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Monroe Slavin
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Dr. J

Posted: 3/12/2016 2:02:18 PM

From his autobiography, about coach Gene Shue:

"But Gene does everything by the book. He formulates his game plan and sticks to it, even when the players on the court are telling him it's not working... Gene won't alter his offense.... Instead, he'll be flipping through his playbook, looking for what he wants to run while we're standing around, waiting for him to find what he is searching for in that bloated volume... In big games, the answers aren't in the book; a coach needs to read them in the eyes of his players."

Must be able to, at least somewhat, react to game circumstances.

Maybe you're as unhappy as I am at this staff's inability to.

Last home game I went to was vs. BG in 2012. The infamous game in which we had so much trouble punting. We lined up on offense and about the whole team would be at scrimmage looking over to the sideline as the seconds ticked down on the play clock. Clearly, this was disarray. Perhaps discord between TT and the coaches? Whatever it was, we've seen too much frozen, inability to coach to game circumstances.

Incredibly conservative two minute drives at the end of the first half, which show a much greater fear of turnover than confidence in ability to score, send a message to the team. A message that our staff does not even appear to appreciate is being sent.

Contrast to the joy and confidence BG puts on the field.

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/12/2016 2:28:32 PM

Hate to respond to any of this stuff, but what a loser.

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/12/2016 3:46:19 PM

He is not making this stuff up. it actually happened.

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/12/2016 6:03:53 PM

Dr. J knows a lot about coaching and winning NBA Championships...

He won just once in 11 seasons.

Gene Shue coached Dr. J (76ers) for two (2) seasons. The 76ers went to the Finals the 2nd season (1976-'77).

Gene was fired after a 2-4 start to the 1977-'78 season.

The next six (6) seasons Dr. J played were under Billy Cunningham. And in 1982-'83 Dr. J and Billy Cunningham won their only NBA Championship.

Did Billy Cunningham "get it" as a coach?

Or was the 76ers off-season acquisition of league MVP Moses Malone prior to the 1982-83 season the reason Dr. J won the title?

Is Dr. J's title tainted in any way considering their Finals opponent (and then reigning champ), the LA Lakers, lost future HOF #1 overall 1982 draft pick James Worthy to a fractured leg injury the last week of the season?

Having to Google both Gene Shue and Dr. J, I knew it'd be worth my time to see what kind of anomaly would support whatever ridiculous theory you're purporting

Last Edited: 3/12/2016 6:11:11 PM by The Situation

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/12/2016 11:44:47 PM

Thank you for that genuine mid-Ohio gibberish.

Go for it!

Keep bringing that irrelevant, rambling stuff that so clearly refutes any thought that football coaching at OHIO is mediocre.

My man!

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/13/2016 10:26:54 AM

The Situation wrote:

Cut Monroe some slack. Just like the team needs their off-season practice, so does Monroe. He's got a tough season ahead, as it won't be easy to try to dampen enthusiasm for a very good team. Once the pre-season magazines start coming out and picking Ohio at or near the top, Monroe is going to have step up his game, though.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/13/2016 1:04:00 PM

Predictions are not reality. I tend to judge performance based on the latter.

(pm me if you need an explanation of that)

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/13/2016 5:30:19 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Predictions are not reality. I tend to judge performance based on the latter.

(pm me if you need an explanation of that)

I'm not the only one expecting a very good season. What is your prediction?

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/13/2016 10:34:19 PM

L.C.--Frankly, and no insult intended, predictions are of little interest to me.

It's just so difficult to know. Requires knowledge of player health, eligibility, talent development, attitude...and the same re other teams. I don't have the time and don't pretend to be any kind of expert at it.

Heck, I don't really have the time to analyze actual results. But those are concrete and can be analyzed....though I have to admit that some of the conclusions people draw are quite anti-obvious.

I'll just say that the name of the game is quarterback pressure. I expect that we won't show anything imaginative on that count. And nothing very imaginative (not wild..just studiously creative) from our offense.

