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Despite being one of the very top coachings in America in a league of players with only moderate talent... Browns failure to draft Myles Jack with 1st pick of 2nd round--huh? Arguably the best player in the draft...and like it would matter/worth taking a chance if his medical didn't work out. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 3:40:42 AM  Bcat2--I thought Solich was revered in high school locker rooms throughout Ohio? Maybe. But apparently not to the extent of bringing in any notably good players. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,089 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 8:59:51 AM  Lithium? Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 11:05:29 AM  It seems every MAC school has a different philosophy. In my high school coaching days, I remember talking to MAC coaches about this topic. Some said if the kid is a major prospect that won't even talk to him, wasted time and energy since they can't compete with the power conferences. Others thought it was good to get a bug in his ear to at least let them know that if the power conference began to shy away they were still interested. Talking to my coaching friends, things haven't changed in the last couple of years. I don't know the final MAC numbers, but it is a little disconcerting to realize that the Buckeyes might have had more players drafted than the MAC combined. Sadly, I am not sure it is going to change. The reality of the situation is that there are less kids playing high school football and that trend shows no signs of ending. Big time talent will naturally gravitate to the power conferences. It will really become more notifiable in about 10 years. The numbers I am hearing concerning kids playing youth football is pretty sobering. Last Edited: 5/1/2016 11:06:33 AM by cbus cat fan Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 11:44:35 AM  What's the time and money commitment to recruit a kid at various stages? I suppose that a letter or email carries little cost while a personal visit or conducting a camp to which recruits may come is expensive. Then, what are the hallmarks of responsiveness which indicate to continue or stop recruiting a young person? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 4:58:38 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: It seems every MAC school has a different philosophy. In my high school coaching days, I remember talking to MAC coaches about this topic. Some said if the kid is a major prospect that won't even talk to him, wasted time and energy since they can't compete with the power conferences. Others thought it was good to get a bug in his ear to at least let them know that if the power conference began to shy away they were still interested. Talking to my coaching friends, things haven't changed in the last couple of years. I don't know the final MAC numbers, but it is a little disconcerting to realize that the Buckeyes might have had more players drafted than the MAC combined. Sadly, I am not sure it is going to change. The reality of the situation is that there are less kids playing high school football and that trend shows no signs of ending. Big time talent will naturally gravitate to the power conferences. It will really become more notifiable in about 10 years. The numbers I am hearing concerning kids playing youth football is pretty sobering. Totally agree. Football's Golden Age has passed and football itself will eventually become America's 3rd or 4th favorite sport, if that. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 6:23:14 PM  It is a scary thought Mark. I am just north of 50 and I feel like an old man telling millennials about inner city or rural schools that once had dominate teams. Now they can barely field a team. I am hearing throughout the country of many youth programs having to merge just to field teams. Who knows football could become what lacrosse or soccer was 40 years ago, primarily played at big suburban schools. Coaches have told me that some kids simply tell their parents that it is a hard, violent sport and they don't want to put the effort in it, since they won't be making a career out of it. Once your friends stop playing a sport, it becomes harder for you to continue without your peers. I hope something changes in the next decade or so. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,475 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 6:40:50 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: It seems every MAC school has a different philosophy. In my high school coaching days, I remember talking to MAC coaches about this topic. Some said if the kid is a major prospect that won't even talk to him, wasted time and energy since they can't compete with the power conferences. Others thought it was good to get a bug in his ear to at least let them know that if the power conference began to shy away they were still interested. Talking to my coaching friends, things haven't changed in the last couple of years. I don't know the final MAC numbers, but it is a little disconcerting to realize that the Buckeyes might have had more players drafted than the MAC combined. Sadly, I am not sure it is going to change. The reality of the situation is that there are less kids playing high school football and that trend shows no signs of ending. Big time talent will naturally gravitate to the power conferences. It will really become more notifiable in about 10 years. The numbers I am hearing concerning kids playing youth football is pretty sobering. Totally agree. Football's Golden Age has passed and football itself will eventually become America's 3rd or 4th favorite sport, if that. There seems to be quite a bit of press espousing that view. Doing a little more study of the topic paints a slightly different picture. While Pop Warner numbers are declining signicantly, the high school numbers have decreased by 2.5% or so in the last 7-8 years or so and actually went up in 2013. There are still more kids playing high school football than any other sport. Some believe that the introduction of soccer and lacrosse has cut into the football numbers, but there's no crash in the numbers as of now. I'm guessing that parents are delaying their kids from playing football until they're older( definitely a good thing to me). There is no denying that there is a lot more attention to the health problem(again a major development which is positive). I wouldn't write off the sport quite yet. Last Edited: 5/1/2016 6:41:26 PM by colobobcat66 Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 7:10:59 PM  Another possible reason is because a lot of high school coaches (both head and assistants) are quite frankly a joke. It seems the quality of the coaching meaning actually teaching kids something has gone through the floor. Some coaches start selecting kids in the 5th grade thinking they are going to be great and not realizing that kids mature at different ages. I don't care what the middle school team is doing regarding winning as much as I do are the kids learning the game? Many so-called coaches know very little about how to actually teach a kid the game. And, by weeding out kids in the 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th grade based solely upon their size at that age is driving the kids who may be a little slower to mature out of the game. