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  Message Not Read  Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/3/2016 3:40:45 PM 
Congratulations to our former conference brethren on their American Conference championship today! Was rooting for Navy but the Owls were impressive.

Anyone else think Matt Rhule will get some offers from other programs?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/3/2016 10:37:12 PM 
They certainly made it easier for the playoff committee to send WMU to the Cotton Bowl.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/4/2016 12:14:19 AM 
Well well well, another school that wins a conference title before us. At some point the demand has to go up when it comes to these kind of games. Not only do they move onto a bigger and better conference, but also proceed to win said conference in a game against Navy. Food for thought, can't imagine what a game with the likes of Navy, Tom Herman's Houston, or even UCONN in sports would look like? It's about time to start demanding more out of ourselves for the program and not be shooting a shoutout to Temple for doing something we haven't done in 49 years. At some point, we have to either commit to fully winning or just throw our money at other sports and let football fend for itself.

And one more thing, we need to re-structure Frank's bonuses to not just be getting to 7-8 wins. As I have said on other threads, he develops a schedule to get to 8 wins through cupcakes and only one game we should truly lose. Why? Because it's worth more than winning a MAC TITLE! Gee, there's an easy concept as to why we'll never win a MAC. Move the coach's expectations up a little more, who knows maybe we ACTUALLY win one. What a novel concept isn't it? So yes, as a program, get blood in here that actually wants to strive for more than mediocrity. Yes, mediocre sounds harsh to those of you around in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, but we've reached the points where we can't stay on the pot forever.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/5/2016 9:32:52 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Well well well, another school that wins a conference title before us. At some point the demand has to go up when it comes to these kind of games. Not only do they move onto a bigger and better conference, but also proceed to win said conference in a game against Navy. Food for thought, can't imagine what a game with the likes of Navy, Tom Herman's Houston, or even UCONN in sports would look like? It's about time to start demanding more out of ourselves for the program and not be shooting a shoutout to Temple for doing something we haven't done in 49 years. At some point, we have to either commit to fully winning or just throw our money at other sports and let football fend for itself.

And one more thing, we need to re-structure Frank's bonuses to not just be getting to 7-8 wins. As I have said on other threads, he develops a schedule to get to 8 wins through cupcakes and only one game we should truly lose. Why? Because it's worth more than winning a MAC TITLE! Gee, there's an easy concept as to why we'll never win a MAC. Move the coach's expectations up a little more, who knows maybe we ACTUALLY win one. What a novel concept isn't it? So yes, as a program, get blood in here that actually wants to strive for more than mediocrity. Yes, mediocre sounds harsh to those of you around in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, but we've reached the points where we can't stay on the pot forever.


You do remember the school that kept Temple from winning the MAC East a couple times don't you???
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/5/2016 3:21:35 PM 
That was a tough way to end the season for Navy, especially losing your starting QB and offensive captain RB on the same play and both with broken feet! I feel bad they can't finish the season against Army.

Temple showed up and played out of the gate, though. People all point to Tom Herman as the best coach in the AAC, but Matt Rhule is the real deal. I think he would have been a candidate for the Penn St job, but it's probably tough to part with Franklin now. I have to say he's is a class act,as well. After the game over the PA he talked about all the support he has for Navy and that they will be rooting for them against Army. It was the complete opposite of that clown from WMU who didn't once mention anything nice about his opponent - only about themselves and his stupid rowing. I'm glad that the MAC will get some money from this, but I will definitely not be rooting for WMU.

Last Edited: 12/5/2016 3:22:21 PM by Maryland Bobcat
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   Posted: 12/5/2016 3:24:37 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
They certainly made it easier for the playoff committee to send WMU to the Cotton Bowl.

For this reason, I was rooting for Temple.

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 4:04:52 PM 
Ditto Optimist, it is about the $$$! And Maryland Bobcat, why would you not root for WMU to win? Is it because you like the fact that most of the world thinks the MAC is a bunch of losers and you want to keep it that way? I personally will be rooting for every MAC team to win and win big. That is the only way this Conference is going to gain the respect of the rest of the football world. Judas Priest, until Navy lost there was serious discuss from the Committee to take them over a 12-0 WMU squad because of a perception that the MAC truly is the home of the Little Sisters of the Poor. The MAC needs to finish strong and win as many bowl games as possible. And by the way, the head of the Selection Committee was the former AD at Ohio, Kirby Hocutt.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/7/2016 3:44:47 PM 
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Ditto Optimist, it is about the $$$! And Maryland Bobcat, why would you not root for WMU to win? Is it because you like the fact that most of the world thinks the MAC is a bunch of losers and you want to keep it that way? I personally will be rooting for every MAC team to win and win big. That is the only way this Conference is going to gain the respect of the rest of the football world. Judas Priest, until Navy lost there was serious discuss from the Committee to take them over a 12-0 WMU squad because of a perception that the MAC truly is the home of the Little Sisters of the Poor. The MAC needs to finish strong and win as many bowl games as possible. And by the way, the head of the Selection Committee was the former AD at Ohio, Kirby Hocutt.


