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Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/10/2016 9:07:19 AM

Anyone know when the preseason college football magazines will start hitting the shelves?
I always look forward to the Phil Steele preview as he seems to be the most informed.
I would have to believe that we will be picked either 1st or 2nd in the east and be given a real chance to advance to the MACC.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/10/2016 10:59:57 AM

I looked through one last week at Kroger... It had Ohio as winning the East.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/10/2016 1:48:35 PM

Save your money. Ohio will win the East, WMU will win the West. OU vs WMU in the MACC. Book it. You heard it here first.

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Posted: 6/10/2016 2:27:12 PM

Phil Steele's rag will be available June 28 in Target, Walmart and Walgreens, according to his website.

Sporting News Preseason and Athlon annuals have been out for several weeks here in Columbus...available at both Giant Eagle and Kroger.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/10/2016 2:32:30 PM

brucecuth wrote:

Phil Steele's rag will be available June 28 in Target, Walmart and Walgreens, according to his website

He's picking Ohio tied for 1st in the East.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/10/2016 6:11:57 PM

As the preseason picks come out, they're tabulated here. Right now Ohio is just behind BGSU for the consensus pick in the East.

http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/2016.html

Interesting that McIllece Sports is picking Tennessee #1. I think the Vols will be tough but I'm not sure about #1. McIllece also has Washington at #3 and Nebraska at...#7? Going against the grain in many ways. Might be just click bait but their accuracy in past years hasn't been too bad.

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Posted: 6/10/2016 7:13:27 PM

Anyone recall where Steele picked us each of the last three years?

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/10/2016 8:11:31 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Anyone recall where Steele picked us each of the last three years?

Looks like 3rd, 2.5th, and 2nd, going backwards in time. So tied for 1st would be encouraging.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/11/2016 7:27:12 PM

Cats-22 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Anyone recall where Steele picked us each of the last three years?

Looks like 3rd, 2.5th, and 2nd, going backwards in time. So tied for 1st would be encouraging.

If you start at this URL http://preseason.stassen.com / you can find both the preseason picks for any year, or the overall accuracy of each picker each year.

In 2013, Ohio finished tied for 3rd in the East. In 2014 Ohio finished in 2d in the East. In 2015, Ohio finished tied for 2d in the East. Thus, comparing Steele's picks to the actual results:
2013 - Steele 3, Actual 3.5, Error -.5
2014 - Steele 2.5, Actual 2, Error +.5
2015 - Steele 2, Actual 2.5, Error -.5

In the last three years Steele has never been off by more than .5, but he has been off in both directions. Thus, for him to retain the same accuracy in 2016, if his pick for Ohio this year is 1.5, Ohio would need to finish 1st or 2d.

Overall, year in and year out, across all of college football, Steele is the most accurate picker almost every year. What if you just look at the MAC East, which has been harder than most conferences to pick? I took a look at just the last three years, and just the ability of prognosticators to pick the MAC East, in order to determine which prognosticators have been most accurate concerning the MAC East. Including only those publications with picks each of the last three years, the total errors for the various pickers are as follows.:

The Sporting News 16 [Picks Ohio 2d in 2016]
compughterratings 18
USA Today 18
Phil Steele 19 [Picks Ohio 1.5 in 2016]
Pick Six 19
Arena Fanatic 20
Cap Heresy 21
CPA Rankings 21
Athlon 21 [Picks Ohio 1st in 2016]
Game Plan 22
Lindy 22 [Picks Ohio 1st in 2016]
Preseason Media Polls 22
Gold Sheet 23
Football Outsiders 26
College Football Poll 26.5
McIllece Sports 28 [Picks Ohio 2d in 2016]
Compu-Picks 31

Steele did well in 2013 and 2014, but erred in picking Akron too high in 2015, and Buffalo too low.

Last Edited: 6/11/2016 8:17:45 PM by L.C.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/11/2016 7:32:51 PM

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Save your money. Ohio will win the East, WMU will win the West. OU vs WMU in the MACC. Book it. You heard it here first.

I believe it. I have said for a long time that this will be a good year, and it's nice to see the preseason magazines falling in line. Soon it will be time for the players to prove it on the field.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/11/2016 10:09:17 PM

L.C. wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

Save your money. Ohio will win the East, WMU will win the West. OU vs WMU in the MACC. Book it. You heard it here first.

I believe it. I have said for a long time that this will be a good year, and it's nice to see the preseason magazines falling in line. Soon it will be time for the players to prove it on the field.

I don't know I think QB position is kind of a question mark. Is there going to be another big breakdown in October where the defense doesn't show up for 3 or 4 games in a row.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/12/2016 9:07:20 AM

L.C. wrote:

Cats-22 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Anyone recall where Steele picked us each of the last three years?

Looks like 3rd, 2.5th, and 2nd, going backwards in time. So tied for 1st would be encouraging.

