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  Message Not Read  The MACC has been a house of horror for ranked teams!
   Posted: 10/27/2016 11:55:21 PM 
With the MACC looking more and more like it's going to be an Ohio vs WMU matchup, kept this in mind for those who think Ohio can't beat WMU. The last three times a MAC team entered the MACC ranked vs an unranked team, the ranked team lost!

2013 - #16 NIU (undefeated at the time) lost to BG, 47-27
2010 - #24 NIU lost to Miami, 26-21
2008 - #12 Ball State lost to Buffalo, 42-24

You can also add in another game where the higher ranked team was knocked off by a lower ranked team too when KSU (#18)was beaten by NIU (#19) when both were ranked in 2012. You have to go all the way back to 2003 to find a game where a ranked team won vs either an unranked team or a lower ranked team, and that was when #13 Miami beat #20 BG when Big Ben was the QB for Miami.

Last Edited: 11/25/2016 8:47:54 PM by OhioBobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The MACC had been a house of horror for ranked teams!
   Posted: 10/28/2016 12:10:58 AM 
More importantly Ohio played a Top 15 SEC team good enough to think it can compete with a Top 15 MAC team. Who would have thought after Texas State but Ohio is 6-3 with the 3 losses by a combined 18 points.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The MACC had been a house of horror for ranked teams!
   Posted: 10/28/2016 8:05:14 AM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the MACC looking more and more like it's going to be an Ohio vs WMU matchup, kept this in mind for those who think Ohio can't beat WMU. The last three times a MAC team entered the MACC ranked vs an unranked team, the ranked team lost!

2013 - #16 NIU (undefeated at the time) lost to BG, 47-27
2010 - #24 NIU lost to Miami, 26-21
2008 - #12 Ball State lost to Buffalo, 42-24

You can also add in another game where the higher ranked team was knocked off by a lower ranked team too when KSU (#18)was beaten by NIU (#19) when both were ranked in 2012. You have to go all the way back to 2003 to find a game where a ranked team won vs either an unranked team or a lower ranked team, and that was when #13 Miami beat #20 BG when Big Ben was the QB for Miami.


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   Posted: 10/28/2016 8:06:24 AM 
I'm listening.

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   Posted: 10/28/2016 8:45:38 AM 
You never know what can happen in one game.

That said, even though it looks even more like the Broncos and Bobcats are the best teams in their divisions, last night still doesn't change the path to the title game. Unless other upsets happen in the next few weeks, Western Michigan still has to beat Toledo, and Ohio still has to beat Akron.
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   Posted: 10/28/2016 9:47:57 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
You never know what can happen in one game.

That said, even though it looks even more like the Broncos and Bobcats are the best teams in their divisions, last night still doesn't change the path to the title game. Unless other upsets happen in the next few weeks, Western Michigan still has to beat Toledo, and Ohio still has to beat Akron.


Oh man, never thought of that, a Toledo vs Ohio rematch for the MACC could be intense.
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   Posted: 10/28/2016 10:43:51 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
More importantly Ohio played a Top 15 SEC team good enough to think it can compete with a Top 15 MAC team. Who would have thought after Texas State but Ohio is 6-3 with the 3 losses by a combined 18 points.



You're right, and that's exciting to think about for the next month. But for the sake of conversation, I'll play Devil's Advocate:

Is Western's passing game better than the Tennessee passing game? Pass defense has been the area Ohio's D has had some trouble in.

(though they were solid last night when they needed to be)
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  Message Not Read  RE: The MACC had been a house of horror for ranked teams!
   Posted: 10/28/2016 11:13:06 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
You never know what can happen in one game.

That said, even though it looks even more like the Broncos and Bobcats are the best teams in their divisions, last night still doesn't change the path to the title game. Unless other upsets happen in the next few weeks, Western Michigan still has to beat Toledo, and Ohio still has to beat Akron.


Toledo plays at Akron next week, so one of them likely will drop to two games back with two games left. WMU is at BSU and Ohio hosts Buffalo. With a trip to CMU coming up and the injuries last night to Windham and Basham, we could use the two-game cushion.

