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Monroe Slavin
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Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 3:25:36 PM

Not counting 7-49 to start 2013 vs. Louisville and not including any losses by less than double digits:

Over the last three years we've had 12 losses. Those 12 losses have been by an average of 27 points.

I only bring this up because I found it by way of a pm discussion that I've had with another poster. I wouldn't otherwise have known this. But anyone who thinks that a staff which achieves that in their 9th thru 11th years with a team is a fine staff....really? I'm the extremist?

Would you hire that staff? Would any non-MAC school allow that?

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 5:11:43 PM

It's a different game these days. Offenses are more explosive than before. For this reason I'm more forgiving on the margin of victory.

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 7:29:40 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

LOL. Now you want to exclude single digit losses to apparently try to make some obscure point. Again, as you seem to do most every time, you want to cherry pick data that fits your desired objective.

If you're so unhappy then dig into your pocket and offer to buy out Frank's contract. Otherwise, you need to deal with the reality that's he's been a highly successful coach in Athens and quit your whining.

Just another meaningless thread you've started ..............

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 7:56:18 PM

+1 mid70'sbobcat Could someone explain to Monroe that there are no bonus points added or subtracted to a Win or Loss determined by score ????????

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 9:29:32 PM

Over the last three years, taking only our losses by double digits, and excluding the 7-49 to 'ville, we've averaged 4 losses a year by an average of about 27 points in those double-digit losses.

This by a staff that was in its 9th thru 11th years at OHIO.

There were 17 total losses in those three years.

Last Edited: 2/13/2016 9:32:33 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 10:17:55 PM

It's a great points that these facts are selective and not reasonably representative and that they should be disregarded as they carry no message or indications.

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/13/2016 11:27:51 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

It's a great points that these facts are selective and not reasonably representative and that they should be disregarded as they carry no message or indications.

Absolutely true facts of a similar nature (that nature being completely cherrypicked):

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 8:27:36 AM

mf279801 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

It's a great points that these facts are selective and not reasonably representative and that they should be disregarded as they carry no message or indications.

LOL!

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 10:28:31 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

It's a great points that these facts are selective and not reasonably representative and that they should be disregarded as they carry no message or indications.

We know the Earth isn't flat Monroe. And one way to find that out is to look at the other planets.

Average Margin of Double Digit Losses:

NIU (since 2013): 26 points
NIU (since 2006): 24.5 points

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I only bring this up because I found it by way of a pm discussion that I've had with another poster. I wouldn't otherwise have known this.

If someone pm's you about the prophet L. Ron Hubbard, just dismiss that message too.

Last Edited: 2/14/2016 10:29:25 AM by The Situation

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 11:36:13 AM

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 1:28:46 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Ah, Valentine's Day. Love is in the air.

Also snow where we are. So far 3 hours of seat time on the tractor. Wife needs to have her drive to town.

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 2:44:41 PM

How many double digit losses by NIU as an average per year, by how many points, to what quality of opponent? I excluded Louisville from us for a reason. NIU have any markedly good performances which offset such losses. Have we in any way matched NIU's achievements?

Come with your venom toward me all you want. Because you can't use reasonable logic. Ron Hubbard--what are you talking about??

Not to consider the fact of averaging four losses a year by about 27 points each--really?

At some point Solich and staff will be gone. Will you then be happy if we hire a staff...well, a head coach...who's been at a school for 11 years and has averaged four losses a year by 27 points over his last three years?

Rally--you see nothing to be concerned about here? You can use reasonable logic..Or you can bring blind hate.

Tell me why these losses don't matter. 12 games out of about 38 played over the last 3 years isn't significant?

This ain't cherry picking friends.

Keep blindly bringing the hate. Keep ignoring the import of fact.

Last Edited: 2/14/2016 2:57:54 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 3:16:34 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Ron Hubbard--what are you talking about??

Manipulated stats clearly impress you. Who knows what other whimsical manipulations you'll fall for? A monied liberal with a loose association to reality is an easy target for the Church of Scientology in LA.

Also, what qualifies as intellectually justified hate in your book (instead of blind hate)? I aspire to convey that level of hate towards you.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 3:54:30 PM

The Situation wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Ron Hubbard--what are you talking about??

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 4:02:36 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Come with your venom toward me all you want. Because you can't use reasonable logic. Ron Hubbard--what are you talking about??