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,730 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 7:33:59 PM  I believe the decline in participation in youth football - peewee thru HS - began 25 or so years ago. Some perspective. From about 1980 thru 1992 while we were living in suburban Cleveland, I coached club soccer teams. And by then, soccer in major metro areas already was attracting many superb athletes. Mostly Caucasian but not entirely. My top club team - won a state tournament title - included two Africa-Americans, an ethnic Chinese and my two Korean-born sons. Many of those boys went on to play college soccer - at Princeton, Cleveland State (2), Bowling Green, Ohio State, Marietta, Ashland, Evansville, Trinity (TX)and I'm forgetting a couple. My son Ben played with a club team at OU. But for me one instance in particular foretold the future of football. At my sons' junior high, the soccer and football fields adjoined each other, separated only by a narrow grass strip. One day I left work early to watch a junior high soccer game. Simultaneously junior highs were playing a football game. I watched both games and one reality jolted me: Many of the faster, better athletes were not the ones playing football. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,475 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 7:37:16 PM  Mike Johnson wrote: I believe the decline in participation in youth football - peewee thru HS - began 25 or so years ago. Some perspective. From about 1980 thru 1992 while we were living in suburban Cleveland, I coached club soccer teams. And by then, soccer in major metro areas already was attracting many superb athletes. Mostly Caucasian but not entirely. My top club team - won a state tournament title - included two Africa-Americans, an ethnic Chinese and my two Korean-born sons. Many of those boys went on to play college soccer - at Princeton, Cleveland State (2), Bowling Green, Ohio State, Marietta, Ashland, Evansville, Trinity (TX)and I'm forgetting a couple. My son Ben played with a club team at OU. But for me one instance in particular foretold the future of football. At my sons' junior high, the soccer and football fields adjoined each other, separated only by a narrow grass strip. One day I left work early to watch a junior high soccer game. Simultaneously junior highs were playing a football game. I watched both games and one reality jolted me: Many of the faster, better athletes were not the ones playing football. Yeah, you never see those 300 pounders playing soccer. LOL Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 9:44:36 PM  Colobobcat66, I can tell you that in many areas of Ohio, and I would have to believe this is on a national scale as well the most concerning statistic is the rapidly declining youth and junior high football participation numbers. The kids playing high school football now weren't really connected to all of the concussion news we have heard about in the last couple of years. It is those kids who are between the ages of 10-14. This is the troubling number. I would hasten to add the expense and time spent on summer camps in not only football but hockey, soccer etc also burns kids out who (along with their parents) have delusions of grandeur about pro careers. Sadly, when reality tells them there is no college scholarship on the horizon hard choices have to be made. I had not idea that these camps can cost parents thousands of dollars per kid each summer. One dad told me that after three summers his kid said enough when he realized he wasn't even going to start and then found out how much his parents had spent. The fun and the challenge of getting better which we dealt with when we were kids has become something else, especially for those kids in big suburban high schools. This is one part of the equation; hearing some former pro football players saying that because of the concussion scare they won't let their kids play football is another. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,475 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 9:57:27 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: Colobobcat66, I can tell you that in many areas of Ohio, and I would have to believe this is on a national scale as well the most concerning statistic is the rapidly declining youth and junior high football participation numbers. The kids playing high school football now weren't really connected to all of the concussion news we have heard about in the last couple of years. It is those kids who are between the ages of 10-14. This is the troubling number. I would hasten to add the expense and time spent on summer camps in not only football but hockey, soccer etc also burns kids out who (along with their parents) have delusions of grandeur about pro careers. Sadly, when reality tells them there is no college scholarship on the horizon hard choices have to be made. I had not idea that these camps can cost parents thousands of dollars per kid each summer. One dad told me that after three summers his kid said enough when he realized he wasn't even going to start and then found out how much his parents had spent. The fun and the challenge of getting better which we dealt with when we were kids has become something else, especially for those kids in big suburban high schools. This is one part of the equation; hearing some former pro football players saying that because of the concussion scare they won't let their kids play football is another. There are some detailed analyses that support your statements regarding Ohio and some other states, but it's much more complicated when you look at national numbers. The studies seem to say that the parents are becoming more concerned about the injury situation, but many still will let their kids play if the kid presses the issue. Let me say that the injury situation is becoming clearer and I think will be a major issue in the future. There will be changes including better protocols to monitor for head injuries. I'm All for delaying entry into the sport until the kids are much older, going back to natural grass surfaces, fewer games, less contact during practice, safer helmets, dropping punt returns and maybe even kick offs among a host of things either being implemented or being discussed. I would even think about weight restrictions which is way out there. Whatever it takes, I think the sport will continued to be played for quite a few more years. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Where are we    Posted: 5/1/2016 10:32:00 PM  I hope so, there is always a rush to judgement and then a pull back. It is quite complicated, but I wonder about about how many kids are only playing one sport when they once played two or three. I am more familiar with smaller schools, but I am now just finding out how difficult it is for kids to play sports in big suburban schools where they probably won't make the team. I do believe even though there are many more kids today, on a percentage basis there are fewer and fewer kids playing football than the 1970s or 1980s. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 14  of 14 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 296 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 296 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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