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Valley Cat
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  Message Not Read  Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 9:45:56 AM 
Complete with a reminder of his misstep.

http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/08/windham-star...
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 10:12:02 AM 
I'm excited about this. I honestly hoped last year that Windham would have won the position, but I think he has had an uphill battle since his "misstep". This could be Greg's year to really shine... only time will tell.

Bleed Green and GO OHIO!!
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 11:12:42 AM 
It sounded like he was outplaying Sprague in camp as it was. In the small sample of what we've seen from him, I thought his biggest weakness was decision making, which is something that can be and is learned in time.
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 11:28:15 AM 
Apparently, he was cited for drug trafficking. Just adding that in case you missed it.

#scarletletter
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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 11:33:49 AM 
I thought the exact thing when I read the article. It's only mentioned in an early paragraph and the photo caption, but after reading a substantial piece, the biggest takeaway is DRUG TRAFFICKINGGGG!!!

Unless you can get a quote from Greg talking about how much he has grown in the last 3-4 years, it's not relevant to the story.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 11:44:08 AM 
shabamon wrote:
I thought the exact thing when I read the article. It's only mentioned in an early paragraph and the photo caption, but after reading a substantial piece, the biggest takeaway is DRUG TRAFFICKINGGGG!!!

Unless you can get a quote from Greg talking about how much he has grown in the last 3-4 years, it's not relevant to the story.


Second chances in life are precious. I hope we can all rally behind the young man and his teammates - and his coaches, for that matter, as it appears that the season may be culminating into a perfect storm of second chances.
Sure looks like our kind of team...
Let's Go Bobcats!

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   Posted: 8/24/2016 12:11:06 PM 
For those that don't remember the facts, Greg's roommate was also on the team, and was alleged to be the dealer, and was permanently kicked off the team as a result of this incident. The only version I have ever heard about Greg's tie to the case was that he was asked to deliver a bag of something, and did, and got arrested. So far as I know, no one ever contested that version of the facts, or alleged that Greg has a more significant role. The police were quick to make a plea bargain that resulted in a suspended sentence for Greg, and a year suspension from the team.

Greg never complained, nor denied what happened. He accepted responsibility for his actions, the consequences therefore, and learned from it. After his suspension, he came back and he has by all accounts worked very hard. The year off put him behind Sprague, but now he is poised to show what he can do.

If you remember T3, in his first year T3 was always trying to "make something happen", and that sometimes resulted in the something that happened being bad. That is a common thing among backups. They want to be noticed, and to earn more time. Once T3 became the starter, he settled down and did a good job. I think the same thing will happen to Greg. Greg is now the starter. He no longer has to "make something happen". He just has to relax, play with confidence, and let the offense run.

Greg has the talent to be an outstanding QB. He has the attitude to be an outstanding QB. I'm expecting him to have a very, very good year.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 1:35:11 PM 
In a society of headline readers that's the takeaway. Freshmen seeing the Post have that as their thought on their starting QB. Take the time to read the article, this kid has worked hard earned his spot and put his past behind him.
I always wondered what would have come of Larenzo Fisher. He and Ian Wells started in the win at Penn State. At the time he looked like the one with more upside.
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 2:42:11 PM 
shabamon wrote:
I thought the exact thing when I read the article. It's only mentioned in an early paragraph and the photo caption, but after reading a substantial piece, the biggest takeaway is DRUG TRAFFICKINGGGG!!!

Unless you can get a quote from Greg talking about how much he has grown in the last 3-4 years, it's not relevant to the story.


I agree 100% with Shabamon. I'm not a journalist, but in my opinion, Charlie Hatch, Post Sports Editor, sacrificed journalistic integrity (does that even exist anymore?) to put up a shocking headline that risks putting out skewed information that doesn't tell the whole story even when you read the whole article and click on the link to the prior article. A better headline would have been "Working hard for two years to overcome a horrible mistake in his freshman year which lead to drug trafficking charges, Greg Windham has earned the spot at starting quarterback."

The focus seemed to be on redemption and hard work...sort of. However, it misses the mark on the perseverance and fails to mention what the tattoo on his bicep says: "only the strong survive".