Sorry LC when I said "going backwards in time" I meant I was listing the years in reverse chronological order. In hindsight, that was a weird choice and very unclear.

So it should be:
2013 - Steele 2, Actual 3.5, Error -1.5
2014 - Steele 2.5, Actual 2, Error +.5
2015 - Steele 3, Actual 2.5, Error +.5

A couple earlier years:
2011 - Steele 1, Actual 1
2012 - Steele 2, Actual 3 (notable because Ohio was the overwhelming East favorite that year. 19 prognosticators picked Ohio #1, the remaining 3 including Steele picked Ohio #2)

Last Edited: 6/12/2016 9:13:28 AM by Cats-22

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/12/2016 9:55:42 AM

Cats-22 wrote:

Thanks for correcting me. It's on me, too, as I could easily have looked it up myself. In any case, Steele has been very close, year after year, not only in the MAC, but in all conferences. As for Ohio, he is off by 0,-1,-1.5,+.5,and +.5 the last five years. That's pretty close. Note also that the only two years that Ohio underperformed his pick were 2012, when Ohio was hit by injuries, and 2013, when there were internal team issues.

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I don't know I think QB position is kind of a question mark. Is there going to be another big breakdown in October where the defense doesn't show up for 3 or 4 games in a row.

There are always question marks on every team. For this team I see several. QB, CB, and rebuilding the offensive line. On the whole, tough, I see less questions than most years, and a couple areas that look like they will be really good, such as the front 7 on defense, and the receivers and running backs on offense.

Last Edited: 6/12/2016 12:50:24 PM by L.C.

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RE: Pre-Season Magazines

Posted: 6/12/2016 1:48:58 PM

Looking at the overall picks for the MAC, starting with the West, I'm a little surprised to see Toledo picked as low as third in the consensus. They are the team with the best shot of competing with WMU for the championship on the West, in my opinion. In the West I see Toledo and WMU at the top, with NIU and CMU competing for 3-4.

Turning to the East, I agree with the consensus that it will be Ohio and BG at the top. Below them, however, I'm a little surprised by some of the picks. In particular, I see Buffalo a lot higher than the consensus pick of last place. In fact, I see them in 3rd place. As for the others, I do agree that Miami should be improved significantly this year. They have been recruiting well, and those players will start making an impact this year, so they no longer will be the East doormat, and should be on a par with Akron. I see Kent as improved this year, but not enough to avoid last in the East, given that almost every team in the East will be also be improved.

Overall I think the MAC is going to be significantly improved in both divisions this year. With virtually every team improved, and with the loss of UMass, the MAC is going to be much more competitive than in prior years, with the lone exception of EMU, who will continue to own last place. I think that when the year is out, the MAC is going to look very good compared to most other G5 conferences.

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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:58:59 AM

Just got my Steele mag today. He's got a three way tie for 1st in the East: BG, Ohio, Akron.

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Posted: 6/18/2016 4:56:24 PM

Akron is tough to predict. Because of their heavy reliance on JUCOs and transfers, its a totally different team every year. I note that ESPN and McIllece Sports have Akron as low as 5th, so picks for their finish are all over the board.

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Posted: 6/19/2016 2:57:47 AM

I'm betting that in a general way teams finish as high as their qb is experienced.

Well, at least in terms of pointing to any single position or 3 to 5 man group of players (d-line or receivers or linebackers, etc).

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Posted: 6/19/2016 8:48:28 AM

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Sounds like a sound principle. Right up there with, "Defense Wins Championships" and "Run the Ball, Stop the Run, Win the Game." So you are not for throwing the experienced roster QBs under the bus in favor of the often beloved rookie QB still yet to throw his first interception.

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Posted: 6/19/2016 11:26:07 AM

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I have a friend that likes to bet on games that swears the best bets of the season are the first week, betting on the teams with the most experience returning on the offensive line. It is his opinion that in the early going bettors overvalue returning skill positions, and undervalue the returning linemen, who after all, constitute 1/4 of the players on the team, but who are players few fans pay much attention to. After the first week or two, however, the bets come in based on the actual performance during the first two weeks, and cease to be speculative, so this loses it's predictive value.

Since the QB always gets the actual credit or blame, a returning QB with a poor line is "not as good as expected" or "is having a disappointing season" while a new QB, or one that had a weak season the year before, but who has a solid line in front up him surprises by being "better than expected". Note that I'm not saying that quarterbacks aren't extremely important. I'm just saying that as important as they are, fans put even more importance on them, and tend to forget that players around them can also affect their performance.

How does this apply to Ohio? well, it's hard to say. Ohio lost three three-year starters on the offensive line, McQueen, Powell, and Lucas. They backups, like McCray, Pruehs, Lowery, and Cooper have played some, so hopefully the dropoff won't be too great, but we'll have to see. Also, we will have to wait until the actual games to know because Ohio's defensive line is going to very, very good, and will almost certainly dominate the Fall scrimmages.

