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Tim Burke
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  Message Not Read  OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/21/2016 1:31:17 PM 
Antwaan Randle El's had a lot of very interesting things to say—both emotion-filled and intelligent—about the effects his football career has had on him physically and mentally. If you haven't seen any of it, start here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/19/If...

Remember when Randle El verbaled us? He was going to play basketball here, too. (We didn't come out of that totally empty-handed; Dontrell Jackson gave us some great football, and he's now the head coach at his (and Randle El's) alma mater.)

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   Posted: 1/21/2016 3:43:37 PM 

I remember. And, can only imagine how good the Grobe years could have been with Randle El at QB.....

With so many NFL starts saying they wish they didn't play, or don't want their sons to play, it is a no brainer decision when my son eventually asks about football.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/21/2016 3:47:30 PM 
you should just stop watching football... you're just promoting it by watching.

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   Posted: 1/21/2016 10:28:59 PM 
Toast wrote:
you should just stop watching football... you're just promoting it by watching.


Since seeing the movie Concussion, I haven't watched a game.
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 6:44:24 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
I remember. And, can only imagine how good the Grobe years could have been with Randle El at QB.....

With so many NFL starts saying they wish they didn't play, or don't want their sons to play, it is a no brainer decision when my son eventually asks about football.



There are lots of things your son could already have been exposed to and involved in that would not leave time for football. So many kids never think to ask about football because their lives are already full of activities just as fulfilling. Most are activities that can be continued as an adult.



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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 8:19:03 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:

There are lots of things your son could already have been exposed to and involved in that would not leave time for football. So many kids never think to ask about football because their lives are already full of activities just as fulfilling. Most are activities that can be continued as an adult.



I played both soccer and football until eight grade. Picking soccer for high school was easy because I was better at it and I really hated the coaching style I experienced in football, but I still feel like I dodged a bullet. My friends who played through high school or even college all have physical issues (joints, bad backs) and some of them got hooked on opioids. We'll see how their brains do as we age, but the science strongly suggests they won't be unscathed. In the meantime, I can still trot my fat rear out a couple of times a week and play old-man soccer to stay in vague shape. I'm a season ticket holder, but football as a sport becomes more distasteful to me every year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 10:43:13 AM 
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 10:55:52 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
...That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football

Boxing obviously involves more head trauma than any other sport, and you'd think it would be the first to go. It has dramatically diminished over the last thirty years, but it's not gone completely. No doubt football will diminish and/or change significantly over the next 30 years, but I think it will probably still be around in some form. Still, this is the single best argument for being careful about spending on things like building new stadiums or major stadium overhauls.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 1/22/2016 11:44:15 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football


If you can, go see the movie. It's not about the helmet because the brain floats freely inside the skull. No helmet will prevent the brain from "shaking around" in there.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 12:37:09 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football


If you can, go see the movie. It's not about the helmet because the brain floats freely inside the skull. No helmet will prevent the brain from "shaking around" in there.



I don't know about that, Alan. I'm still intrigued by the idea that the helmet itself is part of the problem because in today's game, it's used as a weapon. In essence, the helmet technology is too good, and the player is willing to use his head as a battering ram. To me, that theory has the most potential. Look at rugby as a comparative. No helmets and I assume far fewer concussions.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 12:47:03 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football


If you can, go see the movie. It's not about the helmet because the brain floats freely inside the skull. No helmet will prevent the brain from "shaking around" in there.



I don't know about that, Alan. I'm still intrigued by the idea that the helmet itself is part of the problem because in today's game, it's used as a weapon. In essence, the helmet technology is too good, and the player is willing to use his head as a battering ram. To me, that theory has the most potential. Look at rugby as a comparative. No helmets and I assume far fewer concussions.


If you've ever watched rugby, you know that the tackling isn't nearly as hard-hitting as in football. It's almost always wrap and wrestle the ball carrier to ground.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 1:05:20 PM 
Football will survive and do just fine. It is just too popular, and Americans love to ignore/deny science almost as much as they love hot dogs, apple pie, and guns.

My appetite for football is waning, but I still watch. My young kids probably won't miss playing football or watching college/NFL games at all with soccer, basketball, and baseball as the alternatives.

