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Topic: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

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colobobcat66
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Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/15/2016 8:49:05 PM

Since the Gopher players will be boycotting all football activities and want to meet with the board of trustees, it seems that college football players are starting to flex their muscle. This follows the earlier U of Missouri episode a while back.
This will be interesting to watch. You can't make this stuff up.

Any guesses as to what will happen?

Last Edited: 12/15/2016 8:50:11 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/15/2016 9:20:46 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Uhhh...hopefully someone on the team realizes that going on strike demanding the reinstatement of these particular 10 suspended players (for details of why they were suspended see http://deadspin.com/minnesota-suspends-10-football-player... ) is a terrible very bad no good idea

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/15/2016 10:32:07 PM

mf279801 wrote:

It does look that way on the surface, unless this is another Duke Lacrosse situation. I'm not saying that it is, but that is the only scenario in which I could see this kind of action justified. Otherwise, it's just plain strange.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/15/2016 11:18:40 PM

Suspended for what? No arrests were made. No charges were filed. It looks like it is because a restraining order was filed. Anyone can file a restraining order and based on reports, the order wasn't violated. It looks like the school made this ruling without due process.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 8:14:52 AM

from deadspin article wrote:

However, the University of Minnesota�s Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action office conducted their own investigation

Sounds to me like Minnesota needs to be made great again.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 8:24:52 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

It sounds like it very well might be. Was just reading on another site that a cell phone recording of the incident was released and the victim was a very willing participant. Tons of other issues at play here but it doesn't sound like there was any assault. Significant morality questions but no assault.

Sounds like Northern Illinois will be the beneficiary in this.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 9:22:59 AM

OUVan wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

The angle some are taking on the video is that it was short, and it's a major college town so there's always the possibility they simply agreed to let it be as oppose to actually not having a reason to press charges. Truth probably lies in the middle, as we all know.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 12:57:32 PM

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 1:48:23 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

Or more importantly should these speculative posts be deleted as other speculative posts were about the "crimes" in Athens. Oh, I forgot, that rule doesn't pertain to other schools. :(

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 2:42:04 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

Edit: Still reading about this UM case...

OK, it looks like these guys are standing up for their own, apparently because they believe their teammates are being railroaded. Don't know if I have that right, or even if these players have inside info or are just acting out of loyalty.

However, I see no correlation to Kaepernick.

Last Edited: 12/16/2016 3:03:36 PM by Robert Fox

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 5:06:17 PM

I got a source out at the bowl game themselves saying that Minnesota has backed out of the game. Waiting to make sure that NIU can confirm traveling to the game and short logistics.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 6:08:32 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

Kapernick also stood up for his own, his own race. Both took a stand for injustice, but not one person here who was free to bask CK has yet to bash these guys or say they won't watch college bowl games because of it.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 6:36:21 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

But, these players are directing their anger directly at the source, the university. Kaepernick is targeting the entire nation.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 7:40:23 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

But, these players are directing their anger directly at the source, the university. Kaepernick is targeting the entire nation.

And therein lies the problem - this is a national problem that needs addressed on a national scale. What better way to do it.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 7:49:53 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

But, these players are directing their anger directly at the source, the university. Kaepernick is targeting the entire nation.

And therein lies the problem - this is a national problem that needs addressed on a national scale. What better way to do it.

The difference in this situation is that these guys have evidence, have done nothing wrong, and are actually going after the source of the problem. When an entire team takes a stand towards the AD and university because they believe their teammates to be innocent, it raises the question of honesty here versus women lying. Which is why the Duke case was so ground-breaking in that all women aren't honest and all men aren't pigs. If that case goes the same way, which the police believed it to be and dropped it, have fun with that Minnesota. I applaud the university for ensuring safety with this case, but even then these kids have been smeared already because they were believed to be pigs.

Kaepernick on the other hand is taking a broad paint brush when all he has done is claim to be for change yet doesn't vote, sides with Castro, and attempts to instigate issues between our law enforcement and people. The folks in Minnesota have specific people they are targeting, not like what Kaeps did by calling all cops pigs. It's like calling all bankers evil people and saying we want to rid of them and then proceed to keep them in power when you hold the stock to change the status.

Last Edited: 12/16/2016 7:51:21 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 7:52:45 PM

What these kids are doing at Minnesota is not going to turn me off from watching college football. For the fact that these kids stood by their teammates when the evidence says that they are innocent even though the court of public opinion says otherwise is more moving than Kaepernick griping for change and yet does nothing to change the status quo.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 8:01:03 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

What better way to do it.