Last Edited: 6/19/2016 4:21:31 PM by L.C.

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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:31:53 AM

L.C. wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Without a doubt, Ohio's offense for the last decade has gone as the offensive line has gone. The same quarterbacks and running backs have looked better or worse from year to year based largely on the offensive line talent.

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Posted: 6/20/2016 10:51:45 AM

If Cleveland can win a championship in any professional sport, OHIO football can win a MAC title this year.

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Posted: 6/20/2016 12:07:37 PM

Ohio might be the pick of MAC coaches. ESPN ran this article: http://espn.go.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/16...

I'm not an Insider, so I can't read the full thing, but the teaser for it is: "How do MAC coaches think 2016 will go? Opposing coaches dish on why Ohio will be good (again), Kareem Hunt should hit 1,000 yards (again) and Western Michigan will throw it a lot (again)."

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Posted: 6/20/2016 12:22:14 PM

Personally I would be satisfied with finally beating BG. Since our last win I believe in 2011 we've been taken behind the woodshed pretty routinely by them.

They were able to keep on humming from Clawson, to Babers. Hopefully they start to hit the bumps in a road that can come from coaching changes.

My prediction

Texas State-W
Kansas-L (will play out a lot like last year's Minnesota game)
Tennessee-L
Gardner Webb-W
Miami-W
BG-W
Eastern Michigan-W
Kent State-W
Toledo-L
Buffalo-W
Central Michigan-L
Akron-W

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Posted: 6/20/2016 7:44:04 PM

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I saw this a while ago, and as most MAC stories on ESPN are, it was a bit disappointing. There's really very little to it. There's two comments from an opposing coach on each team (except Buffalo, which is excluded for some reason). It's nothing any Ohio fan didn't know already.

It states on Ohio:

Five players logged at least one rushing TD last year, including three returning Bobcats. Coach, can you talk about how Ohio's offense gets everyone involved?

"They don't overpower you in one particular area, but they spread you out. Their QB runs, their running back runs ... they run a little option, they mix it up." -- MAC head coach

Ohio has never picked off fewer than 12 passes under Frank Solich, and it was one of 16 FBS teams that returned three interceptions for TDs in 2015. Coach, can you talk about the defense's ball-hawk nature?

"You better not lose the turnover battle [against the Bobcats]. They make one less mistake than your team makes." -- MAC head coach

I'm not sure, In summary of the other teams:
BG-Knapke is key because the MAC is QB-oriented. Defense was better than the numbers showed last year.
Miami- Defenses pressure QB Bahl because he can't run. D-lineman J.T. Jones has to be double-teamed a lot.
Kent State- Their offense had no big-play ability. Find one-on-one match-ups before DE Waugh can get to your QB.
Akron-Bring varying pressure to stop the run. Best D-line in the league last year but the rest of the defense doesn't return much.
WMU-Pick your poison based on down and distance to defend WMU. High risk, high reward on defense.
CMU-Put them in longer passing situations to eliminate big play-action plays. Run and use screens against strong secondary.
NIU-Mix it up on defense to stop NIU's offense. Pick your spots against CB Lurry, who had 9 INTs.
Toledo-Can't fill box against Hunt because too many playmakers at WR. Defense will adjust to significant loss of personnel.
Ball State-Kept it simple for QB Neal last year and he succeeded. Defense was awful but filled gaps and returns 9 starters.
EMU-Be physical with WR Daugherty. Defense returns 2 key DL who missed basically all of last year, so avoid going their direction.

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Posted: 6/21/2016 12:15:54 PM

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"They don't overpower you in one particular area, but they spread you out. Their QB runs, their running back runs ... they run a little option, they mix it up." -- MAC head coach

Who cares what these lameass coaches in this lameass league say. NO MACC since the old geezers on BA were in school. Not Acceptable.

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Ohio has never picked off fewer than 12 passes under Frank Solich, and it was one of 16 FBS teams that returned three interceptions for TDs in 2015. Coach, can you talk about the defense's ball-hawk nature?

"You better not lose the turnover battle [against the Bobcats]. They make one less mistake than your team makes." -- MAC head coach

More of the same. With our conservative, Republican defense teams can pass at will against us, so use the math. Eighty zillion pass attempts a game -- most completed -- we're going pick off a few just by blind luck. No imagination in defensive schemes. Yes, L.C., says it's a new scheme, but it's just as sorry as the last one. This staff has no imagination. They are too damn conservative. They are probably all voting for Trump. Fire them all. NO MACC in almost half a century! Not asking too much. Stop worshipping at the altar of Solich. He's been a failure at every stop in his career. Blown out in National Championship Game at Nebraska. Blown out with regularity at OHIO. Get your OHIO on. Storm Peden with your pitchforks. Time to rise up and demand a MACC Now.

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