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Topic: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Topic: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

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L.C.
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Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/23/2016 7:44:43 PM

Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

	Stick with Windham unless he gets hurt
	Stick with Maxwell unless he gets hurt
	Use both and go with the hot hand
	Start Windham, use Maxwell in the 2d qtr, 2d half goes to the one that does best
	Start Maxwell, use Windham in the 2d qtr, 2h half goes to the one that does best
	Neither - Try Duckworth, or something else
	Use Windham in running situations, Maxwell in passing situations
	Use Maxwell in running situations, Windham in passing situations
	Alternate Series till one is clearly ahead
	Alternate quarters till one is clearly ahead

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Is there a QB controversy? Is one QB clearly better than the other? What do people think. I tried to list the options, and tried to make sure there was no bias in the wording of the question by making the answers symmetrical.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/23/2016 8:20:11 PM

After seeing what Nick Holley did, I'm tempted to suggest we put Papi White at QB and just let him run it every play.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/23/2016 8:30:59 PM

Nick Holley is one tough kid. He took a number of big hits and kept jumping right back up and at it again. He was almost impossible to contain inside the pocket with his speed and quickness. I really think he may have gotten a bit tired at the very end of the game which could have helped us after our fumbled punt.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/23/2016 11:30:00 PM

C Money wrote:

After seeing what Nick Holley did, I'm tempted to suggest we put Papi White at QB and just let him run it every play.

In that scenario though, Papi wouldn't be running the ball against our Defense...so...yeah

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 11:19:51 AM

To my untrained eye, the offense just "clicks" better with Maxwell in at QB. I don't think Windham is a bad QB, but to me it feels like the ball comes out quicker with Maxwell and he's a little more decisive with the ball. I don't think we're setting the scoreboard on fire with either guy, but I'd start Maxwell at this point. Windham is a good runner and has a big arm, but I'd still favor Maxwell. I've never been a fan of the scheme of having a running QB in to run and a passing QB in for passing downs, I feel it makes your offense too predictable. I think it's a 6 of one, half dozen of the other situation. With Maxwell being the potential future at the position for the next three years, I say let him learn now, trial by fire, and we look forward to him starting next year as the clear #1 guy.

Last Edited: 10/24/2016 11:20:54 AM by 100%Cat

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 11:26:29 AM

Here's an alternative worth considering: Set up a package of plays for BOTH to be in the game at the same time.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 12:27:51 PM

OU_Country wrote:

Here's an alternative worth considering: Set up a package of plays for BOTH to be in the game at the same time.

Slow down. Thinking outside of the box is hard.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 12:39:42 PM

Greg Windham. Maxwell just isnt ready its fairly painful to watch him run. Windham played good against Tennesse and is a threat to keep on the read option. Toledo has athletes who will feast seeing Maxwell try and run.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 1:24:23 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Here's an alternative worth considering: Set up a package of plays for BOTH to be in the game at the same time.

Slow down. Thinking outside of the box is hard.

This would be a waste of valuable late-season practice time in a short week, and a good way to get a qb hurt. and we'd be running an offense with one fewer blocker. Not all thinking outside the box is actually good thinking.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 2:31:07 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Here's an alternative worth considering: Set up a package of plays for BOTH to be in the game at the same time.

Slow down. Thinking outside of the box is hard.

In a short week, I can see how it wouldn't make sense. But for the final two weeks, when there is more than a week between games, it would make a lot of sense for a team struggling to get on the board a lot to throw in a few wrinkles.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 3:24:22 PM

There are about five more options to this than I was expecting when I clicked on this thread.

We're only missing "Draw a name from a hat" or "Monroe"

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 3:41:41 PM

C Money wrote:

After seeing what Nick Holley did, I'm tempted to suggest we put Papi White at QB and just let him run it every play.

Could just run PUTM every down.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 5:59:16 PM

Greg should start as of now. Maxwell looks good in the pocket but he has a lot to learn. Greg uses his legs to escape defenders and runs for 1st downs on 3rd down. He leads our team in passing and rushing statistics. Greg deserves to lead this team in my opinion right now.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 8:43:33 PM

ExCat21 wrote:

Greg's running stats are better that Maxwell's, but Maxwell has the better passing stats:
Rushing:
Windham 78-350, 4.5/carry 3 TDs
Maxwell 18-68, 3.8/carry no TDs

Passing
Windham 120-214, 1282 Yds, 56.1%, 115.9 efficiency 5.99/attempt 8 TD 3 Int 7 Sacks
Maxwell 40-61, 495 Yds, 65.6%, 140.1 efficiency 8.12/attempt 3 TD 3 Int, 1 Sack

This is an interesting poll. Tabulating it, you have 12 Strongly for Maxwell, and 3 strongly for Windham. Nineteen others favor some sort of split until one shows that they are clearly better.

I personally like both quarterbacks. Greg played well early in the year with a good game passing against Texas State and a good game running the ball at Kansas. With Windham at the helm, the Ohio offense did not look good against Miami, particularly in the second half. They faltered again the the second half against BG, and were not good at all in the first quarter against EMU.

Against EMU, Windham was in for 6 possessions, which led to 4 punts, a turnover on downs, a fumble, and no points. Maxwell was in for 6 possessions, which led to two TDs, two FGs, one punt, an interception, and 20 points. That's a pretty stark difference, and it would have shocked me if Maxwell hadn't started against Kent, which he did.

Against Kent, Maxwell struggled more than in his prior games, particularly in the second half, exactly as happened against Miami and BG. Most likely that means that the second half problems are attributable to more than just the QB.

