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BryanHall
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   Posted: 10/8/2016 7:16:49 PM 
The offense is so underwhelming. The Cats looked pretty uninspiring against two very bad teams. I can't imagine they beat both Akron and EMU playing the way they are. I won't even speculate about how they will play against the Toledo and CMU. Do healthier backs solve the problem? I dunno.
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   Posted: 10/8/2016 7:26:07 PM 
Nothing flashy, but they were fine today.

Windham was 20-27 with one really bad INT. Irons averaged 6.4 per carry, Hardy 5.2. Windham ran for a TD.

Injuries are hurting us right now. Once Papi, Cope, and Brown are back on the table, we'll look better.

It's not an eye popping offensive attack. There are definitely enough pieces in place to beat Akron and EMU. Remain steady, avoid turnovers, and I think this offense is pretty solid (low ceiling, high floor).


What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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   Posted: 10/8/2016 9:02:17 PM 
Injuries can only be used as an excuse for so long. You really want to tell me that if North Dakota came to town they wouldn't give us the same problems that they did BG? Good lord, BG is 1-5 and are terrible and you're telling me we only beat em by 6?

Can't really see this team going to the MACC if they keep this up. Still got games against UT, CMU, and an EMU team that is going to be pesky.
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   Posted: 10/8/2016 9:23:54 PM 
This year injuries are at a pretty normal level. They unfortunately all happen to be at the same position. On the positive side, it happens to be the position where Ohio was the deepest. Even after injuries to AJ, Papi, Dorian, Maleek, and Vinny, Bo is a pretty good running back. It's not often you can lose 5 players at one position and still have someone who is excellent. The shame is that I was really looking forward to seeing him on defense.

Yes, it was ugly at times, but it was a win, and a win is a win. If not for the fluke Hail Mary, Ohio would even have covered the spread, and there were bright spots as well as problems.

They need to keep winning one game at a time, and we'll see where they end up.

Edit - One area in particular that I'd like to see improved, is letting off the gas in the second half.

Against KU, they dominated the first half 28-7, then lost the 2d half 14-9.
Against GW, they dominated the first half 30-7, then lost the 2d half 14-7.
Against BG, they dominated the first half 23-7, then lost the 3d half 17-7.

I know that they are playing the reserves a lot, but I'd like to see a little more fire in the second half.

Last Edited: 10/8/2016 10:31:37 PM by L.C.


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   Posted: 10/9/2016 12:06:19 AM 
L.C. wrote:
. . . but I'd like to see a little more fire in the second half.


Frank said the same thing on his post-game radio show. He said they needed to learn how to put a team away. From the tone of his voice, I suspect that this is going to be a point of emphasis going forward and might influence play calling in certain game situations.


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   Posted: 10/9/2016 12:10:04 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
. . . but I'd like to see a little more fire in the second half.


Frank said the same thing on his post-game radio show. He said they needed to learn how to put a team away. From the tone of his voice, I suspect that this is going to be a point of emphasis going forward and might influence play calling in certain game situations.


that's good


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  Message Not Read  RE: blah
   Posted: 10/9/2016 8:07:51 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
. . . but I'd like to see a little more fire in the second half.


Frank said the same thing on his post-game radio show. He said they needed to learn how to put a team away. From the tone of his voice, I suspect that this is going to be a point of emphasis going forward and might influence play calling in certain game situations.


Did anyone else think the play calling was so predictable, especially in the second half, or when we had lots of yardage to cover. I don't pretend to know a lot about coaching, but even I could have been a little creative. It was very frustrating.
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   Posted: 10/9/2016 8:59:40 AM 
joefromperry wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
. . . but I'd like to see a little more fire in the second half.


Frank said the same thing on his post-game radio show. He said they needed to learn how to put a team away. From the tone of his voice, I suspect that this is going to be a point of emphasis going forward and might influence play calling in certain game situations.


