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The Optimist
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   Posted: 2/4/2016 8:21:30 AM 
Solich mentioned this in the recruiting press conference yesterday... Between the guys we have now and the lineman we are bringing in, this group is really starting to resemble the group we had in 2011. The freshman coming in this year might not NEED a redshirt year but with our depth, I think that might be the best route. Especially with how great 5th year lineman are.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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The Optimist
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   Posted: 2/4/2016 8:27:14 AM 
Amazingly, if you asked me about favorite position group in this class I might lean to the DLINE side. Evans, Mustin-Sherman and Miller against our OLINE recruits is going to be fun to watch in practice.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 2/4/2016 9:39:36 AM 
Frank clearly decided to make OL a point of emphasis with this class. We only graduate 3 and we signed 6. Also we do need to strengthen this group for us to take full advantage of our talented RB's. He also made mention that he thought this group was physically ready to play based on their strength levels.
What we also need for next year is fewer injuries at key positions.




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   Posted: 2/6/2016 3:58:09 PM 
The real story I believe is the Wide Receivers brought into this class. The top rated players of our recruiting class and huge infusion of talent from what Ohio had. There was no QB in the class but loading up on quality WRs is a great way to attract one for next year.

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   Posted: 2/6/2016 6:57:10 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The real story I believe is the Wide Receivers brought into this class. The top rated players of our recruiting class and huge infusion of talent from what Ohio had. There was no QB in the class but loading up on quality WRs is a great way to attract one for next year.

I agree that the WR were good, but recruiting quality offensive linemen, like the ones in this class will also help with future QB recruiting. The last couple years Ohio QBs had to run too often, or throw too early, because of lack of protection.

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   Posted: 2/7/2016 1:16:32 PM 
Or you could let your running back loose.

I gotta think it's more splashy distinct these days to have a running back who gets huge numbers than to have a receiver with numbers....since the game is so much about passing these days.

My theory/impression is that o-linemen love to play for a stud running back. So, Marshall Faulk at SDSU probably helped their o-line recruiting a whole lot.

I know. That's one example. And an extreme one. But I bet top-notch o-linemen would be easier to recruit for a power running game than a passing game or 50-50 balance.



By the way, who cares about 50-50 balance. Winning is what matters.

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   Posted: 2/7/2016 5:26:29 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Or you could let your running back loose.

I gotta think it's more splashy distinct these days to have a running back who gets huge numbers than to have a receiver with numbers....since the game is so much about passing these days.

My theory/impression is that o-linemen love to play for a stud running back. So, Marshall Faulk at SDSU probably helped their o-line recruiting a whole lot.

I know. That's one example. And an extreme one. But I bet top-notch o-linemen would be easier to recruit for a power running game than a passing game or 50-50 balance.



By the way, who cares about 50-50 balance. Winning is what matters.




A RB doesn't get shit without a quality O-Line in front of them, but that's common sense, not many here expect you to grasp such a concept.
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   Posted: 2/7/2016 6:14:14 PM 
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   Posted: 2/7/2016 6:32:55 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
A RB doesn't get shit without a quality O-Line in front of them, but that's common sense, not many here expect you to grasp such a concept.

I'd say it goes beyond that. A QB is going to look much better behind a quality offensive line than he is behind a poor one. In fact, the whole offense is going to look better behind one. I find it odd that so many people overlook their importance. If you count the tight end as 1/2 offensive line, and 1/2 receiver, they constitute 5.5 players, fully 1/4 of the entire team, and 1/2 of the offense.

To me the biggest shortcoming of the teams under Solich at Ohio has been inconsistency of the offensive lines. Under Lightner, for whatever reason, they never managed to build the depth they needed to be consistently good from year to year, and to be able to replace injured players. It's always seemed to be a scramble to come with a starting five.

After seeing the progress that the offensive line has made the last two years under Johnson, I'm optimistic that that progress will continue into the future, and that it will no longer be a weakness. If the offensive line is as good next year as I believe they can be, all the running backs are going to roll, and the QBs will be just fine.

Last Edited: 2/7/2016 6:33:21 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 2/7/2016 6:46:09 PM 
So Monroe why do we even have linemen in the game? You are probably the guy who sees no value in the pawn while playing a game of Chess either.
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   Posted: 2/7/2016 10:21:52 PM 
Teams will put 8 in the box if we are ineffective in the passing game or if we show fear with our usually conservative play calling. The coaches will need to put together new offensive schemes and become less conservative in the play-calling department. Our QB's don't stink, they are just stinking average. At times Sprague has looked decent, lets hope we have someone on the roster that can beat him out or that he goes to another level.

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   Posted: 2/7/2016 10:50:54 PM 
allen wrote:
Teams will put 8 in the box if we are ineffective in the passing game or if we show fear with our usually conservative play calling. The coaches will need to put together new offensive schemes and become less conservative in the play-calling department. Our QB's don't stink, they are just stinking average. At times Sprague has looked decent, lets hope we have someone on the roster that can beat him out or that he goes to another level.

That is what you want to happen. In fact, that's the core goal behind any play calling scheme - force them to react, and modify what they are doing in order to stop you. Once the other team has to put 8 in the box to stop the run, then you can open the playbook, and make them pay. Think Louisiana-Monroe, as an example of a team putting extra players into the box, and the consequences of doing so.

The problem comes when the other team can stop the run with 5 or 6 in the box. Then what? Pass into double coverage? Or run at the 5, counting on your superior numbers? When you are losing at the line of scrimmage, there aren't a lot of good choices, and it isn't playcalling that is the problem.

