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allen
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Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 11:10:38 AM

I am so happy for Frank, last year I was saying to myself that he would not change, not only has he changed, he has forced change amongst other. Our team came out throwing the long ball and once we hit Belack for the 57 yarder, Toledo could not keep eight in the box and that is when Dorian Brown became a manchild. At the end of the game Toledo tried to put eight in the box and we threw on 3rd down and six instead of running Brown up the middle. We got burned for a 98 yard pass but we still blitzed on second and third down on the last drive. At the end of the game (Nelson you have to close the deal as a senior when your number is called), Frank acknowledged Maxwell's courage, but he also said he needed to clean up his throws. Maxwell seemed a little anxious in the first half and he was way long, but the kid is a freshmen playing his first game on national tv. The coaches could have muted him, but they stuck with the gameplan. The coaches have made some changes. We should not blitz every second and third down nor should we pass on every third down, but we need to play to win and not to lose and that is what we saw last night. We have lost a lot of great players and it is easy to feel sorry for ourselves and go to a mediocre place. These kids want to win, so we need to believe and be relentless for them. Let's go Cats

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 12:04:18 PM

+1 allen ! I would add that as we started the year, this team came out throwing the ball deep,(long bomb to Pappi) and doing some things on offense and defense that we have not seen much of. (blitzes, different coverages, reverses, multiple backs) As the staff learned what we do well and what we don't do well, our game plans have evolved during the year. Some posters on here contend that any mentioning of injuries amounts to "making excuses" for poor performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Injuries to key players provide answers for why we are doing certain things, and not doing others. For instance, with Cope and Pappi out, we have struggled to take the top off the defense with the long ball. This problem was made worse with early season dings to Pappi, and to Dorian which has allowed our opponents to try to concentrate on #6, rolling coverages toward him. Things that we had worked on all spring and early fall to feature multiple running backs attacking the edges had to be scrapped as guys went down and out. We had to do what available personnel were capable of doing to win some games. (moving Bo from defense back to offense) As some guys are returning to form, we can see some of the potential that was present early on. Playing some field position football which can allow our defense to get some rest is not always exciting to watch, but it can keep you in position to win a game in the second half if you can garner a lead, and have a strong kicking game.
On defense, I agree that you have to pick your spots to blitz or not to blitz. Early on, with so much inexperience on the back end, we have counted on underneath coverage support from our three athletic linebackers. As our defensive backs have matured through experience, we have seen Burrow adjusting and turning our backers loose in key situations. Subtle, but very effective adjustments by our coaches have been visible all season long, culminating with last night's performance.

Last Edited: 10/28/2016 12:08:55 PM by doubledribble

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 12:12:28 PM

Very true, Poling doesn't have the int's but he is alway's underneath wreaking havoc and forcing QB's to adjust their throws. Brown and Moore have ran free and made plays, Hagan has stepped up. Burrow has been putting band aids on the defense all year. Albin has figured out how to put defenses at disadvantages, when you force the ball down the field with deep throws, the safeties cannot creep up and Frank has called out the coaching during the previous weeks.If he wins out, he should be coach of the year.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 12:14:02 PM

Good analysis, doubledribble. You, obviously, have a great eye for the game and the subtle things that many regular fans like me miss unless they are pointed out in clear fashion as you have done. Thanks.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 3:55:47 PM

Sorry. But injuries happen to every team every year.

To say that injuries mean we can't do certain things or are forced to do other things is to say that we're not prepared for something that happens to every team every year.

Stop using injuries--no matter what their volume--as an excuse.

Just, please, stop it.

Otherwise, it's we won a number of MAC titles....Really, we did?....Well, would have but for injuries.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 4:13:51 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

. . . To say that injuries mean we can't do certain things or are forced to do other things is to say that we're not prepared for something that happens to every team every year. . . .

Huh? I'm not a good Xs and Os guy, but even I know that this indicates that you aren't either.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 4:20:22 PM

Huh? I was essentially quoting doubledribble's thought (see his post above) that injuries limit what we can do or force us to do things that we don't want to.

Stop seeing what you want to see, please. See what's there.

Good call.

Last Edited: 10/28/2016 4:20:52 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 4:33:34 PM

Please carefully read what doubledribble said, and then look at your spin on what he said. Doubledribble was clear that we were adjusting based on injuries. You said that we shouldn't have to adjust. That's about as ignorant a statement about football game planning as I've ever seen.

Last Edited: 10/28/2016 4:34:29 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/28/2016 6:15:10 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Obviously players are each different, and have different strengths. One QB might be a better passer while another might be a better runner. One RB might be a better power runner, while another might be better outside. Therefore it is equally obvious that when one player is hurt, a good coach will adjust his strategy to take advantage of the best strengths of the replacement. Even Monroe would understand that, so I think this is just a case where he didn't really read what doubledribble wrote, and where he responded without really thinking about it.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 10:08:42 AM

I gingerly turned on this week's televised contest with no small amount of concern that ohio would be overmatched, which would negatively impact my mood on the first evening of a 10 day vacation that I've been eagerly awaiting.

Props to Frank. Big time. He had the boys well prepared, makes a fella proud to be a Bobcat!

Bowl eligibile for 8th consecutive year is tremendous.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 10:09:34 AM

Stupid phone would correct eligible spelling. Mea culpable, fam...