(Soccer is rising and the pace is speeding up. Eventually MLS will shift to a Fall/Spring schedule like the rest of the world. And, the NFL will have at least some real competition. Especially in the biggest cities in the US. And, if the Premier league ever put teams in Boston, New York, and D.C., watch out....)



Last Edited: 1/22/2016 1:06:05 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 1:13:24 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football


If you can, go see the movie. It's not about the helmet because the brain floats freely inside the skull. No helmet will prevent the brain from "shaking around" in there.



I don't know about that, Alan. I'm still intrigued by the idea that the helmet itself is part of the problem because in today's game, it's used as a weapon. In essence, the helmet technology is too good, and the player is willing to use his head as a battering ram. To me, that theory has the most potential. Look at rugby as a comparative. No helmets and I assume far fewer concussions.


If you've ever watched rugby, you know that the tackling isn't nearly as hard-hitting as in football. It's almost always wrap and wrestle the ball carrier to ground.


That's my point. Less helmet protection = more personal vigilance. In other words, if there's a chance you could injure yourself, you'll be less likely to make yourself into a human spear.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT -- Antwaan Randle El
   Posted: 1/22/2016 1:17:21 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Americans love to ignore/deny science almost as much as they love hot dogs, apple pie, and guns.


Careful. Your politics are showing.
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 1:28:58 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football


If you can, go see the movie. It's not about the helmet because the brain floats freely inside the skull. No helmet will prevent the brain from "shaking around" in there.



I'll have to watch that. I've got a unique perspective on the brain's free floating nature. It does just float around in there although it is pretty incredible how well the brain can cushion itself from blows. I don't think you can solve all the issues with better helmet technology, but I think significant improvements are close.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 1/22/2016 1:58:19 PM 
L.C. wrote:

Boxing obviously involves more head trauma than any other sport, and you'd think it would be the first to go. It has dramatically diminished over the last thirty years, but it's not gone completely.




IMO, boxing's diminution is due more to promotion and governance issues than safety concerns. MMA wouldn't be increasing in popularity otherwise.
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 2:20:00 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Football will survive and do just fine. It is just too popular, and Americans love to ignore/deny science almost as much as they love hot dogs, apple pie, and guns.

My appetite for football is waning, but I still watch. My young kids probably won't miss playing football or watching college/NFL games at all with soccer, basketball, and baseball as the alternatives.

(Soccer is rising and the pace is speeding up. Eventually MLS will shift to a Fall/Spring schedule like the rest of the world. And, the NFL will have at least some real competition. Especially in the biggest cities in the US. And, if the Premier league ever put teams in Boston, New York, and D.C., watch out....)



A friend's son developed from a state cross country runner into a national team member in the Biathlon. Young man went to West Point was Captain of the Academy's Black Knight Rifle Team, Member US Army Marksmanship Unit. Standing tall at a listed height of 5'8." There are lots of things other than football.



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   Posted: 1/22/2016 2:33:56 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football



Soccer isn't free of CTE concerns http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/cost-header
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 2:59:17 PM 
The NFL and college football don't want to be the MMA — a counterculture movement where the violence, danger and fact that 60 percent of the population gets squeamish just watching the product are the selling points.

There's money in that, but pocket change compared to what the NFL and college football produce right now.

I'm convinced football is where tobacco found itself 50 years ago. There's still money to be made (hey, Marlboro has consolidated marketshare and is worth $80 billion even today) and time to drag its feet while profits are still lush, but eventually the medical facts will get in the way of football being the cultural behemoth it is today.

Football will, for many, become a sort of cultural middle finger against regulation and a perceived backlash towards an increasingly bubble-wrapped, risk-averse existence. Perhaps fandom will become a sort of rebellion. But I don't think that's where the NFL and college football want to be in the culture. There's a reason they are marketing themselves as "family" right now in the same way tobacco conflated breathing in smoke and oil companies conflated filling up at the gas station with freedom.

They don't want to be edgy. They want to make billions of dollars. Who could blame them?

