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Scott Woods
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  Message Not Read  OT: Unacceptable!
   Posted: 6/13/2016 3:53:15 PM 
I couldn't find this posted anywhere so I apologize if it is and I missed it.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall_sports/chu...

Chuck Landon wrote:
Maybe MU should have stayed in the MAC

Last Edited: 6/13/2016 3:57:15 PM by Scott Woods

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   Posted: 6/13/2016 4:15:24 PM 
Very interesting! This adds fuel to the fire of my one-man campaign to boot EMU out of the MAC and replace them with Marshall. Now, if I only had a fellow co-conspirator with mega-bucks to "grease the wheels" we might be able to get 'er done. How much money do you think it would take for EMU's "buy out"?

Last Edited: 6/13/2016 4:15:44 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 6/13/2016 4:36:51 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Very interesting! This adds fuel to the fire of my one-man campaign to boot EMU out of the MAC and replace them with Marshall. Now, if I only had a fellow co-conspirator with mega-bucks to "grease the wheels" we might be able to get 'er done. How much money do you think it would take for EMU's "buy out"?


Trading EMU for Marshall is an obvious football and fanbase upgrade, but it's a downgrade in most every other way. It expands the footprint south to a small, poor and declining metro area, which no one outside of some Bobcat fans want. It adds an institution with a known and extensive track record of cheating. Marshall also has a lesser basketball program than EMU. And I don't care enough to look, but I think EMU's pretty solid outside the revenue sports, so probably mostly downgrades those too.

Aside from all that, EMU may not need to be bought out. Who knows how much longer they will be able to afford the charade up there with their football team?
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The Optimist
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   Posted: 6/13/2016 6:34:52 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
...one-man campaign to boot EMU out of the MAC...

I've been accused of this before.

#DeportEMU

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 6/13/2016 6:54:04 PM 
He slipped in a nice use of the phrase "rinky-dink"
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   Posted: 6/13/2016 10:40:16 PM 
Forget Marshall!!! They wanted out of the MAC to move on to better things. They made their decision, live with it.
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   Posted: 6/13/2016 10:49:51 PM 
The easiest way to get EMU out of the MAC is to pay the 4,000 people who come to their home football games and the 600 people who come to their home basketball games to stay home. A hundred bucks a head ought to do it.

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71 BOBCAT
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   Posted: 6/14/2016 9:24:00 AM 
Whom ever is running the Marshall Athletic Department should have had enough foresight to what was happening to have Marshall move to another conference as well. This is a classic case of not reading the best seller "WHO MOVED MY CHEESE",




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   Posted: 6/14/2016 10:18:14 AM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
Whom ever is running the Marshall Athletic Department should have had enough foresight to what was happening to have Marshall move to another conference as well. This is a classic case of not reading the best seller "WHO MOVED MY CHEESE",

GO BOBCATS

I'm sure they tried, but they haven't been able to get it done, and the reason has everything to do with media markets.

The interesting thing about Landon's article is that it is totally focused on the revenue side. He makes the point that CUSA pays them $200k, while the MAC pays $800k. While the $600k difference isn't small, it can be overcome with a single money game. I suspect that the difference is even greater on the cost side.

Traveling distances are much shorter in the MAC, especially with UMass gone. Bus trips are much less expensive than air travel. Also, remember, these expenses are not just for football. Every team, men's and women's, needs to travel to away games. How much does it cost to fly, say, the women's swim team, to Houston, versus busing the women's swim team to Akron? The difference has to be many thousands of dollars for each trip, for each sport.

It would be very interesting to have someone pick the travel expenses out of each individual sport's budget, and add them up to get a total travel budget for the athletic department as a whole, and then compare a CUSA team to a MAC team. I'd be very surprised it the travel budget difference wasn't greater than the revenue difference. I suspect that when you factor in both costs and revenues, Marshall is more than $2 million worse off in CUSA.

Is that unacceptable? Perhaps. Once you make your bed, though, you have to sleep in it.

Last Edited: 6/14/2016 10:20:49 AM by L.C.

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   Posted: 6/14/2016 12:10:21 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
...one-man campaign to boot EMU out of the MAC...


I've been accused of this before.

#DeportEMU



I'll join this campaign.
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   Posted: 6/14/2016 3:47:43 PM 
Call me jaded, call me biased, call me ignorant, but I don't care if I ever see the Herd in Peden Stadium again. I'm pretty sure that would mean I'm against them ever being MAC members again, too.

My point - the fan base are horrible losers and even worse winners. A small-time A&M, IMHO.

Just one man's belief.
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   Posted: 6/14/2016 5:32:41 PM 
4000? I saw about 5000 at the Eastern season opener a couple of years ago and everyone told me that was about 3 times the size of the normal crowd.

Last Edited: 6/14/2016 5:35:18 PM by davepi2
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   Posted: 6/14/2016 7:14:22 PM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
Call me jaded, call me biased, call me ignorant, but I don't care if I ever see the Herd in Peden Stadium again. I'm pretty sure that would mean I'm against them ever being MAC members again, too.