Did anyone else think the play calling was so predictable, especially in the second half, or when we had lots of yardage to cover. I don't pretend to know a lot about coaching, but even I could have been a little creative. It was very frustrating.


Yes it was. After the 20 point 2nd quarter, with the defense Ohio has, the plan becomes "end the game." You hope to wear down Bowling Green, grind out 1st downs, burn the clock. It worked. Playing keep away, the ball away from Bowling Green, insured the win. BG would like to run 90 plays, they ran 77. Ohio's predictable play calling still averaged 5.8 per play to 4.8 by Bowling Green. Bowling Green will be back, sooner than later. Wounded, and stung by two successive sacks, 4th and something like 27, they still struck back with a TD. They do not want their dominance of the East to end. Windham played better.

Watched the Western/NIU game. The TV commentators spoke about the predictability of Western Michigan. Run the ball, pull in the defense, throw over the top. Ideally Ohio will become predictable, boring, but, in the MACC game.

I hope Mr Irons is OK. I hope Papi and Dorian can return along with our injured/ill DBs Williams and Tupa.

Last Edited: 10/9/2016 9:06:32 AM by Bcat2


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   Posted: 10/9/2016 9:11:01 AM 
I always think the play calling is predicable. I was particularly puzzled by the absence of targets to Sebastian Smith in the first half. I guess they wanted to work our remaining RBs like Grand Canyon mules to prove the running game was going to work.

The most annoying thing to me, however, is yet another unsportsmanlike conduct call. It was 3rd and 18, and the defense got a stop. Kylan Nelson then threw a fit about something after the play was over, wouldn't go to the sideline well after the play was over, and made contact with the referee. Every single week, someone commits a stupid penalty that hurts the team. I'm just glad it wasn't Blair Brown this week. I see a coaching staff that doesn't demand accountability from the players when it happens every damn week.


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   Posted: 10/9/2016 12:28:35 PM 
bobcat695 wrote:
The most annoying thing to me, however, is yet another unsportsmanlike conduct call. It was 3rd and 18, and the defense got a stop. Kylan Nelson then threw a fit about something after the play was over, wouldn't go to the sideline well after the play was over, and made contact with the referee. Every single week, someone commits a stupid penalty that hurts the team. I'm just glad it wasn't Blair Brown this week. I see a coaching staff that doesn't demand accountability from the players when it happens every damn week.


Agree 100%. I could be wrong, but it appears little is done/said to the guilty player when they go to the sideline. The ESPN3 camera stayed with Nelson after the penalty and he was shown standing all alone on the sideline. Why wasn't a coach in his face? Perhaps they did let him hear about it off camera. But these type of what I call selfish plays, seemingly happening on a weekly basis, should not be tolerated.
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   Posted: 10/9/2016 1:24:04 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
The most annoying thing to me, however, is yet another unsportsmanlike conduct call. It was 3rd and 18, and the defense got a stop. Kylan Nelson then threw a fit about something after the play was over, wouldn't go to the sideline well after the play was over, and made contact with the referee. Every single week, someone commits a stupid penalty that hurts the team. I'm just glad it wasn't Blair Brown this week. I see a coaching staff that doesn't demand accountability from the players when it happens every damn week.


Agree 100%. I could be wrong, but it appears little is done/said to the guilty player when they go to the sideline. The ESPN3 camera stayed with Nelson after the penalty and he was shown standing all alone on the sideline. Why wasn't a coach in his face? Perhaps they did let him hear about it off camera. But these type of what I call selfish plays, seemingly happening on a weekly basis, should not be tolerated.


They pulled Sayles after his penalty. I didn't understand the Kylan Nelson penalty. You had them stopped. Just get off the field and stop complaining. Officials gave him plenty of rope.


