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Pataskala
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Rugby tackling

Posted: 10/28/2015 9:37:21 PM

Interesting article on how rugby-style tackling may help reduce concussions and is a surer form of tackling: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solom...

I don't know if we're using this, but I noticed we were tackling much better this season until the injuries piled up. A lot fewer YACs and players were wrapping up then going after the ball, which helped account for the takeaways we had in the first six games.

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 10/28/2015 10:57:58 PM

Very nice, and very informative. Thanks for that link. Now that I know what I was looking at, I'm sure I saw Ohio practicing Hawk Roll tackles in some of the instagram posts from fall camp, but while I noticed it, I didn't think too much of it at the time. I remember in particular a drill where the tackler was tackling another player at the thighs, in front of a cushion, and then twisting and rolling.

Now that I know what they are, I'll keep my eye out for them in games. It wouldn't surprise me to find that Ohio was an early adopter, especially given that the focus of the off season was on trying to find safer ways, to keep the team healthy, and also since we know that Ohio State was one of the places that Solich visited.

Last Edited: 10/29/2015 10:16:39 AM by L.C.

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 10/29/2015 10:22:27 AM

I watched some of the video this morning. This just made me feel old. Tackling by shoulder is what I was taught and I guess I didn't realize that there were actually head or chin first school of thought with that as correct form. In hindsight, doesn't that just seem stupid; leading with your head or face?

I also like the rugby reference because my crazy solution to the whole head injury, crown tackling issue is to make helmets less sturdy and reduce the inclination to use them as weapons. Does rugby have a concussion problem? (Serious question for anyone who follows it.)

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 10/29/2015 10:32:41 AM

Yes, an interesting and informative read.

I well recall the tackling technique we were taught, starting in 8th grade (there twarn't no peewee football back in them days). It was meant to do two things: assure a successful tackle and help assure safety.

Step 1: Focus on the ball carrier's belt buckle. Reason: a runner or receiver can fake with head and shoulders but not with his mid-section.

Step 2: When making contact, keep your head up. Reason: it would reduce chance of injuries to neck and head.

Step 3: Drive with shoulder pad at thigh level or below.

My own most memorable tackle came when I was a junior. On the kickoff team, I was the safety. We were leading a game comfortably and wanted a shutout. Late in the game, we again kicked off. The receiver bobbled the kick and, as sometimes happens, his muff led to our kickoff team members breaking away from their assigned lanes. The returner made a right to left cut and I began moving in the same direction. As he broke free, that tackling technique broke in: focus on his belt buckle, keep head up, drive with shoulder pad and wrap at or below thigh level. The returner made a sharp zig. I made the hit - not a 100% immediate takedown but enough to cause him to stumble and go down.

During the ensuing decades of watching football, I seldom see that technique used. I cringe when I see a head down tackle.

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 10/29/2015 10:49:04 AM

Bobcatbob wrote:

Rugby (at least Rugby Union, not sure about Rugby League, but probably) and soccer both (these are just near-top hits from google searches for "Rugby CTE" and "Soccer CTE").

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/health/cte-soccer-rugby /
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25182-rugby-player... /
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17959764
http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/cost-header
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/soccer/researche...
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/soccer-player-diagnosed-cte-...

(Not sure about the relative frequency of CTE in Football vs. Rugby vs. Soccer. That said, we of coursein no way/shape/form know much about the absolute frequency of CTE in football either, but its probably quite low in all of these sports)
http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1381

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 10/29/2015 11:33:22 AM

Proper tackling does not make ESPN or Youtube highlight videos, until they stop showing all the dangerous lead with the head "high" hits and making them out to be so glorious kids will not proceed with the fundamental form of tackling. Tackling is still taught, and drilled, but at the end of the day you want on the highlight reel.

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 9/1/2016 3:05:29 PM

I still keep seeing this in the news. I note that the local team (Nebraska) has focused on this over the winter, and they hope for better tackling with less injuries. Has Ohio made this a point of emphasis?

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 9/1/2016 5:06:59 PM

Bobcatbob wrote:

I think it's semantics. To tackle with your shoulder, your head must first pass across the ball carrier's chest or waist.

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 9/1/2016 7:55:20 PM

I played one year of football at Ohio and two years of rugby at Ohio and I got hurt a lot worse playing football due to helmets. The thing about not wearing a helmet is you definitely use the shoulder and get your head as far away from contact as possible. I did have a friend I worked with die playing rugby in Colorado back in the late 70's early 80's so rugby is not safe, take a bad hit to the head in rugby you can die and in football its just a concussion.

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RE: Rugby tackling

Posted: 9/1/2016 9:30:44 PM

My son's a HS sophomore this year and decided to go out for the football team. It's his first year of organized football -- ever. And he wants to be a WR, which is one of the more vulnerable positions for head and neck injuries. Obviously, my wife and I have a lot of trepidation about this. But I've been to some scrimmages and went to the varsity and JV games last week, and I've been impressed with the lack of really hard hits. Just about all schools teach rugby tackling, and what I've seen so far makes me somewhat less concerned. Of course, he's only been in on the kickoff coverage team, so we'll see what happens when he gets in at WR.

BTW, the varsity plays at Athens in a couple weeks so I might take part of the day off and get a SE Ohio refill.

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