AAC team for a recruit and they toss out the bowl game numbers? Fine, that was all good, now about the projected damage to reputation? In how many games were the MAC team favored and which teams lost to an underdog? So which teams embarrassed themselves against some inferior opponent? At a minimum, pulling an oh-fear certainly doesn't ENHANCE the MAC's football reputation. EMU losing to a school that didn't even field an FBS team several years ago doesn't advance the MAC's reputation. 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