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At these positions, we need to recruit guys that can play right away and challenge our guys in these positions to get better. You have to be able to do an after action review and honestly come up with a strategy to get better. I may sound like a villain for saying this, but this is what champions do. San Francisco traded Montana, because Young gave them a better chance to win. The packers went with Rogers over Farve. You have to recruit the best players and let the best players play. I am no villain, I am an honest fan. you only get better by challenging yourself. Everything was not rosy this year and if we want to get better next year, we have to act like we understand that and address the positions that did not perform to our standards. We should look at our coaches as well and grade them. Let's go Cats Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/17/2016 10:16:32 PM  allen wrote: Coaches can't be afraid to upgrade positions. You don't just recruit depth, you recruit needs. Our positions of need are CB, S, WR, TE and QB. At these positions, we need to recruit guys that can play right away and challenge our guys in these positions to get better. You have to be able to do an after action review and honestly come up with a strategy to get better. I may sound like a villain for saying this, but this is what champions do. San Francisco traded Montana, because Young gave them a better chance to win. The packers went with Rogers over Farve. You have to recruit the best players and let the best players play. I am no villain, I am an honest fan. you only get better by challenging yourself. Everything was not rosy this year what must and if we want to get better next year, we have to act like we understand that and address the positions that did not perform to our standards. We should look at our coaches as well and grade them. Let's go Cats allen, just what are you owed by these coaches? So sorry you are disappointed by a Div Champion team trending upward. Seems you are also poo pooing recruiting and coaching after Ohio's players have received the most post season recognition ever. You seem to think the staff needs you to tell them to conduct AARs. We have heard on this board, from parents, how their sons have been challenged by the coaches. Amazing that you believe the staff needs you to tell them to grade performance to standards. Pretty full of yourself allen. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/17/2016 10:32:15 PM  I am just being honest. FS did a great job this year. He needs to patch up some holes and we will win our MAC championship next year. Every leader needs to look at how they can get better, I call it performing an after action review, that is a military term. In business they conduct GAP analysis to see where there may be any shortcomings and fill in the gap. If i am full of myself, so is every other sports team, business and organizations because what I am saying is not my own invention, but what I have learned throughout my experiences. In your world, things may be different or you may be in denial because I accidentally hurt your feelings in the past. Whatever the case, in order to improve next year, we have to analyze what we did well and what we did not do well. We need to access different players limits and see if they can accomplish the task that we are asking them to complete. This is why coaches and other leaders get paid big bucks. You have to be able to put your emotions aside. Fans (fanatics) will be fans, they have to decide what will do to win championships? What will they do to get us over the hump? The next time you see a coach, ask them if they do AAR's, you will be surprised to know what they do. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/18/2016 3:35:41 AM  Bcat2 wrote: allen wrote: Coaches can't be afraid to upgrade positions. You don't just recruit depth, you recruit needs. Our positions of need are CB, S, WR, TE and QB. At these positions, we need to recruit guys that can play right away and challenge our guys in these positions to get better. You have to be able to do an after action review and honestly come up with a strategy to get better. I may sound like a villain for saying this, but this is what champions do. San Francisco traded Montana, because Young gave them a better chance to win. The packers went with Rogers over Farve. You have to recruit the best players and let the best players play. I am no villain, I am an honest fan. you only get better by challenging yourself. Everything was not rosy this year what must and if we want to get better next year, we have to act like we understand that and address the positions that did not perform to our standards. We should look at our coaches as well and grade them. Let's go Cats allen, just what are you owed by these coaches? So sorry you are disappointed by a Div Champion team trending upward. Seems you are also poo pooing recruiting and coaching after Ohio's players have received the most post season recognition ever. You seem to think the staff needs you to tell them to conduct AARs. We have heard on this board, from parents, how their sons have been challenged by the coaches. Amazing that you believe the staff needs you to tell them to grade performance to standards. Pretty full of yourself allen. What's your problem? Why do you absolutely refuse to consider legitimate criticism. All your point of view does is enable mediocrity that will never get us a MACC, the main goal and point of fielding a team in the MAC. pm me if you need that explained to you. I'm sure over the next 12 or so years we can get you to comprehend it. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/18/2016 5:49:25 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Bcat2 wrote: allen wrote: Coaches can't be afraid to upgrade positions. You don't just recruit depth, you recruit needs. Our positions of need are CB, S, WR, TE and QB. At these positions, we need to recruit guys that can play right away and challenge our guys in these positions to get better. You have to be able to do an after action review and honestly come up with a strategy to get better. I may sound like a villain for saying this, but this is what champions do. San Francisco traded Montana, because Young gave them a better chance to win. The packers went with Rogers over Farve. You have to recruit the best players and let the best players play. I am no villain, I am an honest fan. you only get better by challenging yourself. Everything was not rosy this year what must and if we want to get better next year, we have to act like we understand that and address the positions