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 11:51:37 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Tell me how you prepare for losing your top 5 running backs. You're sound crazy when you say things like this.

Last Edited: 10/29/2016 12:10:02 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 1:04:50 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Tell me how you prepare for losing your top 5 running backs. You're sound crazy when you say things like this.

As doubledribble correctly pointed out, you don't "prepare for it", you adapt to it, which may mean adapting the plans. If your power backs are all down, and you have White, you run outside more and inside less. If your speed guys are off, you go deep less, and so on.

Monroe obviously understands this. He just saw the word "injury", and posted his standard reply without reading what doubledribble actually wrote.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 2:14:55 PM

Be a true believe who endorses everything that Solich ever did, said, or breathed if you want.

But get what I said correct, please.

Here's what doubledribble wrote (in relevant part): "Some posters on here contend that any mentioning of injuries amounts to "making excuses" for poor performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Injuries to key players provide answers for why we are doing certain things, and not doing others."

And, my view is that I don't buy injuries as an excuse because they happen to about all teams every year and, so, a coaching staff must know they'll happen and have plans to address injury depletion.

This, because so many years this staff has been let off the hook because of "injuries."

I don't buy injuries as an excuse.

And no one else should either.

Deal
with
it.

Don't misconstrue miss the point of what I write.

Deal
with
it.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 2:20:28 PM

Obviously, a staff must adjust when injuries occur.

That's so obviously true that it goes without saying.

It's equally obviously true that injuries will always happen and so a staff must be prepared for them.

What's not true...well, fair....is that a staff is repeatedly, continually let off the hook, allowed to mediocre perform because of "injuries."

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 2:20:45 PM

Solich has created urgency for change, he has called out coaches and players for their performance. The team is alot more aggressive than before, he is not settling for the status quo. He believed like we could beat Tennessee, which we could have, he is upset when we lose due to bad play-calling and bad defense. Players have been elevated. This is a new coach and if we win the MAC, he sjould be coach of the year. We lost all of our running backs at one point and our top two QB's and top four corners, we need to concentrate and make sure that we don't implode, like we have done years prior.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 2:22:03 PM

Obc2 wrote:

Bowl eligibile for 8th consecutive year is tremendous.

Longest streak in the MAC if I am correct.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 2:26:36 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Obc2 wrote:

Bowl eligibile for 8th consecutive year is tremendous.

Longest streak in the MAC if I am correct.

We have to be honest, we have been munching on cupcakes, it's time to take a step forward. We have had the same coaching staff for 12 years in a weak division, we should be bowl eligible every year.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 2:57:28 PM

allen wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

Obc2 wrote:

Bowl eligibile for 8th consecutive year is tremendous.

Longest streak in the MAC if I am correct.

We have to be honest, we have been munching on cupcakes, it's time to take a step forward. We have had the same coaching staff for 12 years in a weak division, we should be bowl eligible every year.

Winning the MACC is that step forward to be considered more a player nationally.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 3:28:40 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

...
Here's what doubledribble wrote (in relevant part): "Some posters on here contend that any mentioning of injuries amounts to "making excuses" for poor performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Injuries to key players provide answers for why we are doing certain things, and not doing others."...

Monroe, you quote the correct part, then proceed to construe it to mean exactly the opposite of what he said. His statement seems clear enough to me, but apparently not to you so let me state it but you another way.

Restated:
It is possible to mention injuries without using them as an excuse. Injuries cause coaches to adapt their game plan, and therefore may explain why coaches try to do some things and don't try to do others.

There isn't anything controversial here. There isn't any excuse making. All he says is something that you agree with, that injuries affect strategy. Obviously, if the only healthy back was White, you wouldn't want the coaches to call the same plays as if AJ was in.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 8:44:11 PM

LC, thanks for trying to help the "short bus" posters understand that injuries are not excuses, but can play major roles in what a team is able to do and not do as a season progresses. There is not much doubt that your clear translation or explanation will go in the front door of the "short bus" and out the back door.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 10:32:42 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I agree with you roughly half the time, but it's clear you've never played football. Injuries do happen to every team. And they are always affected by them. When you lose certain starters at certain positions it always limits what you can do. Especially on defense with blitz packages and stunts. I don't care how many "stars" a recruit has. VERY FEW players can just step in to a starters role like nothing's changed.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/29/2016 10:55:21 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So in your world the Carolina Panthers can do the same things offensively whether Cam Newton or Derek Anderson is behind center. ooooooookau.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/30/2016 12:55:31 AM

In my world, in year 12 in a weak conference which has 13 teams, I expect at least one conference title.

And, I do not accept injuries as an excuse against the failure to achieve that title when there have been a few other years in which followers of OHIO on this board have pointed to injuries as a cause of the failure to achieve the title.

Yeah, in the face of injuries, you adjust and do what you are able...as all teams do all years.

But one time in ALL THOSE YEARS in a weak conference you bring down a title. As other teams do.

Unless you are mediocre.

I don't want to hear anything about injuries. Get it done.

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RE: Frank Solich

Posted: 10/30/2016 12:56:43 AM

Hey, should we have another thread about injuries as a barrier we can't overcome right next to another dreaming thread about OHIO moving to a new conference?

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