Why? Because I can't stand PJ Fleck, that's why. He's a classless, self-centered jerk, and I don't feel like seeing him succeed. If he takes another job and doesn't coach in the game I'll gladly root for WMU. I typically do root for the MAC all the time, but I felt he completely disrespected the OU program, I'm sick of his sideshow, and I don't think he's what the collegiate game should represent.

The fact that you feel it's all about the $$$ shows exactly what is wrong with college football right now, and what is wrong with this ludicrous postseason system in place.

Winning a bowl game isn't going to change perception. Consistently scheduling and beating good/ranked P5 teams during the regular season is the only thing that will have a lasting impact. Not just whoever the "good" MAC team is that year, but several MAC teams doing so year in and year out (and that's just not happening). Wins over the likes of Kansas and Illinois are nice, but we need more wins like UT over Arkansas do make a better case. That's what his helping the AAC when you compare the two conferences.

And yes, I know who Kirby Hocutt is. He's the one who killed four men's programs without any warning then somehow stumbled into a promotion at Miami.

Last Edited: 12/7/2016 7:34:50 PM by Maryland Bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/7/2016 7:53:19 PM 
Maryland Bobcat wrote:
ou79 wrote:
Ditto Optimist, it is about the $$$! And Maryland Bobcat, why would you not root for WMU to win? Is it because you like the fact that most of the world thinks the MAC is a bunch of losers and you want to keep it that way? I personally will be rooting for every MAC team to win and win big. That is the only way this Conference is going to gain the respect of the rest of the football world. Judas Priest, until Navy lost there was serious discuss from the Committee to take them over a 12-0 WMU squad because of a perception that the MAC truly is the home of the Little Sisters of the Poor. The MAC needs to finish strong and win as many bowl games as possible. And by the way, the head of the Selection Committee was the former AD at Ohio, Kirby Hocutt.


Why? Because I can't stand PJ Fleck, that's why. He's a classless, self-centered jerk, and I don't feel like seeing him succeed. If he takes another job and doesn't coach in the game I'll gladly root for WMU. I typically do root for the MAC all the time, but I felt he completely disrespected the OU program, I'm sick of his sideshow, and I don't think he's what the collegiate game should represent.

The fact that you feel it's all about the $$$ shows exactly what is wrong with college football right now, and what is wrong with this ludicrous postseason system in place.

Winning a bowl game isn't going to change perception. Consistently scheduling and beating good/ranked P5 teams during the regular season is the only thing that will have a lasting impact. Not just whoever the "good" MAC team is that year, but several MAC teams doing so year in and year out (and that's just not happening). Wins over the likes of Kansas and Illinois are nice, but we need more wins like UT over Arkansas do make a better case. That's what his helping the AAC when you compare the two conferences.

And yes, I know who Kirby Hocutt is. He's the one who killed four men's programs without any warning then somehow stumbled into a promotion at Miami.


get your facts right - Kirby only cut three men's sports and one women's - lacrosse.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/7/2016 9:35:59 PM 
I agree Kirby was a jerk, and he was way over his head as AD here. I'm not convinced that he's still not in water over his head. He may be a case study in the Peter Principle.

Last Edited: 12/7/2016 9:36:52 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 12/7/2016 9:57:26 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I agree Kirby was a jerk, and he was way over his head as AD here. I'm not convinced that he's still not in water over his head. He may be a case study in the Peter Principle.


To each his own, Kirby was/is a good person who had to carry out a tough decision. Anyone who believes that he acted alone or that cutting sports was his decision alone is gravely mistaken. And those sports would have been cut with or without him as AD.

And OCF, just because he didn't provide a shuttle (I do believe he was the AD then), that's no reason to disparage the man.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/7/2016 10:44:18 PM 
I don't know if Fleck is a jerk.

From viewing the game the other day, he seems to think his team is good, seems to have a bit of confidence and swagger.

That's not necessarily the worst thing in the world--if not carried to excess and it builds a team such as Fleck has done this year.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tip of the hat to Temple!
   Posted: 12/8/2016 7:50:02 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
I don't know if Fleck is a jerk.

From viewing the game the other day, he seems to think his team is good, seems to have a bit of confidence and swagger.

That's not necessarily the worst thing in the world--if not carried to excess and it builds a team such as Fleck has done this year.




On a related note, as I watched the Temple band throughout the game I found myself entertained until it hit me about mid-3rd quarter: they danced at halftime, left the field in the same manner, and even played the same third-down jingle. This is the 110! If you're ever on the east coast and missing the 110 just attend a Temple game.

Yep, turns out the their director is is a Bobcat:
https://www.temple.edu/boyer/about/people/matthewbrunner.asp

Good article (with the exception of calling us Ohio State): http://temple-news.com/lifestyle/high-note-band /

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   Posted: 12/8/2016 10:36:18 AM 
Maryland Bobcat wrote:
ou79 wrote:
Ditto Optimist, it is about the $$$! And Maryland Bobcat, why would you not root for WMU to win? Is it because you like the fact that most of the world thinks the MAC is a bunch of losers and you want to keep it that way? I personally will be rooting for every MAC team to win and win big. That is the only way this Conference is going to gain the respect of the rest of the football world. Judas Priest, until Navy lost there was serious discuss from the Committee to take them over a 12-0 WMU squad because of a perception that the MAC truly is the home of the Little Sisters of the Poor. The MAC needs to finish strong and win as many bowl games as possible. And by the way, the head of the Selection Committee was the former AD at Ohio, Kirby Hocutt.


