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Topic: The Ask Frank Nicely to Leave Thread

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Buckeye to Bobcat
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The Ask Frank Nicely to Leave Thread

Posted: 9/3/2016 10:08:25 PM

Before popping off and countering, let me explain:

Personnel:
Every year it seems to be the same consistent themes of problems: no quarterbacks, no line depth, and no secondary. How is it we cannot seem to solve this problem every year? Time and time again, we lack in these departments. Answer: coaching and recruiting. If we cannot lock up a quarterback then what good is it? Sure, say Tyler Tettleton was a good qb, but I argue he quit on his team far worse than anyone. Phantom Sack against Kent State his senior year? Priceless. When he decided to quit, the team followed suit and lost big. Sure say Penn State trumps everything, but then again that's like saying that Benedict Arnold gave us one great battle and quit on us. Offensive line injuries happen frequently. Why is that? Is it because we don't train our lineman properly? Time to ask that question. Onto the secondary, seems to be a story every year that new scheme puts us out of position and seem to be just improving every year. Ever think that at some point you have to coach fundamentals? Food for thought there.

Injuries every year? Obviously you can say freak injuries or whatever, but at some point the training routine has to be considered for potential leaks.

Our walk-on model is a great example for the league. However, when reliance on it becomes greater than our scholarship players, we have problems. How is it that we do not use our scholarships to their fullest extent and seem to always have a significant number of walk-ons receive scholarships? Answer, we're mis-evaluating in the recruiting process badly.

To add on to recruiting, you'd also think that after 11 years that our Ohio recruiting would be on par with Toledo or Bowling Green in-state. Seems like when we go head-to-head with these schools we tend to lose more than win and along those lines still can't recruit effective Ohio quarterbacks when we're one of the top 5 states for producing talent year in and year out.

If you want to know how good our coaches are, ask yourself how many have left for better jobs in the last 5 years. Now ask yourself how many have been promoted in their jobs since leaving. If you want to say Kevin Lightner has done a great job, well last I checked Vanderbilt told him to walk. Since it seems that our defense has the same struggles every year and our offense is a repeating act, you tell me.

Play-Calling
Who can name the first ten plays we run? Who can name our plays in every situation? This horse has been beaten dead enough by everyone on this message board. Onto the next topic.

(Hint: Hey diddle-diddle, _____ up the middle ring a bell?)

Discipline
We happen to get discipline miscues at the wrong place at the wrong time conveniently every year. You can say it's not the coach's fault for the stupid penalties. At some point you have to enforce discipline within your team. How do you prevent stupid penalties? Make the penalties apply in practice. Clearly we aren't coaching discipline if these same breakdowns happen in games. We were #117 in country for fewest penalty yards (11th in country for most) per game last year, and are appearing to be gunning for that again. At some point that comes down to coaching and enforcement.

Along these lines, I remember going out on Court St. the night before games and our entire offensive line along with other players would be out drinking. Want to argue me on this one? Try me. So much for enforcing discipline before games.

Schedule
We have attempted to schedule "strategically" where we are guaranteed our 7 win minimum. How do we do this?

Simple equation here:
-1 money game: Road game we could potential win (not doing too good in this department with Louisville and now Tennessee)
-Parents Weekend AA Game: Automatic win now
-1 Buy Game: Usually a cheap home-and-home with school that stinks (screwed up this year with Texas State)
-Marshall equivalent. I hate to tell you this, but Marshall didn't drop us. We dropped them. We didn't want two tough games on our non-conference slate. Feel free to argue but this was fact. We wanted to get in on home-and-home series with schools we could win against (Kansas, Indiana, etc.)

Because we play in the Big Bad MAC East, we had it pretty easy. We were able to only play one of the MAC West power schools: Toledo, WMU, CMU, or NIU. Having that advantage would protect us pretty well, especially since we've only beaten BG 4 times in the last 15 years. Now that we're middle of the pack, we're going to get those West power games to guarantee us losses. Our schedule with having to see Buffalo, Akron, Kent, and Miami being down horrifically has helped us so much in these regards.

Traditional schedule format:
Home-and-home with crappy team: win
Power 5 Money Game: loss
AA-Parents Weekend: Win
Home-and-home Marshall/Power 5 mediocre: Coin toss
October MAC East: Win
October MAC West Crap: Win
October MAC East: Win
October MAC Wildcard Road Game: Loss
November MACtion Crap East: Win
November MACtion: Loss
November MACtion: Loss (usually embarrasingly and half of you call for firing people)
Last MACtion game: Win (and at this point we tell everyone to relax)
Bowl Game: Choke due to some bizarre thing we couldn't control (Tettleton's ego, penalties, injuries, etc.)

Overall record: 7-4-1

So when we do win our last game of the year to get to #7 or so, the optimists tell us to settle down because we happen to show up for the last game. Otherwise, I look at it as underachieving with the personnel we have. Feel free to do the math against that and I think this theory is pretty solid.

The Doug Collins Effect
This is what I call getting a program to a respectable level and reading Job 3:16 (look it up, quite a good quote to describe this). We can only go so far with Solich coaching us and with his assistants we have reached that point where they can take a team no further, similar to Doug Collins in the NBA and how he has zero championships even though his teams do the same thing every year.

Overall
From reading these boards and watching this team enough we are content with 7 wins every year and at some point the equation has to change. remember the definition of insanity, feels like we do the same thing over and over again hoping for different results. Feel free to have at this theory, but I think the ceiling has been hit. I do acknowledge I am willing to eat crow on this subject if we win the MAC, but as long as we continue this approach, we are going to be a 7 win program until Miami decides to rise up again and we get more of the power West teams, at which point we drop. I argue for a nice retirement for Frank for getting us back to a good point, but not the time has come to nicely send him into retirement, and find a coach able to get us to a MAC Championship.

Last Edited: 9/3/2016 10:15:39 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat

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RE: The Ask Frank Nicely to Leave Thread

Posted: 9/3/2016 11:01:00 PM

You what they say about doing the same things and expecting better, different results?

In lots of detail, you essentially described that very approach from 2014, to 2015,and now probably 2016.

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RE: The Ask Frank Nicely to Leave Thread

Posted: 9/3/2016 11:35:25 PM

Pretty much yes, do the same thing and expect different results=insanity

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RE: The Ask Frank Nicely to Leave Thread

Posted: 9/4/2016 2:00:39 AM

I must say the walk on/transfer thing does not look good this year. Two of our corners most recently played NAIA and JC FB and they were both torched big time! Giving up 400+ passing yards is not something to look at in a positive fashion!

This one is squarely on the Defense that did not respond when our offense scored. They continually let TXST march down the field to take the lead back.

The other big time negative was 13 penalties for 141 yards. That was a big contributor to the loss too!

I really can't believe we had 600+ yards on offense and lost.

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