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It's also interesting that we are the team with the most games held in history. Went a little too far west, let's go SJ Earthquakes! Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,273 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 10:01:02 PM  We have held it for more games than anyone. That really doesn't surprise me. Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 10:35:00 PM  Anyone care to explain how this works? Interesting...yet confusing! Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,802 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 10:38:01 PM  As bad as Kansas looked, they might hold it for a while. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,397 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 10:46:08 PM  I don't exactly understand this either, but after looking over the table it certainly appears to me that the Cleve and PaPaL years have taken their toll. I wonder where we'd place with those years excised. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,112 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 11:08:32 PM  The first time a MAC school had ownership of the belt was in 1977 when Ohio lost to Purdue after a long losing streak. From 1988 to 2005 the loser belt bounced around the MAC but the last 10 years watched it bounce between CUSA and the SBC until Ohio lost to Texas State the other week. The worst conference at the top level in college football normally owns the distinction and the MAC schools didn't play at the top level until about 1960 and play other top level schools consistently until the late 1970's. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,397 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 11:26:35 PM  Wes, to clarify your clarification, there were no divisions in college football until 1956, when OHIO was placed in the College Division (Now roughly equivalent of FCS and Div II). Then in 1961, OHIO was elevated to the University Division (FBS today), after winning the College Division National Championship in 1960. So, OHIO only spent five years in small college football officially, except I think that there was a single year a number of years later when OHIO was "on paper" downgraded for one year. As I recall no one actually seemed to known about this downgrade until after it was actually over. I don't recall the details, but I think it might have had something to do with attendance requirements, which are still in place but have not been enforced for years. Last Edited: 9/12/2016 11:30:28 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,112 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/12/2016 11:40:58 PM  But prior to 1956 and some time after that Ohio had a lot of small private schools on the schedule. By who we associated with it was equivalent to DII ball compared to the powers of the day. There were a few upsets like Indiana and Illinois back in the day but that was like an FCS school knocking off an FBS school. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,397 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/13/2016 12:07:11 AM  During Don Peden's tenure we played some B10 schools and other "big time" programs, including Illinois several times (two victories) and Indiana a time or two (a few victories). And, some of those small private schools you mentioned had darn good football programs. In 1921, for instance, we lost to Wittenberg by a greater margin than we lost to Michigan. In 1929 we had an undefeated season beating: Indiana, West Liberty, Ohio Wesleyan, Muskingum, Cincinnati, Miami, Denison, Marietta and Wittenberg. We scored 305 points to our opponents 7. The only team to score on us was Ohio Wesleyan in a 21-7 OHIO victory. We beat Indiana 18-0 and UC 35-0 that year. So, you just can't equate the level of football these private and church-related schools play today with the level they played at back then. One of these small private or parochial schools (can't remember which one now) was the last Ohio school to beat the Evil Empire. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,397 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/13/2016 12:11:12 AM  So, no,it really wasn't like a DII schedule. You just can't mix eras like that come up with the proper equivalences. All you can do is recognize that prior to 1956 there were no divisions and that OHIO played a fairly representative schedule of good college football teams. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,802 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/13/2016 9:07:54 AM  For clarification as to what the Losers Belt is, it basically goes back to the first football game, and the loser of the first game got the distinction. Then whoever loses to that team gets it. So Kansas will retain it until it beats somebody. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,343 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/13/2016 12:03:43 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: For clarification as to what the Losers Belt is, it basically goes back to the first football game, and the loser of the first game got the distinction. Then whoever loses to that team gets it. So Kansas will retain it until it beats somebody. They play at Memphis next week, then start the B12 schedule. Looks like it'll be in Lawrence for a long time. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,273 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/13/2016 8:36:50 PM  Texas St. can claim the winners belt this weekend. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,112 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/13/2016 11:27:01 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: So, no,it really wasn't like a DII schedule. You just can't mix eras like that come up with the proper equivalences. All you can do is recognize that prior to 1956 there were no divisions and that OHIO played a fairly representative schedule of good college football teams. That's a distortion. You try to paint our football history as if OU were Tulane or SMU that played for decades in a major conference only to fall from grace and become a G5 school. At best in those early 20th century decades Ohio was the same a good FCS program today that in a great year could take down power programs but normally played small schools. Prior to the BCS system Ohio never had major bowl access and the MAC was FBS in name only. Today I will agree Ohio's on the level of Tulane and SMU and no different than other rank and file FBS schools but its a relatively recent development. A development to thank McDavis for realizing the importance of. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/14/2016 11:51:22 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: That's a distortion. You try to paint our football history as if OU were Tulane or SMU that played for decades in a major conference only to fall from grace and become a G5 school. At best in those early 20th century decades Ohio was the same a good FCS program today that in a great year could take down power programs but normally played small schools. Prior to the BCS system Ohio never had major bowl access and the MAC was FBS in name only. Today I will agree Ohio's on the level of Tulane and SMU and no different than other rank and file FBS schools but its a relatively recent development. A development to thank McDavis for realizing the importance of. I'd argue that we were above "FCS" level back then. We've always been about where we are relative to the college football world, IMO. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,397 Status: Offline     RE: College Football Losers Belt    Posted: 9/15/2016 12:09:14 AM  catfan28 wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: That's a distortion. You try to paint our football history as if OU were Tulane or SMU that played for decades in a major conference only to fall from grace and become a G5 school. At best in those early 20th century decades Ohio was the same a good FCS program today that in a great year could take down power programs but normally played small schools. Prior to the BCS system Ohio never had major bowl access and the MAC was FBS in name only. Today I will agree Ohio's on the level of Tulane and SMU and no different than other rank and file FBS schools but its a relatively recent development. A development to thank McDavis for realizing the importance of. I'd argue that we were above "FCS" level back then. We've always been about where we are relative to the college football world, IMO. That is correct. Wes has some false analogies in his reasoning, but we've argued about this before, and I don't think he's about to change his opinion. The major flaw in his argument is that he underestimates the relative place in the football world of the 1920s and '30s of the many private and parochial schools that dotted OHIO's schedule, along with the state schools. Heck, St. Mary's of California was a national power back in that era. Here's a quote: from California historian Kevin Starr from his book, "The Dream Endures": "Interesting enough, it was not Cal or Stanford, or even USC or UCLA, that took [the] football message [that West Coast schools were on par with the East Coast schools] most powerfully to the nation in the 1920s and 1930s. It was the much-smaller St. Mary's College in Moraga Valley and coach Madigan who received most attention from the national media. ... By the late 1920s, the Gaels had become one of the best-known football teams in the nation." The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. 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