Nor does either the main story or the link to the prior story talk about the impression I, as well as L.C., had of a young man possibly getting duped into dropping off a package. Yes, he pleaded guilty, but he was able to avoid jail time and, from what I can tell, has stayed out of trouble since.

I think Mr Hatch owes Greg Windham a follow up story later in the season focusing more on the long journey back rather than the unfortunate mistake that put him on that journey.

Last Edited: 8/24/2016 3:39:39 PM by SWBC
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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 3:04:50 PM 
SWBC wrote:
...Nor does either the main story or the link to the prior story talk about the impression I, as well as L.C., had of a young man possibly getting duped into dropping off a package. Yes, he pleaded guilty, but he was able to avoid jail time and, from what I can tell, has stayed out of trouble since.
...

I don't necessarily think he was duped. If he was duped, he was innocent because he lacked the mens rea. My suspicion is that he figured he was just doing a favor and it was no big deal ... and learned a hard lesson in the process.

However it happened, you hit on exactly what the true story here is, the story of a man who accepted his punishment, and who, when given a second chance, has worked hard, and made the most of it. While I haven't forgotten the blot on his record, neither have I forgotten his hard work to get back where he is. I will be proud to root for him this fall.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 3:08:28 PM 
Let's have him run more. Are you nuts? If he goes down our season takes on a whole new dynamic. If he gets seriously hurt (as all of our running QB's get hurt).
Also:
I think the article was written with a college age audience in mind. The drug angle is of interest to them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 3:18:21 PM 
As someone who watches every game, I always dreaded the obvious piece from the announcers that could be expected every game. Windham's past will now be a guaranteed mention during every OHIO broadcast this year.

Other guarantees I knew I'd hear every game:

--Tyler Tettleton's dad Mickey, likely then a Froot Loops story (Similarly, Nick Kellogg was always going to have a comment about his dad, Clark)
--AJ being a walk-on who proved himself to earn a scholarship before first game
--T3's (Theodisthree) name origin
--Frank Solich being national coach of year, making it to national championship game (or, that he was a scrappy FB at Nebraska)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Post Windham Article
   Posted: 8/24/2016 3:30:01 PM 
I don't think the article emphasizes his drug arrest. It mentions it once as something he had to come back from. It mentions how he is different now - that he is more confident, the coaches have shown more confidence in him and that he has a growing belief in God.

The headline doesn't mention the drug conviction at all. The headline is "Greg Windham steps into lead role as OU's starting quarterback." It is noted in the cutline under the picture, and probably needs more context there, but that may be a case where the photographer who knows very little about football wrote it and nobody bothered to edit it.

As for his role in his crime, I doubt that the story that he simply delivered a package is public record anywhere since he took a plea bargain, if it is even true. It would not show integrity to publish a rumor about the crime. All that can be said is that he pleaded guilty to the charge and that he's moved on and overcome it.

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   Posted: 8/24/2016 4:22:24 PM 
UpSan, thanks for the correction. While it wasn't the headline, it was still the first thing that jumped out at the reader and I thought that was a bit unfair. You may be correct that it was the photographer that may have written it. I also thought it was possible there could be space limitations for the cutline and better wording may not have fit but I still don't think that should be the first, and possibly only thing many readers see.

Responding to L.C., what I meant by "duped" was he was "duped" by an upperclassman into thinking it was no big deal and it was a very big deal.

I'm optimistic that Windham will shine and also agree with some posters that more two back sets and less of the QB running the ball is what is needed due to the lack of an experienced backup even if Greg's build is more suited to withstanding the hits than his predecessors.

Last Edited: 8/24/2016 4:35:03 PM by SWBC
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 4:38:25 PM 
shabamon wrote:
I thought the exact thing when I read the article. It's only mentioned in an early paragraph and the photo caption, but after reading a substantial piece, the biggest takeaway is DRUG TRAFFICKINGGGG!!!

Unless you can get a quote from Greg talking about how much he has grown in the last 3-4 years, it's not relevant to the story.