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   Posted: 10/9/2016 1:50:05 PM 
DITTO!
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   Posted: 10/9/2016 1:52:40 PM 
looks like some discipline is sorely missing!
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   Posted: 10/9/2016 2:04:18 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
The most annoying thing to me, however, is yet another unsportsmanlike conduct call. It was 3rd and 18, and the defense got a stop. Kylan Nelson then threw a fit about something after the play was over, wouldn't go to the sideline well after the play was over, and made contact with the referee. Every single week, someone commits a stupid penalty that hurts the team. I'm just glad it wasn't Blair Brown this week. I see a coaching staff that doesn't demand accountability from the players when it happens every damn week.


Agree 100%. I could be wrong, but it appears little is done/said to the guilty player when they go to the sideline. The ESPN3 camera stayed with Nelson after the penalty and he was shown standing all alone on the sideline. Why wasn't a coach in his face? Perhaps they did let him hear about it off camera. But these type of what I call selfish plays, seemingly happening on a weekly basis, should not be tolerated.


Based on what I've seen working visiting sidelines as a high school football chain game member and talking with coaches I know at that level, here is what typically happens in that situation.

Just like yesterday, the offending player comes off the field after that kind of penalty. If the foul is obvious, a coach will likely say something quickly as the player comes by to the sideline. However, the head coach and position coaches have to immediately go on to go on to the next play -- the defense is still on the field. So, they rarely if ever get in someone's face.

Also, sometimes the head coach needs to speak with an official to learn more about the infraction if it was on the other side of the field or he didn't see it. Sometimes, they speak with other coaches on the field or in the booth to learn more. Sometimes, the player was 100% at fault. Other times, there was a precipitating or mitigating incident. This gives the position coach or on field coordinator the information they need to have a conversation with the player -- typically after the series. It also gives the coaches information which may be shared with an official about things going on that could've led to the penalty. It looked like Nelson was reacting to something that happened on that play with one of the BG offensive linemen. If so, I'm sure our coaches spoke with the officials about it and they would then pay attention.

As far as coaching up the player, this typically happens when the unit comes off the field from that series or in the locker room at the half/postgame. Some players respond well to have someone in their face, some don't. But, every player understands the consequence of lost playing time. I don't know if it had to do with the penalty, but I don't think Nelson went back in for several series afterward.

Just my two cents.

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   Posted: 10/9/2016 3:20:41 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
. . . but I'd like to see a little more fire in the second half.


Frank said the same thing on his post-game radio show. He said they needed to learn how to put a team away. From the tone of his voice, I suspect that this is going to be a point of emphasis going forward and might influence play calling in certain game situations.

The good side of the second half struggles is that there is no way this team can get a fat head, and think they can just win by showing up. They know they have to continue to get better. They also know they have to win one game at a time. They have shown they can be good, but they need to continue to improve to get where we want them to be.

My goal for the BG game was for the offensive line to improve, thus leading to a more successful rushing attack, and a higher percentage play action passing. I got that, so I can't complain too much. In the next few games Ohio will be facing some of the better rushing defenses in the MAC. That will test whether the offensive line continues to improve, or not. They need to keep getting better, and establish the run against these better defenses. In terms of yards/carry, the top rushing defenses in the MAC are:

1. Ohio 3.2
2. EMU 3.6
3. WMU 3.9
4. Kent, Akron 4.0


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   Posted: 10/9/2016 5:44:28 PM 
Play calling in the second half kept us from blowing anyone away BG. Not going for it on 4 and half yard on the 20 made no sense...then we miss the fg. Horrid play calling and execution. Play not to lose too often. Play to win especially at home.
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   Posted: 10/9/2016 5:57:48 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Play calling in the second half kept us from blowing anyone away BG. Not going for it on 4 and half yard on the 20 made no sense...then we miss the fg. Horrid play calling and execution. Play not to lose too often. Play to win especially at home.


I thought we'd go for it. True, a made field goal by a very good kicker would've required BG to score two TDs and make a pair of two point conversions to tie. But, we were on the right hash with a gusting wind and right footed kicker -- the most difficult try. Converting on 4th down would've taken more time off the clock and forced BG to use remaining times out.

Last Edited: 10/9/2016 7:17:11 PM by Joe McKinley

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