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  Message Not Read  Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/16/2016 11:03:45 PM 
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/...

BOWL ELIGIBILITY
With their win at Toledo, Ohio became bowl eligible for the eighth straight season which leads the Mid-American Conference. Only 15 teams have
longer bowl eligible streaks than Ohio, with Florida State leading the country with 34 years of bowl eligibility.
1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
T2. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T2. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
T2. Central Michigan - 3 years (2014-2015)*
*Bowl Eligible this year

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RB 1. D. Brown, 2. M. Irons
Z-WR 1. Papi White
RCB 1. Nelson, 2. Fox
LCB 1. Ellis, 2. L. Miller

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/17/2016 9:59:23 AM 
Bowl eligibility is not a 34 year old concept. And being eligible and going are two different things. Even in sports we have adapted the language of politics to shape a message that doesn't tell the whole story. Has the American populace really become that stupid.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/17/2016 11:17:11 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bowl eligibility is not a 34 year old concept. And being eligible and going are two different things. Even in sports we have adapted the language of politics to shape a message that doesn't tell the whole story. Has the American populace really become that stupid.


This bowl stat is more straight forward than bragging about some low unemployment stat that has no connection to participation in the work force. When we are participating in the work force about the same as France and trending down, we have a "national problem." Participating in the hijacking my own thread, I have a problem.



Last Edited: 12/17/2016 11:18:42 AM by Bcat2

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   Posted: 12/17/2016 11:54:07 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bowl eligibility is not a 34 year old concept. And being eligible and going are two different things. Even in sports we have adapted the language of politics to shape a message that doesn't tell the whole story. Has the American populace really become that stupid.


This bowl stat is more straight forward than bragging about some low unemployment stat that has no connection to participation in the work force. When we are participating in the work force about the same as France and trending down, we have a "national problem." Participating in the hijacking my own thread, I have a problem.





I thought our left coast friend Monroe was the only one who hijacked his own threads. :)
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   Posted: 12/17/2016 11:58:52 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bowl eligibility is not a 34 year old concept. And being eligible and going are two different things. Even in sports we have adapted the language of politics to shape a message that doesn't tell the whole story. Has the American populace really become that stupid.


This bowl stat is more straight forward than bragging about some low unemployment stat that has no connection to participation in the work force. When we are participating in the work force about the same as France and trending down, we have a "national problem." Participating in the hijacking my own thread, I have a problem.





I thought our left coast friend Monroe was the only one who hijacked his own threads. :)



Note, me "participating" someone else earlier brought "the language of politics" to the discussion.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/17/2016 1:08:09 PM 
Getting the thread back on track, while bowl games are much easier to get onto today than they were a decade ago, it's worth pointing out that only about a third of all G5 teams are Bowl eligible in any given year.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/17/2016 2:30:41 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bowl eligibility is not a 34 year old concept. And being eligible and going are two different things. Even in sports we have adapted the language of politics to shape a message that doesn't tell the whole story. Has the American populace really become that stupid.


This bowl stat is more straight forward than bragging about some low unemployment stat that has no connection to participation in the work force. When we are participating in the work force about the same as France and trending down, we have a "national problem." Participating in the hijacking my own thread, I have a problem.






You are a parody.

You wouldn't come off your viewpoints ever.

The last eight years of recovery never happened, did they.

There's no discussion if one side won't acknowledge facts, all facts.






Last Edited: 12/17/2016 2:31:24 PM by Monroe Slavin

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/17/2016 4:42:53 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Getting the thread back on track, while bowl games are much easier to get onto today than they were a decade ago, it's worth pointing out that only about a third of all G5 teams are Bowl eligible in any given year.


One of the reasons is that the other schools won't come play at a lesser schools stadium as evidenced by this article. If this isn't a very good indicator of the pipe dream of conferences like the MAC making the big time, I don't know what is.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/texas-woul... /
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/18/2016 9:12:32 AM 
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/18/2016 12:20:40 PM 
Well stated and logical.





Which won't dissuade the SFB from point to recent bowl eligibility as an accomplishment to be revered.







Last Edited: 12/18/2016 12:21:41 PM by Monroe Slavin

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 12:27:05 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....


You know I get that, yet, Ohio has a streak of eight and the next best in the MAC are three tied at three.

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 12:47:40 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....

Why aren't teams like Bg, Kent, Miami, Akron, and Buffalo bowl eligible every year? They play in the miserable East, too, so they should all be bowl eligible every year, right?

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 12:50:06 PM 
How many of those teams have had the same coach for 12 years with that coach never having lost less than 4 games in any of those seasons?






You may now go back to your regularly scheduled clinging to the highest praise of mediocrity.






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   Posted: 12/18/2016 1:19:04 PM 
Miami and Bowling Green have great traditions of winning, so why can't they go bowling every year, from the lowly East? Buffalo is premier branch of the State University of New York, and one of only two Division 1 teams in the state, so surely they can do it, playing in the lowly East. Akron has a beautiful new on campus stadium, a great IPF, and a coaching staff with two famous names, so why aren't they going bowling every year? It's only the MAC East, after all? If you're going to make the "It's only the MAC East" argument, you need to be able to answer this question, or the argument fails. Sorry.