If I was coaching against our offense, I'd stack for the run, daring us to pass--'cause of our loss of O-line starters and questionable/inconsistent quarterbacking.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 7:43:12 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Apparently you have enough knowledge to predict the end result of next season, no MAC Championship.

A majority of posts you make are an indirect prediction that Ohio won't win the MAC Championship next season unless some things you've identified change.

Am I to interpret your rants any other way? If you think Ohio can still win the MACC without making changes that you prescribe, then why even rant?

Last Edited: 3/14/2016 7:49:30 AM by The Situation

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RE: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 9:39:00 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

From his autobiography:

Last home game I went to was vs. BG in 2012.

Hurry back. Folks in Athens enjoy football season.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 11:34:48 AM

That's fine, Monroe. I don't have much time right now, either, but I do have a model that I made years ago that projects a couple years into the future based on recruits, and on what I see from young players. So far it's usually been pretty close, predicting good seasons in 2011 and 2012 (which would have been much better without the injuries, something no model can predict), and down seasons in 2013 and 2014, with 2015 better and 2016 and 2017 being very, very good again. It doesn't have a prediction for 2018 yet, but I expect that to be a drop again, given all the players that will be Seniors in 2017.

Considering that the model has been accurate in the past, I expect it to continue to be into the future, but of course, you never know when factors like injuries can mess up results, as they did in 2012.

As far as QB pressure, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised this fall. The Defensive line is going to be 3-deep with talented players, and they will be able to rotate like crazy, keeping fresh guys in, and the linebackers will also be outstanding, though the depth there is a mystery. I expect a lot of sacks, and I expect the pressure from the front 7 to make life easier for a young secondary.

I believe you are right that other teams will stack up against the run, especially given the returning running backs, OUellette, Irons, and Brown. I, however, see that as a good thing. The years/games when opposing teams have done that have been the years when Ohio was most effective. The years when Ohio's offense struggled were the ones when Ohio had no running game to fear, and teams were able to just sit back in pass defense, or go after the quarterback.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 11:49:40 AM

Honest question.....

What is everyone's definition of "good season?"

Obviously, Monroe's is MACC or bust.

I'm a little below that. While I put serious weight into a MACC...I think it's still very possible to have a "good season" by finishing 9-3, 8-4 or so.

Last year was not bad....but I wouldn't classify it as a good season. I'd say more around decent.

Got to a bowl game....won 8 games.....but were embarrassed in the 3 biggest MAC games of the year.

If Ohio finished 8-4 and was competitive in those blowout losses but still ended up losing, I wouldn't have as sour a taste in my mouth from it. The bowl loss, while disappointing the way it transpired, I can live with. They were competitive....just failed to finish the job in the 4th quarter.

I just can't shake these inexplicable ass-whoopings we seem to take multiple times a season within our own league the last few years.

So what's your definition of a good season?

I'm just curious to what everyone's baseline is when throwing around that term.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 12:19:56 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Honest question.....

What is everyone's definition of "good season?"

bshot44 wrote:

Last year was not bad....but I wouldn't classify it as a good season. I'd say more around decent.

Got to a bowl game....won 8 games.....but were embarrassed in the 3 biggest MAC games of the year.

Just semantics, but I'd call last year a "good" season, not great. The three infamous beat-downs were frustrating, but the team recovered from that and finished strong. I agree with your thoughts regarding the bowl game. Didn't finish, but put up a good game.

For a successful next season, I'm hoping for 8-4 or better and contending for a MAC. Don't have to win it but should still be in the conversation late in the season, then a bowl win would make it a great season.

Losing season, no bowl invite = poor season
Winning season, no bowl invite = decent season
Winning season, bowl invite, bowl loss (competitive) = good season
Winning season, bowl invite, bowl win = very good season
Winning season, MAC runner-up, bowl invite, bowl loss (competitive) = very good season
Winning season, MAC runner-up, bowl invite, bowl win = great season
Winning season, MAC Champ, bowl invite, bowl loss (competitive) = great season
Winning season, MAC Champ, bowl invite, bowl win = excellent season

Last Edited: 3/14/2016 12:28:20 PM by Robert Fox

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 1:07:08 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Honest question.....