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   Posted: 10/28/2016 12:41:19 PM 
Another thing these ranked teams have entering the MACC is a boatload of distraction about very likely losing their head coaches after this game. Ball State dealt with it before being upset in 2008 and ended up losing Brady Hoke, NIU dealt with it before being upset in 2010 and ended up lost Jerry Kill, Kent State dealt with it in 2012 before its loss and ended up losing Hazell. And you can bet your bottom dollar that if WMU does indeed get to the MACC they're going to deal with it concerning Fleck (they already are).

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  Message Not Read  RE: The MACC had been a house of horror for ranked teams!
   Posted: 10/29/2016 1:52:59 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Another thing these ranked teams have entering the MACC is a boatload of distraction about very likely losing their head coaches after this game. Ball State dealt with it before being upset in 2008 and ended up losing Brady Hoke, NIU dealt with it before being upset in 2010 and ended up lost Jerry Kill, Kent State dealt with it in 2012 before its loss and ended up losing Hazell. And you can bet your bottom dollar that if WMU does indeed get to the MACC they're going to deal with it concerning Fleck (they already are).


Where is Fleck going to go? Could he go straight from the WMU job to a top job in the Big Ten? Would he take a second tier Big Ten job? Think Boise State here, Petersen held out in Boise until the Washington job opened up something with top tier potential.

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   Posted: 11/25/2016 8:47:11 PM 
WMU will have a TON of pressure on it coming into this game. Ohio will have very little. Each time a ranked and undefeated team has entered the MAC Championship - it has lost. Ohio's defense will give WMU's offense a stiff test and WMU's defense is very, very suspect. Plus WMU lost a starter for the rest of the year in the Toledo game and another starter will miss the first half of the MACC after a targeting call.
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   Posted: 11/25/2016 9:09:26 PM 
And I thought this was going to be some thread about how we have been humiliated the last 3 times we appeared in the MACC under FS and Co.
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   Posted: 11/25/2016 9:27:38 PM 
ou79 wrote:
And I thought this was going to be some thread about how we have been humiliated the last 3 times we appeared in the MACC under FS and Co.


So...the only 3 times we've appeared in the MAC championship game
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   Posted: 11/25/2016 10:13:00 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
With the MACC looking more and more like it's going to be an Ohio vs WMU matchup, kept this in mind for those who think Ohio can't beat WMU. The last three times a MAC team entered the MACC ranked vs an unranked team, the ranked team lost!

2013 - #16 NIU (undefeated at the time) lost to BG, 47-27
2010 - #24 NIU lost to Miami, 26-21
2008 - #12 Ball State lost to Buffalo, 42-24

You can also add in another game where the higher ranked team was knocked off by a lower ranked team too when KSU (#18)was beaten by NIU (#19) when both were ranked in 2012. You have to go all the way back to 2003 to find a game where a ranked team won vs either an unranked team or a lower ranked team, and that was when #13 Miami beat #20 BG when Big Ben was the QB for Miami.


Unfortunately none of those underdog teams were led by a redshirt freshman QB, I don't think. If Maxwell can pull off a victory, that will be the stuff of legends.
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   Posted: 11/25/2016 10:18:54 PM 
Let's face it...IF all goes according to Hoyle we get creamed.

The good news is they still have to play the game. Let's hope we bring our A+ game an WMU brings a C-. Then, anything can happen!
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   Posted: 11/26/2016 6:40:14 AM 
ou79 wrote:
And I thought this was going to be some thread about how we have been humiliated the last 3 times we appeared in the MACC under FS and Co.


2006 CMU 31, Ohio 10
2009 CMU 20, Ohio 10
2011 NIU 23, Ohio 20

ou79, sorry those teams made you suffer such "humiliation." Congratulations you have now advanced to fan "Top 10" level. Any loss is "humiliation." You suffer right along with the players, though somehow, you avoid the actual injuries, surgeries and rehabilitation. Thank God, I don't feel your pain.

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   Posted: 11/26/2016 10:32:23 AM 
I guess my sarcasm should have been more obvious. Given the number of recent posts on here about FS & Co. one way or the other, my attempt at humor apparently failed. I don't expect you to "feel my pain", whatever that means. Go Bobcats!

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   Posted: 11/26/2016 12:28:36 PM 
Here's the real problem, our offense has been a no-show at all three MACC games. And in 2009 and 2011, we had a significantly better offense than we do in 2016. And in 2011, that NIU team had an awful defense and we couldn't move the ball against them. People like to say that we blew that game or "choked", but that 20-0 first half was an illusion, built on a trick play and some uncharacteristic interceptions by Harnish. We just needed one half decent drive in the second half to put that away and we had nothing. Just one drive in 30 minutes of football!