(I also have this strange theory banging around in my head that we're in the end days of a century-long sports bubble. It will pop at any time and our cultural currency will be spent on something else. I don't know what it is, but I cannot see the expansion of sports talk, devotion and obsession to keep growing at this fantastic pace. The world won't be able to function if it does. We've gotten to the point that some of our best minds are spending all their time trying to figure out how to keep team's payroll under a salary cap or the best way to use analytics to judge players' performance instead of doing something truly life-saving. I feel like we're going to some day wake up and the lunacy of that will become apparent. This is probably a dumb theory, but it is mine so let me have it.)


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   Posted: 1/22/2016 3:53:24 PM 
I wouldn't call it dumb Brian, but few want to go it alone. As I mentioned earlier, I haven't watched a game since I saw that movie and I am seriously considering not renewing my football seats for next year. What's preventing me from doing that - I really like to spend Saturday afternoons in and around Peden and I'm not sure I'm ready to give that up. I think there are others and maybe many in the same boat.
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 4:43:42 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
When I was in elementary school I was already a good soccer player but I had always dreamed of playing football. My parents never let me. I was mad about that for a very long time. I will always wonder what kind of football player I could have been but I think they made the wise choice. I'm glad I wasn't exposed to the brain trauma I would've had from football.

The silver lining I see is that a good deal (not all) of the injuries might be eliminated through better helmet technology. That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if football wasn't around in 30 years. And I freaking love football



Soccer isn't free of CTE concerns http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/cost-header

Soccer certainly isn't free of these issues. In addition to concerns with heading the ball, I don't think many realize how physical the game gets at higher levels of play. It is one thing to watch your 5-year-old play soccer. It is another game entirely to watch some of the more elite teenage club or high school teams play. Let alone the college ranks.

My team in high school played at a high level. Our back-line on defense was 6-foot++ across and they could move. They looked like a line-backer core. I remember one game two of our big defenders had a full-speed collision that freed up an opposing forward to run down the field and score. That forward was a young Nick Kellogg... I think that can give many an idea how athletic the game can get at higher levels.
The biggest guy on our team was actually one of our forwards. He was 6-something and north of 200 pounds. And again he could move... He had countless concussions. 10+. He was already dealing with the effects of those in high school. He will face the same issues many of these football players face.

So yes, I agree. Soccer is FAR from risk-free.

Last Edited: 1/22/2016 4:53:58 PM by The Optimist

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   Posted: 1/22/2016 4:49:10 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Americans love to ignore/deny science almost as much as they love hot dogs, apple pie, and guns.


Careful. Your politics are showing.



Ohio69 is flat out prophetic. Truth.
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Jeff McKinney wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Americans love to ignore/deny science almost as much as they love hot dogs, apple pie, and guns.


Careful. Your politics are showing.



Ohio69 is flat out prophetic. Truth.



Wow, Jeff. Is that political fanning from the our own chief moderator? Hisself?
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 7:00:20 PM 
C Money wrote:
L.C. wrote:

Boxing obviously involves more head trauma than any other sport, and you'd think it would be the first to go. It has dramatically diminished over the last thirty years, but it's not gone completely.




IMO, boxing's diminution is due more to promotion and governance issues than safety concerns. MMA wouldn't be increasing in popularity otherwise.


I was getting ready to say that, boxing demise over safety isn't only false, but is totally debunked with the MMA/Ultimate Fighting crap on display today
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   Posted: 1/22/2016 7:15:27 PM 
I went to HS at a very successful football crazy school at the lower levels of Ohio High School sports and was one of a very few who didn't play football (golf!). One good friend of mine had repeated concussion issues starting around his freshman year. He had multiple concussions every year in HS and he missed a couple games but not many. At one point his Senior year he was even wearing an additional protective cover on his helmet (I've never seen that anywhere before or since). We lost touch over the years but several years ago my Mom let me know he had committed suicide. With more and more data linking CTE with football and suicide there is no doubt in my mind this is what happened to my old friend. He had a wife and young child. Did the pressure to play through these issues cost him his life just 10 years later? Just very, very sad.

That was enough to push me over the edge on my future children and playing football. My brand new baby boy will not be playing football.

I love watching football but something has to change. I'm starting to think significantly less protective pads and helmets may be the way to go
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