My point - the fan base are horrible losers and even worse winners. A small-time A&M, IMHO.

Just one man's belief.



But that's what makes beating them so sweet. Dontcha want them around for that?


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   Posted: 6/14/2016 7:26:24 PM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
Call me jaded, call me biased, call me ignorant, but I don't care if I ever see the Herd in Peden Stadium again. I'm pretty sure that would mean I'm against them ever being MAC members again, too.

My point - the fan base are horrible losers and even worse winners. A small-time A&M, IMHO.

Just one man's belief.


I enjoy beating teams with fans like you just described.

Two of the better atmosphere games in Peden the last 5 years have been against Temple and Marshall. I don't have any respect for your average herdnation poster of MH-55 as a person, but I am not going to deny beating fans like that is more fun than beating EMU. I can't even say "beating the EMU fan-base" because they don't have a fan-base. They have a small collection of individuals. Crickets. Beating crickets is boring.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 6/15/2016 9:27:54 AM 
I'm sure if Marshall asked to return to the league, Vernon Alden would again scotch the deal, as OCF claims he did in 1969.
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   Posted: 6/15/2016 10:38:52 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
Bobcatbob wrote:
Call me jaded, call me biased, call me ignorant, but I don't care if I ever see the Herd in Peden Stadium again. I'm pretty sure that would mean I'm against them ever being MAC members again, too.

My point - the fan base are horrible losers and even worse winners. A small-time A&M, IMHO.

Just one man's belief.


I enjoy beating teams with fans like you just described.

Two of the better atmosphere games in Peden the last 5 years have been against Temple and Marshall. I don't have any respect for your average herdnation poster of MH-55 as a person, but I am not going to deny beating fans like that is more fun than beating EMU. I can't even say "beating the EMU fan-base" because they don't have a fan-base. They have a small collection of individuals. Crickets. Beating crickets is boring.



I agree with you both. Herd fans are a smaller version of "A&M" fans. But for me, that's why I like playing them and beating them. And no matter what, I think we should play them in all sports' non-conference seasons every year. They're a regional rival that is more relevant to fans than almost any other game that could be on the non-conf schedules.

As for them being in the MAC, they'd be a better partner than EMU, with TV market as the exception.
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   Posted: 6/15/2016 10:29:49 PM 
Actual TV exposure would be better in the Hunt-Chas market. Nobody in Detroit gives a damn.
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   Posted: 6/15/2016 10:48:16 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Actual TV exposure would be better in the Hunt-Chas market. Nobody in Detroit gives a damn.


+1

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   Posted: 6/15/2016 11:01:13 PM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Actual TV exposure would be better in the Hunt-Chas market. Nobody in Detroit gives a damn.


+1



+2

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   Posted: 6/16/2016 9:34:50 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
El Gato Roberto wrote:
[QUOTE=Jeff McKinney] Actual TV exposure would be better in the Hunt-Chas market. Nobody in Detroit gives a damn.


+1



+2

I disagree. Worked for a company based in Detroit and I lived there in the 90's. CMU and WMU cared in the same proportion as MAC fans in Cleveland do. Now if you are solely focused on the EMU fanbase, can't argue that.
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   Posted: 6/16/2016 11:18:11 AM 

Poor Marshall. Wonder how all the humble pie tastes.


I'd take them back no question. Even if we have 13 teams.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 6/16/2016 1:26:10 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Poor Marshall. Wonder how all the humble pie tastes.


I'd take them back no question. Even if we have 13 teams.



Not me! I agree, poor Marshall. Don't want them back! Why would the MAC even consider after taking them back once only for them to look for "bigger and better" and leaving a second time. They deserve what they now have and beware to all of you wanting the same for us. We could end up in their shoes.
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   Posted: 6/16/2016 1:47:05 PM 
Lande71 wrote:

Not me! I agree, poor Marshall. Don't want them back! Why would the MAC even consider after taking them back once only for them to look for "bigger and better" and leaving a second time. They deserve what they now have and beware to all of you wanting the same for us. We could end up in their shoes.


Agree on both counts.
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   Posted: 6/16/2016 3:29:47 PM 
We took Northern Illinois back. They're not dicks, true, but still...
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   Posted: 6/16/2016 3:34:56 PM 
Lande71 wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Poor Marshall. Wonder how all the humble pie tastes.


I'd take them back no question. Even if we have 13 teams.



Not me! I agree, poor Marshall. Don't want them back! Why would the MAC even consider after taking them back once only for them to look for "bigger and better" and leaving a second time. They deserve what they now have and beware to all of you wanting the same for us. We could end up in their shoes.



Bigger and better isn't gonna happen. It doesn't exist in the college sports landscape with maybe the AAC as an exception, and if UC, UConn, et al leave, it's basically the C-USA all over again. If it were a concern, write in the buyout that makes it very cost prohibitive to leave. Marshall is a good fit for the MAC in my opinion.
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