We are seriously going to have to hold WMU to under 20 to have a chance.
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   Posted: 11/26/2016 1:43:38 PM 
interesting tidbit about what almost was- IF Ohio had not choked in 2011 and IF Kent State had not blown it in 2OT 2012 (these are two big IFs, I know) then there would have been a 9 year period from 2005-'13 where all 6 MAC East teams had each won a championship and CMU was the only winner from the West.

if, if, if...

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   Posted: 12/2/2016 9:26:22 AM 
The pressure is ALL on WMU. This game has eaten undefeated and ranked MAC teams alive!
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   Posted: 12/2/2016 11:15:22 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Here's the real problem, our offense has been a no-show at all three MACC games. And in 2009 and 2011, we had a significantly better offense than we do in 2016. And in 2011, that NIU team had an awful defense and we couldn't move the ball against them. People like to say that we blew that game or "choked", but that 20-0 first half was an illusion, built on a trick play and some uncharacteristic interceptions by Harnish. We just needed one half decent drive in the second half to put that away and we had nothing. Just one drive in 30 minutes of football!

We are seriously going to have to hold WMU to under 20 to have a chance.

An interesting question, for which I have no answer is, how much of Ohio's problems in Detroit are attributable to cramping? I have a strong memory of Ohio players on the sideline fighting cramps in all three games. Apparently that was partially caused by Ohio practicing outside in the cold, and then playing inside in the heat. This year Ohio will have the IPF. Will it help? How much? I'm pretty sure WMU has one, too, so it's not an advantages, but rather a level playing field.

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   Posted: 12/2/2016 11:16:13 AM 
No excuses.

Stop it.


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   Posted: 12/2/2016 11:50:13 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Here's the real problem, our offense has been a no-show at all three MACC games. And in 2009 and 2011, we had a significantly better offense than we do in 2016. And in 2011, that NIU team had an awful defense and we couldn't move the ball against them. People like to say that we blew that game or "choked", but that 20-0 first half was an illusion, built on a trick play and some uncharacteristic interceptions by Harnish. We just needed one half decent drive in the second half to put that away and we had nothing. Just one drive in 30 minutes of football!

We are seriously going to have to hold WMU to under 20 to have a chance.

An interesting question, for which I have no answer is, how much of Ohio's problems in Detroit are attributable to cramping? I have a strong memory of Ohio players on the sideline fighting cramps in all three games. Apparently that was partially caused by Ohio practicing outside in the cold, and then playing inside in the heat. This year Ohio will have the IPF. Will it help? How much? I'm pretty sure WMU has one, too, so it's not an advantages, but rather a level playing field.



I don't know to what extent cramps affected us in those games, but again, before last year's bowl game, we had the IPF, and the offense was still a complete no-show. App State was a good team, no doubt, but we need to find a way to move the ball.
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   Posted: 12/2/2016 12:15:21 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
I don't know to what extent cramps affected us in those games, but again, before last year's bowl game, we had the IPF, and the offense was still a complete no-show. App State was a good team, no doubt, but we need to find a way to move the ball.

I remember during those games everyone attacking Sonny Sano for all the cramps, and demanding that he get fired. I also remember someone on BA even suggesting the use pickle juice for preventing cramps. I don't recall anyone at the time suggesting that it might result from practicing outside and playing inside.

In any case, these days it is Dak Notestine in charge of conditioning for the football team, and this year they do have an IPF, so they practiced inside to prepare for playing inside. If there are no cramping issues we won't know if the reason is the change to Notestine, or the ability to practice inside, but it won't matter - whatever the reason, I'll be happy to see the cramping issues gone.

In either case, I totally agree that the offense needs to show up to win. I'm hoping that Ohio will have a healthy Windham, and that Brown and Irons will both be 100%, and perhaps Hardy, too, and I'm also hopeful that Mayne Williams will be back. Ohio is playing on 10 days rest, so that is a few extra days for recovery, and I'm hoping it pays off big time. If Maxwell struggles, I hope Windham can come in and give a spark, as he did against Toledo. I have this feeling, for some reason, that Windham is going to come in and play the game of his life.

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   Posted: 12/2/2016 12:24:06 PM 
The line has dropped several points on the game.
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