Last Edited: 2/7/2016 10:59:09 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 2/7/2016 11:10:25 PM 
allen wrote:
Our QB's don't stink, they are just stinking average.


Interesting take!
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   Posted: 2/7/2016 11:46:40 PM 
L.C. wrote:
allen wrote:
Teams will put 8 in the box if we are ineffective in the passing game or if we show fear with our usually conservative play calling. The coaches will need to put together new offensive schemes and become less conservative in the play-calling department. Our QB's don't stink, they are just stinking average. At times Sprague has looked decent, lets hope we have someone on the roster that can beat him out or that he goes to another level.

That is what you want to happen. In fact, that's the core goal behind any play calling scheme - force them to react, and modify what they are doing in order to stop you. Once the other team has to put 8 in the box to stop the run, then you can open the playbook, and make them pay. Think Louisiana-Monroe, as an example of a team putting extra players into the box, and the consequences of doing so.

The problem comes when the other team can stop the run with 5 or 6 in the box. Then what? Pass into double coverage? Or run at the 5, counting on your superior numbers? When you are losing at the line of scrimmage, there aren't a lot of good choices, and it isn't playcalling that is the problem.




In the middle of the field situations with the formations we run will never produce an 8 man box, minus an occasional blitz walk-up. It's all about numbers. The 8 man box when out the window with the demise of the fullback position. And when we've had trouble it's been by people who just whip our ass up front and stop the running game with a 6 man box. And the fewer in the bow the harder it is to throw.

Last Edited: 2/7/2016 11:53:19 PM by BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 2/8/2016 6:52:36 AM 
If you are scared to throw down field or ineffective throwing down field, the last thing you want to see is an eight man front. It depends on the play calling.

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   Posted: 2/8/2016 7:53:27 AM 
allen wrote:
If you are scared to throw down field or ineffective throwing down field, the last thing you want to see is an eight man front. It depends on the play calling.


As Ouellette said this year, it depends upon "execution." The better the OL executes the better the play calling becomes. What "play calling" could have helped the Panthers yesterday? "Defense wins championships."

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   Posted: 2/8/2016 7:56:49 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
In the middle of the field situations with the formations we run will never produce an 8 man box, minus an occasional blitz walk-up. It's all about numbers. The 8 man box when out the window with the demise of the fullback position. And when we've had trouble it's been by people who just whip our ass up front and stop the running game with a 6 man box. And the fewer in the bow the harder it is to throw.

I'd agree with that in general, though when Ohio lines up with an H-back and a TE, they will likely see an 8 man box. In any case, you're totally right that the times Ohio has had trouble has been when teams beat them up front, and were able to stop the run with a 6-man box. The best (worst) example was CMU in 2014. Ohio couldn't run at all against CMU's nickle defense, so Ohio elected to throw into double coverage all day, and that didn't work well, either. WMU is the other team that was able to beat Ohio badly up front the last couple years.

I do think there are a lot of fans out there that would rather watch 7 on 7 than the full game, but if Ohio can get the kind of Offensive line that I think they can, a lot of other problems will cease to exist.

Last Edited: 2/8/2016 8:06:37 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 2/8/2016 9:41:52 AM 
Undoubtedly the game is still won in the trenches. Give me good line work on O and D and I win a lot of games.

Being really sarcastic, I love having very good wide receivers and no top of the MAC QB to get them the ball consistently...
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   Posted: 2/8/2016 8:13:32 PM 
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
In the middle of the field situations with the formations we run will never produce an 8 man box, minus an occasional blitz walk-up. It's all about numbers. The 8 man box when out the window with the demise of the fullback position. And when we've had trouble it's been by people who just whip our ass up front and stop the running game with a 6 man box. And the fewer in the bow the harder it is to throw.

I'd agree with that in general, though when Ohio lines up with an H-back and a TE, they will likely see an 8 man box. In any case, you're totally right that the times Ohio has had trouble has been when teams beat them up front, and were able to stop the run with a 6-man box. The best (worst) example was CMU in 2014. Ohio couldn't run at all against CMU's nickle defense, so Ohio elected to throw into double coverage all day, and that didn't work well, either. WMU is the other team that was able to beat Ohio badly up front the last couple years.

I do think there are a lot of fans out there that would rather watch 7 on 7 than the full game, but if Ohio can get the kind of Offensive line that I think they can, a lot of other problems will cease to exist.



As I said with most of our formations, never said all of them. The other factor that would play besides the formation would be the tendency charts of personnel grouping and formations
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   Posted: 2/8/2016 8:18:39 PM 
Our OL is about the middle of the pack ranked in the MAC for 2015.

We had two 3rd team ALL-Mac OL guys last year out of our first string. Both of them are gone for 2016.

This group needs to establish themselves. At this point they have a lot to prove.
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   Posted: 2/8/2016 10:06:18 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
As I said with most of our formations, never said all of them. The other factor that would play besides the formation would be the tendency charts of personnel grouping and formations.

I know. We agree.

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   Posted: 2/9/2016 9:22:49 AM 
ytownbobcat wrote:
Our OL is about the middle of the pack ranked in the MAC for 2015.

We had two 3rd team ALL-Mac OL guys last year out of our first string. Both of them are gone for 2016.

This group needs to establish themselves. At this point they have a lot to prove.


Watson, Wood, Lowery, Pruehs, Gibbons and McCray are proven players in my book.

Last Edited: 2/9/2016 9:27:00 AM by Bcat2

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   Posted: 2/9/2016 11:53:37 AM 
Bcat2's book has Ohio's fourth-string, fifth-year senior offensive guard on the MAC's first team and a future NFL first-round draft selection.
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