My take is that Ohio needs both QBs, and therefore I'm in the split camp. The difference in the EMU game was so stark that Maxwell deserves the starting job, and while the offense struggled at Kent, a win is a win. Just as the Miami game didn't cost Windham the start, I don't think the Kent game should cost Maxwell the start. That said, however, if the offense struggles at Toledo in the first quarter, I think that we should see Windham in the 2d quarter.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/24/2016 10:44:45 PM

L.C. wrote:

. . . My take is that Ohio needs both QBs, and therefore I'm in the split camp. The difference in the EMU game was so stark that Maxwell deserves the starting job, and while the offense struggled at Kent, a win is a win. Just as the Miami game didn't cost Windham the start, I don't think the Kent game should cost Maxwell the start. That said, however, if the offense struggles at Toledo in the first quarter, I think that we should see Windham in the 2d quarter.

Exactly my position, stated very well. I guess on Thursday we'll see if Frank agrees with us.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 12:39:37 AM

How about a poll asking how to best likely stop shooting ourselves in the foot - Multiple times every game. The choice options could be very interesting - or brutal....

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 1:18:23 AM

RSBobcat wrote:

How about a poll asking how to best likely stop shooting ourselves in the foot - Multiple times every game. The choice options could be very interesting - or brutal....

Go for it. Polls are very easy to make. Just click on "New Poll", which is right next to "New Topic".

Ryan did an amazing job in building this forum. It's one of the nicest forums to use that I've ever encountered.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 11:55:50 AM

L.C. wrote:

ExCat21 wrote:

Two things to consider:

First, giant chunks of Windham's passing numbers came against Texas State, while Maxwell didn't play a snap. Same thing for rushing numbers versus Kansas.

Second, I'd rather use the EMU game as a measuring stick because it's about the only game where there was equal competition for both guys.

I hate the use of the phrase "eye test", but I'll use it anyway. The eye test says that Maxwell is a better passer who is more accurate, and he gets rid of the ball more quickly. No slight on Greg, who performed very well in the first 2-3 games.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 1:44:41 PM

OU_Country wrote:

L.C. wrote:

ExCat21 wrote:

My concern with Maxwell, and I think the reason why he didn't win the job coming out of Fall Camp, is interceptions. He's thrown one in each of lthe last 3 games and has had one dropped in each game. He has 3 INTs in 61 attempts while Windham has 3 in 214 attempts.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 6:52:01 PM

That's a good point, Ted. That is his one stat that concerns me. It's not an uncommon problem for a Freshman QB as they learn to read defenses. Most learn from their mistakes, and the problem gradually goes away.

Actually, though, Maxwell's interception percentage of 4.9% is not bad for a Freshman. Meanwhile, Windham's interception percentage this year of 1.4% is outstanding for any QB, any year. Here are some comparative numbers, year by year and overall for recent quarterbacks:

Boo (2008,2010) 3.9%, 6.9% [5.0% overall]
Bower (2005-7) 3.0%, 9.7%, 4.3% [5.0% overall]
Maxwell (2016) 4.9%
AE (2004-6) 6.0%, 5.0%, 3.2% [4.3% overall]
T3 (2007-2009) 2.8%, 4.5%, 3.2% [3.2% overall]
Windham (2014-2016) 1.4%, 10.0%, 1.4% [2.7% overall]
Sprague (2014-15) 2.5%, 2.6% [2.5% overall]
Vick (2012-2015) 3.3%, 2.2%, 2.5%, 2.4% [2.5% overall]
TT (2009, 2011-13) 8.7%, 2.4%, 1.1%, 3.2% [2.4% overall]

So, Windham this year has been outstanding in terms of interception percentage. The only QB with a better year in that stat than Windham this year was TT as a Junior.

Meanwhile, not a lot of these QBs have Freshman numbers to compare Maxwell to. Even now he's ahead of Boo and Bower's career averages, and ahead of AE's early years.

Last Edited: 10/25/2016 8:54:11 PM by L.C.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 8:18:07 PM

ExCat21 wrote:

Well said and that's where I'm at too.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 8:48:39 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

ExCat21 wrote:

Well said and that's where I'm at too.

Got to stand on the sideline at Kent and Maxwell surprised me with his speed and hard running. He showed much of the same poise as during the 2nd half of EMU game, and his on-the-run long pass to Smith along the sideline was magnificent. He did, though, throw a couple passes that were way wide of the mark - much as Windham has done on his deep flat passes.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/25/2016 10:24:35 PM

Greg also had to play against Tennessee on the road, which is just a tad different than playing at Kent on the road. So for those who want to use the cupcakes of our schedule to cast doubt on his numbers also need to acknowledge the one 5,000lb elephant in the room.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/26/2016 2:54:05 AM

In the first game in which he played, Maxwell was decisive and got rid of the ball quickly.

Against kents, he hesitated, seemed to lock on receivers and not get rid of the ball quickly.

This staff has irrational fear of turnovers. Which sort of make sense given that our offense is so blah. This offense can't overcome turnovers.

I'd much rather have an exciting offense which shows a lot of variety (motion, two back sets, under center, up-tempo, etc, etc) and decisiveness. I bet the players would love it, be charged up about it. That kind of offense can overcome an interception and is not paralyzed with fear of turning it over.

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RE: Based on play thus far the year, who should be the QB?

Posted: 10/26/2016 9:41:14 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Hoping you don't believe my post on Maxwell/Windham was meant to disparage the latter.

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