I'm stunned you believe that.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 8:04:29 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

So, should we bash these players expression of their rights like that of Kapernick? After all they too are making a stand against what they too see as an injustice.

But, these players are directing their anger directly at the source, the university. Kaepernick is targeting the entire nation.

And therein lies the problem - this is a national problem that needs addressed on a national scale. What better way to do it.

BINGO

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/16/2016 8:53:30 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

What better way to do it.

I'm stunned you believe that.

Way to take a "fox" approach, no pun intended. Remove six words from a larger quote to make a point knowing full well that many people will never read the whole story. Based on past posts, I'm not stunned.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/17/2016 12:43:09 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

What better way to do it.

I'm stunned you believe that.

Huh? He removed the six words that he found surprising. He doesn't find it surprising that you believe this (which was the remainder of your post):

Alan Swank wrote:

And therein lies the problem - this is a national problem that needs addressed on a national scale. ...

He does find it surprising that you believe that football players kneeling during the National Anthem is the best way of addressing this issue. I am stunned that you believe that as well, because I personally don't think it can accomplish anything other than what it has already accomplished.

Myself I think that a national task force, for example, would do a lot more good. I also think that more care could have been made by those promoting the issue in selecting cases to protest. The early examples they chose were poor examples, which was why there were no convictions, but more recently they have been more selective in choosing examples of bad behavior to highlight and prosecute, and I presume we will see some convictions in the months ahead.

Last Edited: 12/17/2016 8:16:29 AM by L.C.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/17/2016 8:42:24 AM

L.C. wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

What better way to do it.

I'm stunned you believe that.

Huh? He removed the six words that he found surprising. He doesn't find it surprising that you believe this (which was the remainder of your post):

Alan Swank wrote:

And therein lies the problem - this is a national problem that needs addressed on a national scale. ...

Agree, LC.

If Kaepernick wanted to solve problems rather than draw negative attention and be divisive, he's in a unique position to do so. He could have done any number of things to draw positive attention to this issue and effect real change. For example, he could have hatched a San Francisco "cop committee" wherein community leaders are invited to meet with leaders of the police department to build understanding, trust, and hatch plans for overcoming racial tension. A guy like Kaepernick who has such high visibility (and pretty substantial resources) could have easily done this. And, it would have been positively effective, much better received by the nation, and could have made a real difference.

Instead, he chose to divide and piss off half the nation. Now what have we got?

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/17/2016 8:43:57 AM

I haven't followed this story super close, but based on this article:

http://www.startribune.com/underage-gopher-football-recru... /

an underage recruit was involved, and if that is the case the exculpatory video MIGHT be considered child pornography. That certainly ratchets up the seriousness of the case.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/17/2016 9:54:53 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

. . . If Kaepernick wanted to solve problems rather than draw negative attention and be divisive, he's in a unique position to do so. He could have done any number of things to draw positive attention to this issue and effect real change. For example, he could have hatched a San Francisco "cop committee" wherein community leaders are invited to meet with leaders of the police department to build understanding, trust, and hatch plans for overcoming racial tension. A guy like Kaepernick who has such high visibility (and pretty substantial resources) could have easily done this. And, it would have been positively effective, much better received by the nation, and could have made a real difference.

Instead, he chose to divide and piss off half the nation. Now what have we got?

Very well stated. However, let me point out the Bill of Rights, and specifically the First Amendment, gives you the right to say outrageous and even idiotic things. Kneeling during the National Anthem is certainly within the realm of "symbolic speech." It is also true that the same First Amendment gives us the right to point out how counterproductive his actions are and to question his motives and his native intelligence.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/17/2016 9:56:42 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

What better way to do it.

I'm stunned you believe that.

Huh? He removed the six words that he found surprising. He doesn't find it surprising that you believe this (which was the remainder of your post):

Alan Swank wrote:

And therein lies the problem - this is a national problem that needs addressed on a national scale. ...

What we have now is a national conversation with very strong feelings both ways which will force the powers that be to do something to address this national problem. No one got hurt, no towns were looted, no one was shot. The only things hurt were some peoples' feelings and his credibility (not voting still makes me mad). At the end of the day people are finally talking about this and that is a step in what will be a long process. His methods were very effective - divisive but effective in getting the conversation going. Now we need to see if those who agree with what he is saying whether they agree or not with how he said it, do anything to change the wrongs in our society relative to race.

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RE: Minnesota Football players flexing their muscle

Posted: 12/17/2016 10:00:16 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

What we have now is a national conversation with very strong feelings both ways which will force the powers that be to do something to address this national problem.

That's the problem. The nation is polarized on the issue. He didn't bring us together. He tore us apart.

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