that did not perform to our standards. We should look at our coaches as well and grade them. Let's go Cats allen, just what are you owed by these coaches? So sorry you are disappointed by a Div Champion team trending upward. Seems you are also poo pooing recruiting and coaching after Ohio's players have received the most post season recognition ever. You seem to think the staff needs you to tell them to conduct AARs. We have heard on this board, from parents, how their sons have been challenged by the coaches. Amazing that you believe the staff needs you to tell them to grade performance to standards. Pretty full of yourself allen. What's your problem? Why do you absolutely refuse to consider legitimate criticism. All your point of view does is enable mediocrity that will never get us a MACC, the main goal and point of fielding a team in the MAC. pm me if you need that explained to you. I'm sure over the next 12 or so years we can get you to comprehend it. +1 Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,109 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/20/2016 10:53:48 PM  How about a new offense in place for 2017? The old formula isn't working for us anymore. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/20/2016 11:24:03 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: How about a new offense in place for 2017? The old formula isn't working for us anymore. sounds good to me Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/21/2016 7:02:34 AM  allen wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: How about a new offense in place for 2017? The old formula isn't working for us anymore. sounds good to me allen. Did you not just show us an article in which our hot new QB recruit told us our offense was one of the reasons he liked Ohio? "Rourke feels the type of offence Ohio runs could also help prep him for the pros. It’s going to challenge me and it can be transferable to the NFL because it has checks and puts a lot on the quarterback," he says. "I want to challenge myself mentally so I can prepare myself mentally for the next level.” Wes. "The old formula isn't working for us anymore." Granted the MAC only stats for the offense have Ohio in the bottom half of most. It would either be the Xs and Os or the Moes and the Joes. It was a shame Sprague could not play. I believe Sprague/Windham would have been dramatically different than Windham/Maxwell. Maxwell did OK, but, there were times he looked like a freshman, which, he still is. I would not want to ask Maxwell to learn a new offense by next fall, which, would put him back again to being a freshman in that offense. Next, as I mentioned above, allen found a good article in which, Rourke, Ohio's new QB recruit cites the offense Ohio is currently running as a reason he picked Ohio. I would not want to change now if a young QB recruit with stated ambitions to be a pro is picking Ohio and liking the offense. Maxwell/Rourke share all the snaps through the spring. Cope, White, Ball, Odom, Harris, Meyer, perhaps Cherry get on the same page with them, Brown, Irons and Ouellette all healthy, all of the TEs back, find a left guard and a right tackle and I think the offense gets better because of the Moes and the Joes. http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/canadian-qb-standout... / Last Edited: 12/21/2016 5:49:02 PM by Bcat2 "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/21/2016 10:26:50 AM  You're so rigid stuck in your POV that no one who really wants OHIO FOOTBALL to win reads your posts--you realize that, don't you? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/21/2016 1:30:04 PM  We had one of the worst passing and scoring offenses in the MAC last year. I am happy that a new recruit is all in, but it does not change the facts on the ground. There is only one way to be and that is real. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top CA Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: San Ramon, CA Post Count: 149 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/21/2016 5:44:27 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: You're so rigid stuck in your POV that no one who really wants OHIO FOOTBALL to win reads your posts--you realize that, don't you? ...says the dope who posts what no one wants to read. Wow, not very smart are you? I'm guessing you're throwing a temper tantrum because this recruit was attracted to OHIO for one of the very reasons you think recruits aren't attracted to OHIO. Doh! Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,109 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/21/2016 8:46:38 PM  Bcat2 wrote: Wes. "The old formula isn't working for us anymore." Granted the MAC only stats for the offense have Ohio in the bottom half of most. It would either be the Xs and Os or the Moes and the Joes. It was a shame Sprague could not play. I believe Sprague/Windham would have been dramatically different than Windham/Maxwell. Maxwell did OK, but, there were times he looked like a freshman, which, he still is. I would not want to ask Maxwell to learn a new offense by next fall, which, would put him back again to being a freshman in that offense. Next, as I mentioned above, allen found a good article in which, Rourke, Ohio's new QB recruit cites the offense Ohio is currently running as a reason he picked Ohio. I would not want to change now if a young QB recruit with stated ambitions to be a pro is picking Ohio and liking the offense. Maxwell/Rourke share all the snaps through the spring. Cope, White, Ball, Odom, Harris, Meyer, perhaps Cherry get on the same page with them, Brown, Irons and Ouellette all healthy, all of the TEs back, find a left guard and a right tackle and I think the offense gets better because of the Moes and the Joes. http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/canadian-qb-standout... / To change the offense all that is needed is new blocking assignments. The QB is still going to know how to throw routes and read defenses like he did the year before. I watched the WMU Oline this year create huge gaps to let the RB's run downhill. The run blocking isn't where it needs to be to get Brown and Irons running a straight line. I watched Alabama in the SEC Championship game and what Saban is very good at is getting a read as to the momentum on the field. He would tell Kiffin "power game" or "deep ball" to switch the focus when he sensed he could exploit the opposing teams confusion. It sounds simplistic but it work. Frank will have a quarter where its several consecutive series of running the ball up the middle to go 3 and out. We need to be more responsive to the game momentum when play calling. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/21/2016 9:23:00 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Wes. "The old formula isn't working for us anymore." Granted the MAC only stats for the offense have Ohio in the bottom half of most. It would either be the Xs and Os or the Moes and the Joes. It was a shame Sprague could not play. I believe Sprague/Windham would have been dramatically different than Windham/Maxwell. Maxwell did OK, but, there were times he looked like a freshman, which, he still is. I would not want to ask Maxwell to learn a new offense by next fall, which, would put him back again to being a freshman in that offense. Next, as I mentioned above, allen found a good article in which, Rourke, Ohio's new QB recruit cites the offense Ohio is currently running as a reason he picked Ohio. I would not want to change now if a young QB recruit with stated ambitions to be a pro is picking Ohio and liking the offense. Maxwell/Rourke share all the snaps through the spring. Cope, White, Ball, Odom, Harris, Meyer, perhaps Cherry get on the same page with them, Brown, Irons and Ouellette all healthy, all of the TEs back, find a left guard and a right tackle and I think the offense gets better because of the Moes and the Joes. http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/canadian-qb-standout... / To change the offense all that is needed is new blocking assignments. The QB is still going to know how to throw routes and read defenses like he did the year before. I watched the WMU Oline this year create huge gaps to let the RB's run downhill. The run blocking isn't where it needs to be to get Brown and Irons running a straight line. I watched Alabama in the SEC Championship game and what Saban is very good at is getting a read as to the momentum on the field. He would tell Kiffin "power game" or "deep ball" to switch the focus when he sensed he could exploit the opposing teams confusion. It sounds simplistic but it work. Frank will have a quarter where its several consecutive series of running the ball up the middle to go 3 and out. We need to be more responsive to the game momentum when play calling. We definitely need better blocking and play-calling. I don't believe in the line them up and run them over philosophy. I like the line them up and exploit their vulnerabilities. Line them up and put them at a disadvantage, keep them guessing approach. Right now we don't quite have the personnel and the coaching to do it. I hear Cameron Odom has game changing speed. Next year, we may be able to make teams pick their poison. Sebastian Smith was great but he does not get a lot of separation or draw double coverages. Cope could have been that guy and we did not throw enough Balls to ball. The only person that scared defenses was Papi white and teams put their fastest corner on him and prayed that we would overthrow him or that he would not beat their corner. Last Edited: 12/22/2016 10:21:51 PM by allen Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/22/2016 4:00:33 AM  CA Bobcat wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: You're so rigid stuck in your POV that no one who really wants OHIO FOOTBALL to win reads your posts--you realize that, don't you? ...says the dope who posts what no one wants to read. Wow, not very smart are you? I'm guessing you're throwing a temper tantrum because this recruit was attracted to OHIO for one of the very reasons you think recruits aren't attracted to OHIO. Doh! Explain; I don't get your point. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,059 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/22/2016 10:19:48 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Wes. "The old formula isn't working for us anymore." Granted the MAC only stats for the offense have Ohio in the bottom half of most. It would either be the Xs and Os or the Moes and the Joes. It was a shame Sprague could not play. I believe Sprague/Windham would have been dramatically different than Windham/Maxwell. Maxwell did OK, but, there were times he looked like a freshman, which, he still is. I would not want to ask Maxwell to learn a new offense by next fall, which, would put him back again to being a freshman in that offense. Next, as I mentioned above, allen found a good article in which, Rourke, Ohio's new QB recruit cites the offense Ohio is currently running as a reason he picked Ohio. I would not want to change now if a young QB recruit with stated ambitions to be a pro is picking Ohio and liking the offense. Maxwell/Rourke share all the snaps through the spring. Cope, White, Ball, Odom, Harris, Meyer, perhaps Cherry get on the same page with them, Brown, Irons and Ouellette all healthy, all of the TEs back, find a left guard and a right tackle and I think the offense gets better because of the Moes and the Joes. http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/canadian-qb-standout... / To change the offense all that is needed is new blocking assignments. The QB is still going to know how to throw routes and read defenses like he did the year before. I watched the WMU Oline this year create huge gaps to let the RB's run downhill. The run blocking isn't where it needs to be to get Brown and Irons running a straight line. I watched Alabama in the SEC Championship game and what Saban is very good at is getting a read as to the momentum on the field. He would tell Kiffin "power game" or "deep ball" to switch the focus when he sensed he could exploit the opposing teams confusion. It sounds simplistic but it work. Frank will have a quarter where its several consecutive series of running the ball up the middle to go 3 and out. We need to be more responsive to the game momentum when play calling. What doesn't work when you have the best talent and team in college football! Maybe one of the worse posts of the year saying we should call plays more like Alabama. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,109 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/22/2016 7:09:37 PM  This may be the BillyTheCat sarcastic post of the year. Solich put the Michigan State cover 4 defense in 2 years ago when they were playing at their peak. I know we won't see Solich game managing like Saban anytime soon but I would love a coach who was good at it. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: Upgrades    Posted: 12/22/2016 9:39:26 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: To change the offense all that is needed is new blocking assignments. ... What changes would you like to make? Would you like to go back to the type of line calls used it 2005? 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