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If Maxwell progresses or Keszei impresses our running backs (all 4 return) can do the dirty work. Cope, Ball and Belack are going to be a tough trio and Mangen is back along with 3 linemen. Defensively we return 3 key linemen and 2 linebackers with Croutch ready to step in. Our defensive backfield will actually be a strength with Hagan leading the way and Zervos and Farkas are both weapons already as freshmen. Let's get it done! Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,247 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/2/2016 11:54:33 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: The pieces are in place for next year. If Maxwell progresses or Keszei impresses our running backs (all 4 return) can do the dirty work. Cope, Ball and Belack are going to be a tough trio and Mangen is back along with 3 linemen. Defensively we return 3 key linemen and 2 linebackers with Croutch ready to step in. Our defensive backfield will actually be a strength with Hagan leading the way and Zervos and Farkas are both weapons already as freshmen. Let's get it done! My thoughts exactly. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,010 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:00:07 AM  I love sports...there is always next year. But, as usual I can assure you we will have one or two weak positions, we'll end up 7-5 or 8-4, come in 2nd in the East and go to a bowl of some kind. It will be the kind of football we have become accustomed to! Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:06:57 AM  Casper71 wrote: I love sports...there is always next year. But, as usual I can assure you we will have one or two weak positions, we'll end up 7-5 or 8-4, come in 2nd in the East and go to a bowl of some kind. It will be the kind of football we have become accustomed to! So Casper. Of Western and Ohio, which has the best chance of returning to the MACC game? "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,010 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:14:35 AM  Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:18:43 AM  Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,010 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:28:48 AM  Bcat2...I don't like it that is just how I see it. You know the issues I have with recruiting. I love how our players played tonight. I am just convinced we like undersized, slower hard working kids we can help develop and coach up. I just don't think it ever leaves us with enuff BETTER players to win the MACC. Tonight was a prime example. We came close but WMU just had MORE BETTER personnel than us. That is why they won. And, I think they will have a bunch of guys coming back given the PJ recruiting of the last 4 years. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:31:21 AM  Casper71 wrote: Bcat2...I don't like it that is just how I see it. You know the issues I have with recruiting. I love how our players played tonight. I am just convinced we like undersized, slower hard working kids we can help develop and coach up. I just don't think it ever leaves us with enuff BETTER players to win the MACC. Tonight was a prime example. We came close but WMU just had MORE BETTER personnel than us. That is why they won. And, I think they will have a bunch of guys coming back given the PJ recruiting of the last 4 years. Right. Got it. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 1:22:17 AM  Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top RPO R6V General User Member Since: 1/7/2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 2:07:06 AM  bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. This. Back to Top Bobcat-7.0 General User Member Since: 12/19/2013 Post Count: 160 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 8:09:18 AM  Casper71 wrote: I love sports...there is always next year. But, as usual I can assure you we will have one or two weak positions, we'll end up 7-5 or 8-4, come in 2nd in the East and go to a bowl of some kind. It will be the kind of football we have become accustomed to! Groundhog Day - all over again . Back to Top Bobcat-7.0 General User Member Since: 12/19/2013 Post Count: 160 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 8:20:51 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: The pieces are in place for next year. If Maxwell progresses or Keszei impresses our running backs (all 4 return) can do the dirty work. Cope, Ball and Belack are going to be a tough trio and Mangen is back along with 3 linemen. Defensively we return 3 key linemen and 2 linebackers with Croutch ready to step in. Our defensive backfield will actually be a strength with Hagan leading the way and Zervos and Farkas are both weapons already as freshmen. Let's get it done! I hope Someine beats Maxwell for the QB spot next year.. Also after the MACC I'm not convinced any of these RB's can cut it. Let's hope for AJ or the Pick Cent kid as the starter next season. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 8:31:47 AM  Good point about Miami. Right now I'd at least make them co-favorites for the East, if not outright favorites. And for whatever crazy reason, not only does Ohio seem snakebite with injuries, they are slaughtered with injuries in one or two key positions. Ohio must stay healthy to have any chance of winning the MACC. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 9:40:13 AM  Bobcat-7.0 wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: The pieces are in place for next year. If Maxwell progresses or Keszei impresses our running backs (all 4 return) can do the dirty work. Cope, Ball and Belack are going to be a tough trio and Mangen is back along with 3 linemen. Defensively we return 3 key linemen and 2 linebackers with Croutch ready to step in. Our defensive backfield will actually be a strength with Hagan leading the way and Zervos and Farkas are both weapons already as freshmen. Let's get it done! I hope Someine beats Maxwell for the QB spot next year.. Also after the MACC I'm not convinced any of these RB's can cut it. Let's hope for AJ or the Pick Cent kid as the starter next season. Western Did not fear Ohio's passing. They came in planning to stop the run. That is why the receivers were more successful. Don't blame the backs. Old lineman here. Line of scrimmage was a war zone. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,551 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 9:42:27 AM  Bobcat-7.0 wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: The pieces are in place for next year. If Maxwell progresses or Keszei impresses our running backs (all 4 return) can do the dirty work. Cope, Ball and Belack are going to be a tough trio and Mangen is back along with 3 linemen. Defensively we return 3 key linemen and 2 linebackers with Croutch ready to step in. Our defensive backfield will actually be a strength with Hagan leading the way and Zervos and Farkas are both weapons already as freshmen. Let's get it done! I hope Someine beats Maxwell for the QB spot next year.. Also after the MACC I'm not convinced any of these RB's can cut it. Let's hope for AJ or the Pick Cent kid as the starter next season. I like Brown and Irons. AJ is the star, but those two are capable. Tough to get rushing yards when Western, like Akron did, rushes at least six defenders in the box on run plays and dares us to beat them through the air. We need better quarterback play next year. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 9:50:17 AM  RPO R6V wrote: bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. This. Yup. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 9:55:00 AM  Casper71 wrote: I love sports...there is always next year. But, as usual I can assure you we will have one or two weak positions, we'll end up 7-5 or 8-4, come in 2nd in the East and go to a bowl of some kind. It will be the kind of football we have become accustomed to! Book us for 5 MAC wins and 2-2 at worst non conf with schedule. (Should be 4-0) We say it every season... But show me one with less than 4 losses. Oh. That's right. It's never happened under Solich. I'd even put BG back towards the top of the East with the way they played at the end of the year and with what they have coming back. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 10:56:54 AM  bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. What magical runs did BG and Ball State have? They haven't been to any bowls better than Ohio has been to in the last 12 years. NIU had a magical run at the Orange Bowl and now WMU has a shot at Cotton. Both very cool and exciting. It's what we should aspire to. But don't play this out like it happens all the time and Ohio is the only team left out. Up until this point, every MAC team outside of NIU's dream season had a highlight of a Potato/GMAC/Go Daddy/Little Caesers/Beef O Brady bowl. It's how the MAC works. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,803 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 11:22:49 AM  bshot44 wrote: RPO R6V wrote: bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. This. Yup. +1 Back to Top BuddyLee General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 671 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 11:56:20 AM  Can Maxwell improve leaps and bounds this offseason both physically with his arm and in running this offense? I really do see some raw talent in him (although maybe not Roethlisberger esque as someone had mentioned before). I hate to place so much on one guy, but unless we pull in a quality juco QB recruit I don't see anyone else who's ready. Last Edited: 12/3/2016 12:54:07 PM by BuddyLee Back to Top Cats-22 General User Member Since: 9/30/2006 Post Count: 370 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:07:54 PM  bobcat695 wrote: WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. That's just a different value system than Ohio has. Ohio wants to be good every year, and then if the stars align, put together a great run with multiple championships. They don't want a revolving door of coaches, suffering through a terrible 1-11 season in hopes of getting one season with College Gameday three years later. In my opinion Ohio's approach is way better for the student-athletes, it's not close. The revolving door approach might be more fun for some fans. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:08:21 PM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: bshot44 wrote: RPO R6V wrote: bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. This. Yup. +1 This ultra-conservative staff will never win a MAC title. How do I know this? Get em, bcat2. Get that discussion about who'll be better next year between us and WMU. We all care so much about that. When you have nothing to lose and have a chance for a MONSTER upset but 1) you run it instead of passing on 3rd and 14 from your own 10 on your 2nd last drive of the first half...you give up by running it instead of passing, instead of taking a legit stab at getting a first down, and 2) down 23-7 when you get the ball back at your own 25 with 36 seconds to go on your last drive of the first half and you run it to run out the clock instead of passing, instead of trying to score...then you are ultra-conservative, fear of a turnover Solich... and you'll never win a MACC. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:32:30 PM  bshot44 wrote: RPO R6V wrote: bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. This. Yup. No way in hell Western plays on New Years Day! Not going to happen! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 12:50:56 PM  I like Frank Solich. I really do. From all that I can see he's a straight-shooter, he's a really good guy, and he really cares. But I want a MAC title. Winning is the prime reason a coach is hired. Base-line requirements re clean program, academic progress etc are not, by themselves, enough. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: The way too early look ahead    Posted: 12/3/2016 1:09:57 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: bshot44 wrote: RPO R6V wrote: bobcat695 wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Easy answer...WMU. PJ has signed on average 10 or more 3-star guys the last four years. They are loaded and will get another hungry young coach who has enthusiasm and the desire to continue their winning ways. Potentially, they could be like NIU. In the East Miami will be much better and it will be a dog fight. I wouldn't say either is a lock but I'd rather be in their shoes. And remember you have Toledo and EMU who are getting better along with CMU. We may win the East again but without MUCH BETTER QB play we will struggle. Got it. We will revisit this later. They lose seniors and likely a coach, like BG did this year. WMU is the talk of the country. They got Gameday and will play on January 1st. Do you think anyone in Kalamazoo cares about the 2017 MAC title game right now? I'd trade three 3-9 seasons for one 13-0 season. Winning 57.5% of our games each and every year doesn't make me piss my pants with excitement. In the past 12 years, I've watched BG, NIU, Ball St, and WMU have magical runs. Our big highlight season was a Potato Bowl win. This. Yup. No way in hell Western plays on New Years Day! Not going to happen! Exactly. 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