What is everyone's definition of "good season?"

bshot44 wrote:

Last year was not bad....but I wouldn't classify it as a good season. I'd say more around decent.

Got to a bowl game....won 8 games.....but were embarrassed in the 3 biggest MAC games of the year.

I agree with a lot of this...pretty much most of it. We differ on a little....

Probably the biggest thing for me is going game-by-game....W & Ls are obviously very important...but the way the Ls transpire really are important to me. If we win 8 and lose 5...but in 3 of those 5, we were steamrolled.....that doesn't sit as well as 5 competitive losses with me

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 1:26:34 PM

bshot44 wrote:

If we win 8 and lose 5...but in 3 of those 5, we were steamrolled.....that doesn't sit as well as 5 competitive losses with me

Nor with me. I think where we differ is in our acceptance of the potential reasons for those beat-downs, and what the team does about it.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 1:50:14 PM

Why would someone criticize Dr. J? Dr. J, I don't like you, someone made a correlation from your book to coach and TT and it hurt my feelings. Dr. J did not do anything to anyone lol. Btw, he has won championships, he is a hall of famer and a top 50 player.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 1:55:16 PM

I would say 6-6 is good as long as we show strong against Texas State. One person has stated we would go 8-5 and lose the MAC, but we would play Bowling Green who lost their coach and most of their players tough and lose in a nail biter. That would have me on cloud nine.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 3:09:26 PM

allen wrote:

My whole point was to challenge credibility of Dr. J as a critic of NBA Championship caliber coaches (not as a player or person).

He's never been an NBA coach. He did only win one NBA championship (after the addition of Hall of Famer Moses Malone). And the coach Dr. J lambasted in Monroe's quote has been to the NBA finals with two (2) separate teams.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 3:37:34 PM

While rummaging through Dr. J related articles I found this article about the continuing buyout payments a former ABA team receives from the NBA to this day.

Worth the read:

http://m.seattlepi.com/news/article/Enterprising-brothers...

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 9:17:38 PM

Seriously, as far as record a MAC title should be a goal, a MAC East champion would be a successful year.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/14/2016 10:01:52 PM

C'mon, there are some true patsies on our sched. Texas State (as I understand it), Kansas, Gardner-Webb, Miami, EMU, Kents.

Even the trauma of a loss in one of those games leaves us 5-1.

Then, we split the other six as only Tennessee appears to be a really tough game.

So, we're 8-4 even if we're just okay.

That gets us in a bowl.

Anyone who accepts less than 8 victories 12 years in with this staff will accept anything.

Yeah, show it. We're any good? Then it's MACC.

12 years in and one MACC is a lot to ask?

No. It's not.

Deal. With. It.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/15/2016 9:04:31 AM

If they only win 8 this year, I will be very surprised. I expect 10 wins this year. Neither Tennessee, nor Toledo on five days rest are going to be easy, to so win 10 they better get the rest of them. 9 wins would probably be the "expected value", but I do think they can get 10.

Last Edited: 3/15/2016 11:04:52 AM by L.C.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/15/2016 9:15:53 AM

I'm relieved to see that Monroe is conceding that even as horrible as he thinks OUr program is, a Big 12 Kansas team is considered a patsy by Ohio standards. So, we got that going for us. By the way I got vilified a couple of years ago by an unnamed, self-appointed blowhard poster for pointing out that Kansas was never a football power. So much has changed!

Personally, I think this team, this year needs to win a division championship and earn a trip to Detroit with wins in head to head games (no backing in) to be successful. Doesn't mean 8-4 and a bowl game isn't a "good" season, it just means that it's time to win. I believe that anything less than that would and should be a disappointment to all involved. Not life threatening - just a disappointment.

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RE: R-E: Dr. J

Posted: 3/15/2016 10:40:39 AM

Bobcatbob wrote:

Yes. As Toledo was last season. Same with Western and NIU. Disappointment is a part of competing. I wonder if Monroe and his golf. They must hit hole in ones every round. Any golfers out there? How many years since your last hole in one?

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

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