Why? Because I can't stand PJ Fleck, that's why. He's a classless, self-centered jerk, and I don't feel like seeing him succeed. If he takes another job and doesn't coach in the game I'll gladly root for WMU. I typically do root for the MAC all the time, but I felt he completely disrespected the OU program, I'm sick of his sideshow, and I don't think he's what the collegiate game should represent.

The fact that you feel it's all about the $$$ shows exactly what is wrong with college football right now, and what is wrong with this ludicrous postseason system in place.

Winning a bowl game isn't going to change perception. Consistently scheduling and beating good/ranked P5 teams during the regular season is the only thing that will have a lasting impact. Not just whoever the "good" MAC team is that year, but several MAC teams doing so year in and year out (and that's just not happening). Wins over the likes of Kansas and Illinois are nice, but we need more wins like UT over Arkansas do make a better case. That's what his helping the AAC when you compare the two conferences.

And yes, I know who Kirby Hocutt is. He's the one who killed four men's programs without any warning then somehow stumbled into a promotion at Miami.


Why do you feel Fleck disrespected us? He was very complimentary in the post game presser. That said, it's amazing how little football is actually spoken in his interview. How many boat metaphors can he squeeze into every paragraph.

Whatever he's doing is working I guess. I don't care for his style, but it's more that it makes me roll my eyes rather than think he's classless.

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   Posted: 12/8/2016 1:17:41 PM 
To clarify what I posted earlier, I will root for any MAC team as long as that team is not playing us. Further, I too agree that MAC teams need to win if they can every time they take the field in either an OOC game or a bowl game. Why, because the more teams OOC or in a bowl game we beat, the better the conference looks to the football world. And, with WMU playing Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl, what better place could there be to make a statement about the quality of MAC play. People still remember Boise's victory over Oklahoma. If WMU beats Wisconsin, it will gain some respect for not only WMU but the MAC. Even better is for all of the MAC schools to win their respective bowl games. I pointed out the fact about Kirby Hocutt because even as a former MAC school AD, he still must have had doubts about the level of play in the MAC when debating over Navy. Thankfully, Temple ended that discussion. But, it does tend to show how the MAC is viewed on the national scene. As for Fleck, I could care less. GO MAC!

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   Posted: 12/9/2016 12:12:35 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I agree Kirby was a jerk, and he was way over his head as AD here. I'm not convinced that he's still not in water over his head. He may be a case study in the Peter Principle.


To each his own, Kirby was/is a good person who had to carry out a tough decision. Anyone who believes that he acted alone or that cutting sports was his decision alone is gravely mistaken. And those sports would have been cut with or without him as AD.

And OCF, just because he didn't provide a shuttle (I do believe he was the AD then), that's no reason to disparage the man.


No, the great shuttle controversy has nothing to do with my assessment of Kirby. And, it's not based entirely on the way he handled the cut of non-revenue sports. He was entirely reactive during his tenure as AD. He had not the slightest idea how to effectively plan and how to execute any plan he may have come up with. He was kind of the Sowle of ADs -- made the worst out of a bad situation. At the same time, he maintained a level of arrogance not commensurate with his accomplishments. If I had to rank OHIO ADs in my lifetime he is right at the bottom. He even beats out the legendary Tom Boeh for bottom position on my scale.

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   Posted: 12/9/2016 12:25:48 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I agree Kirby was a jerk, and he was way over his head as AD here. I'm not convinced that he's still not in water over his head. He may be a case study in the Peter Principle.


To each his own, Kirby was/is a good person who had to carry out a tough decision. Anyone who believes that he acted alone or that cutting sports was his decision alone is gravely mistaken. And those sports would have been cut with or without him as AD.

And OCF, just because he didn't provide a shuttle (I do believe he was the AD then), that's no reason to disparage the man.


No, the great shuttle controversy has nothing to do with my assessment of Kirby. And, it's not based entirely on the way he handled the cut of non-revenue sports. He was entirely reactive during his tenure as AD. He had not the slightest idea how to effectively plan and how to execute any plan he may have come up with. He was kind of the Sowle of ADs -- made the worst out of a bad situation. At the same time, he maintained a level of arrogance not commensurate with his accomplishments. If I had to rank OHIO ADs in my lifetime he is right at the bottom. He even beats out the legendary Tom Boeh for bottom position on my scale.


He inherited a department rife with debt, in a University that was having it's budget slashed by the State of Ohio and a President who wanted financial accountability after years of none. And you can not even begin to compare Kirby to Tom Boeh, mainly because you are unaware of many of the circumstances that was being dealt with at that time. But hey, to each his own.
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