It's all good, though. All streaks end, and the day will come when Ohio's string of bowl eligible seasons ends. My recommendation is to enjoy it while it lasts. I know that some are too busy finding things to complain about to enjoy much of anything, but the rest of us don't have to dwell in the negative with them.

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 1:35:44 PM 
L.C. wrote:
. . . . My recommendation is to enjoy it while it lasts. I know that some are too busy finding things to complain about to enjoy much of anything, but the rest of us don't have to dwell in the negative with them.


+1

Some believe that to provide an outlet for complaining is why God invented messages boards. Or, was it Al Gore who invented message boards? It's easy for some folks to confuse the two. ;-)

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 4:22:45 PM 
L.C. wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....

Why aren't teams like Bg, Kent, Miami, Akron, and Buffalo bowl eligible every year? They play in the miserable East, too, so they should all be bowl eligible every year, right?


Because they, win the MAC and their coaches leave and when their coaches leave, players transfer, like the mass exodus at BUGS

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 4:46:42 PM 
allen wrote:
L.C. wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....

Why aren't teams like Bg, Kent, Miami, Akron, and Buffalo bowl eligible every year? They play in the miserable East, too, so they should all be bowl eligible every year, right?


Because they, win the MAC and their coaches leave and when their coaches leave, players transfer, like the mass exodus at BUGS


Very valid point. I would also say that they generally play a tougher non-conference schedule. Kent has both Clemson and Louisville next year.
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   Posted: 12/18/2016 5:09:50 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
allen wrote:
L.C. wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....

Why aren't teams like Bg, Kent, Miami, Akron, and Buffalo bowl eligible every year? They play in the miserable East, too, so they should all be bowl eligible every year, right?


Because they, win the MAC and their coaches leave and when their coaches leave, players transfer, like the mass exodus at BUGS


Very valid point. I would also say that they generally play a tougher non-conference schedule. Kent has both Clemson and Louisville next year.



+1

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   Posted: 12/18/2016 8:38:09 PM 
Because they win the MACC.



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   Posted: 12/18/2016 9:36:02 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
allen wrote:
L.C. wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....

Why aren't teams like Bg, Kent, Miami, Akron, and Buffalo bowl eligible every year? They play in the miserable East, too, so they should all be bowl eligible every year, right?


Because they, win the MAC and their coaches leave and when their coaches leave, players transfer, like the mass exodus at BUGS


Very valid point. I would also say that they generally play a tougher non-conference schedule. Kent has both Clemson and Louisville next year.



And have you seen the non-conference schedules BG has played and has lined up over the next several years (link below)? BG has Power 5 teams all over the place! Last year BG played 3 Power 5 teams - all on the road - and their lone home game was against a very good Memphis team with an NFL QB. This past year BG played Ohio State, Memphis and Middle Tennessee, all which have 8 wins or better and all are in bowls and even their FCS opponent North Dakota was seeded #7 in the FCS playoffs. BG will play 2 Big Ten teams on the road next year (plus a road game at MTSU) and has 3 Power 5 games in both 2018 AND 2019! Their non-conference schedules are no joke!!!

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer/bowling-green-fa...


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl vs Troy Game Notes
   Posted: 12/20/2016 8:37:02 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bowl eligibility is not a 34 year old concept. And being eligible and going are two different things. Even in sports we have adapted the language of politics to shape a message that doesn't tell the whole story. Has the American populace really become that stupid.


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   Posted: 12/20/2016 10:21:53 AM 
Double yes.


In fact, the definition of facts and information has changed. And, they are no longer really relevant.

Facts and information are now free of relatively objectivity. They are now what you want to believe.




Runs to such as OHIO FOOTBALL which is doing it and has been doing it for years now.

Hey, I just drifted this thread back on track!!




Last Edited: 12/20/2016 10:22:32 AM by Monroe Slavin

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   Posted: 12/20/2016 3:54:52 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the weak non-conference schedules that Ohio plays, coupled with the usual poor MAC East side of the conference, Ohio is practically guaranteed to be bowl eligible every year for simply having a pulse. Getting to a bowl in years past used to mean you were a good team. Now with the huge number of them, half of them have become glorified "participation" bowls. Boasting about being bowl eligible nowadays is like boasting about being a 55% free throw shooter. Blah....


If it's such a guarantee, why aren't Kent, Akron, Buffalo, BG all in bowls? They have our same resources and talent level. They are recruiting the same fertile ground. BG aside since they're the defending champs, I'm sure they'd all love the secret to a "guaranteed" bowl matchup. I'm not saying getting to a bowl is the end-all-be-all, but lots of teams would trade places with us. These are our peers, playing similar schedules, and we out-perform them regularly. We do some things wrong, and we've disappointed recently and it's maddening and I can't stand being a perennial bridesmaid, but lots of teams would trade places with us.

And before Monroe jumps in and puts words in my mouth and builds an annoying repetitive straw man, NO, i'm not saying that being better than Kent is our standard.

Edit: just saw LC's reply which said same

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   Posted: 12/20/2016 8:42:05 PM 
boring.


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