I have to disagree. We're talking about the guy's backstory and the good and bad that led him to this point. That's a pretty big deal, and by all accounts seems to have represented a turning point rather than sign of trouble to come. He missed an entire season. You have to say why.
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 6:24:59 PM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
... As for his role in his crime, I doubt that the story that he simply delivered a package is public record anywhere since he took a plea bargain, if it is even true. It would not show integrity to publish a rumor about the crime. All that can be said is that he pleaded guilty to the charge and that he's moved on and overcome it.

When I posted it, it was because I believe it is in fact a matter of public record. I believe it was in a news article at the time. If I am mistaken, and it is merely a rumor, then I apologize, and my post should be edited to delete it.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 8/24/2016 6:57:53 PM 
L.C. wrote:
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
... As for his role in his crime, I doubt that the story that he simply delivered a package is public record anywhere since he took a plea bargain, if it is even true. It would not show integrity to publish a rumor about the crime. All that can be said is that he pleaded guilty to the charge and that he's moved on and overcome it.

When I posted it, it was because I believe it is in fact a matter of public record. I believe it was in a news article at the time. If I am mistaken, and it is merely a rumor, then I apologize, and my post should be edited to delete it.


It may be publicized somewhere and I'm not blaming you for posting it here. Even if it's not true, it would be a rumor that makes him look better. At the very least, it probably was how his attorneys defended him. I was just saying that a newspaper story really only needs to give the definite fact, which is that he pleaded guilty.
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 7:03:24 PM 
POST WINDHAM ARTICLE

What, he's done already?

Sorry, that was my first thought when I saw the thread...
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 8:18:42 PM 
Its a shame they had to bring it up again...but lets move on!

I'm genuinely excited to see what Greg can do this year once he settles in.
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 8:27:54 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
POST WINDHAM ARTICLE

What, he's done already?

Sorry, that was my first thought when I saw the thread...



That's funny-I thought the exact same thing!
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   Posted: 8/24/2016 8:51:08 PM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
...As for his role in his crime, I doubt that the story that he simply delivered a package is public record anywhere since he took a plea bargain, if it is even true. It would not show integrity to publish a rumor about the crime. All that can be said is that he pleaded guilty to the charge and that he's moved on and overcome it.

Here is a link to the story:
http://tinyurl.com/zc536n8
WOUB Digital wrote:
...Athens County Prosecutor Keller Blackburn told The Messenger that Windham was the lesser offender in the crime and that Windham had delivered drugs for his roommate, Fisher, one time. He said that that while Windham was essentially just “running an errand,” it is still a felony. Blackburn said he hopes Windham will live up to the diversion terms and that the incident will be a “minor blip” in Windham’s life, one that he will learn from and go on to make better decisions....


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   Posted: 8/24/2016 9:39:04 PM 
Thanks for digging up that article L.C. I knew I didn't imagine it. Looks like it's time for Windham to win them after his three year uphill battle. Wouldn't it be great if he could stay healthy the whole season?
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   Posted: 8/25/2016 9:19:02 AM 

While on the topic of weird Post articles, check this one out.

http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/08/ou-football-...

Uh, why would the team not want to be ruthless?


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 8/25/2016 10:12:39 AM 
SWBC wrote:
Thanks for digging up that article L.C. I knew I didn't imagine it. Looks like it's time for Windham to win them after his three year uphill battle. Wouldn't it be great if he could stay healthy the whole season?


Sounds like he really got involved with the wrong person and probably has learned from it. It's good to see thinks have turned for the positive for him.
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   Posted: 8/25/2016 3:28:42 PM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
I don't think the article emphasizes his drug arrest. It mentions it once as something he had to come back from. It mentions how he is different now - that he is more confident, the coaches have shown more confidence in him and that he has a growing belief in God.

The headline doesn't mention the drug conviction at all. The headline is "Greg Windham steps into lead role as OU's starting quarterback." It is noted in the cutline under the picture, and probably needs more context there, but that may be a case where the photographer who knows very little about football wrote it and nobody bothered to edit it.
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I agree 100%

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