Not to consider the fact of averaging four losses a year by about 27 points each--really?

At some point Solich and staff will be gone. Will you then be happy if we hire a staff...well, a head coach...who's been at a school for 11 years and has averaged four losses a year by 27 points over his last three years?

Tell me why these losses don't matter. 12 games out of about 38 played over the last 3 years isn't significant?

This ain't cherry picking friends.

Keep blindly bringing the hate. Keep ignoring the import of fact.

Where to start? Hmmmmm ....

First, whomever you had for Quantitative Methods back in the day is rolling over in his grave with your total abuse of data. Either you analyze all the data or none of it. You do NOT decide what is relevant, especially if you're not knowledgeable in Statistics.

You accuse others of not using 'reasonable logic'? Now that is funny Monroe. You, on the other hand, use no logic at all.

Okay, let's keep beating a dead horse. Yes, 4 losses per year by 27 points. It's so bad we should drop football I guess. On the other hand you choose to apparently not consider the fact that we had some significant injuries in some of those losses. I guess losing Poling and others was irrelevant. We'd have lost equally bad if they had played.

And I'll tell you why the losses you obsess about don't matter. Because a loss is a loss. A team moves on to the next game. You, on the other hand, dwell on these losses for years apparently.

And not to be redundant, but it is cherry picking (data). Go back and review your QM 200 and 201 notes, after all that was introductory Stats.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 4:17:45 PM

2013

7-49 (bonus)
3-30
0-49
13-44
20-37

The Situation
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 4:23:02 PM

Monroe, what qualifies as intellectually justified hate?

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 5:21:06 PM

Situation--Why would hate have anything to do with any discussion on these threads?! It's appalling to think that anyone'd bring that or get that from here.

Do I have little respect for some of the logic and dim arguments I see here. I'd clearly be lying if I said no.

I do like a good argument. Sadly, I find a fair amount of the pro-Solich stuff not to be good argument. It irks me that three seasons of really resounding losses doesn't make some pause a little. (Love'd the remark about why didn't I include all the losses ???)

But hate--never near that.

I will tell you that your tenor is markedly different than I've seen before. It's not only your going to 'the hate card.' It's your cocksure. You are 100% convinced that you are correct.

I'm a lot older than you. I have plenty enough experience, post-undergrad education and failure that you don't. So, do a lot of others on this board--whether your viewpoints align with theirs or not.

Your failure to consider others' points of view is impressive. Might be that others have some insights you could learn from.

Have a sense of humor.

If you met me, you'd find that I don't talk a lot. I learn a lot more by speaking that wagging my tongue. (Learning is big on my list.) And I'm not sure that I have a lot to add to most discussions or that people care for or need my input.

When I do speak or write, I've given it some thought.

I'm really not the moron that you think I am. Neither are others who don't agree with you.

You might consider that.

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 5:41:37 PM

Please answer the question.

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 6:29:45 PM

2014

3-20
14-44
10-28
13-31
21-42

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 6:30:46 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

It's a different game these days. Offenses are more explosive than before. For this reason I'm more forgiving on the margin of victory.

It's a good point: There's nothing bad or to consider from 12 double digit losses in the last three years with the average being a 27 point loss.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 6:34:57 PM

mf279801 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

It's a great points that these facts are selective and not reasonably representative and that they should be disregarded as they carry no message or indications.

Brilliant argument.

Those are definitely logical equivalents to my fact.

If I've cherry picked, give me the offsetting over the last three years.

So, you'd hire this staff?

I don't care what methodology you use, if you think a MAC staff in its 9th thru 11th years having 12 double digit losses with the average of those being by 27 points does not indicate real problems, then you'll never have your M.O.

Last Edited: 2/14/2016 8:25:20 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 9:51:23 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

...
So, you'd hire this staff?...

It doesn't really matter what anyone here would do. It only matters what Schaus and McDavis would do, since they are the decision makers. Considering that it was reported that they gave the staff some kind of contract extension, apparently the answer is that, yes, they would.

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/14/2016 10:03:32 PM

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RE: Fact.

Posted: 2/15/2016 5:43:48 AM

Monroe, is it now a fact that despite my repeated attempts you will not answer my question?

What qualifies as intellectually justified hate?

I think this is a fair question considering you threw out a blanket accusation that people were blindly hating your assertions.

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