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   Posted: 12/5/2015 10:37:34 PM 
Here's the record of coach of a BCS school who took over a weak program and then built it into a team that won conference championships twice. The next three years -- after the championship 2004 year -- were a bitter disappointed to some on this school's fan board. Some were asking for his firing. In 2007 one poster went ballistic when after winning three straight conference games in November they ended up the season losing to a weak MAC team in the final game of the season and they were not invited to a bowl game. He said that this coach had originally done a good job but his conservative play calling was turning off good recruits and the loss to that MAC school was the last straw. He said that this coach's style was not in tune with the modern game. He managed to get a few other posters to join him in questioning whether the coach should be retained. One of these was a deep pocket donor. You're the AD, would you listen to these FireTheCoach guys, or would you give the coach an extension for three years?

YEAR RESULTS CONF RESULTS RANK

1999 1–10 0–8 11th
2000 3–9 3–5 8th
2001 7–5 4–4 T–4th
2002 11–2 8–0 T–1st
2003 10–3 5–3 T–4th
2004 10–2 7–1 T–1st
2005 7–5 5–3 T–3rd
2006 6–7 2–6 T–8th
2007 6–6 4–4 T–5th





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   Posted: 12/5/2015 11:02:23 PM 
Frank Solich, is our coach and we need to get behind him. He needs to make adjustments and win the MAC and stop falling apart in the middle of the season. We need to stop having a loser's mentality, and falling in love with mediocrity. Stop justifying Solich with one in a million people. Stop trying to make everybody mediocre. Bowl eligible is so easy in the MAC if you get the right schedule, you can beat the bottom feeders. We were once a bottom feeder, now we are not, but we are not top tier either. The players and coaches are not satisfied, neither should we. If the coaches and players are satisfied, than the coaches do need to be fired immediately, remember believe and be relentless. God bless the Cats

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 1:18:37 AM 
allen wrote:
Bowl eligible is so easy in the MAC if you get the right schedule, you can beat the bottom feeders.


I'd like to enter Akron into evidence as exhibit A

7-5, 5-3 with MAC wins over Kent, UMass, Miami, UB & EMU (combined 9-31 in MAC) & NonConf wins over FCS Savannah St & (4-8) Louisiana-Lafayette

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 3:57:24 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
allen wrote:
Bowl eligible is so easy in the MAC if you get the right schedule, you can beat the bottom feeders.


I'd like to enter Akron into evidence as exhibit A

7-5, 5-3 with MAC wins over Kent, UMass, Miami, UB & EMU (combined 9-31 in MAC) & NonConf wins over FCS Savannah St & (4-8) Louisiana-Lafayette


+1

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 10:00:00 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
allen wrote:
Bowl eligible is so easy in the MAC if you get the right schedule, you can beat the bottom feeders.


I'd like to enter Akron into evidence as exhibit A

7-5, 5-3 with MAC wins over Kent, UMass, Miami, UB & EMU (combined 9-31 in MAC) & NonConf wins over FCS Savannah St & (4-8) Louisiana-Lafayette

Akron is a good example. It's "so easy" that they are bowl eligible almost every year. Oh wait, they haven't managed to be bowl eligible since a decade ago....

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 10:29:46 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Here's the record of coach of a BCS school who took over a weak program and then built it into a team that won conference championships twice. The next three years -- after the championship 2004 year -- were a bitter disappointed to some on this school's fan board. Some were asking for his firing. In 2007 one poster went ballistic when after winning three straight conference games in November they ended up the season losing to a weak MAC team in the final game of the season and they were not invited to a bowl game. He said that this coach had originally done a good job but his conservative play calling was turning off good recruits and the loss to that MAC school was the last straw. He said that this coach's style was not in tune with the modern game. He managed to get a few other posters to join him in questioning whether the coach should be retained. One of these was a deep pocket donor. You're the AD, would you listen to these FireTheCoach guys, or would you give the coach an extension for three years?

YEAR RESULTS CONF RESULTS RANK

1999 1–10 0–8 11th
2000 3–9 3–5 8th
2001 7–5 4–4 T–4th
2002 11–2 8–0 T–1st
2003 10–3 5–3 T–4th
2004 10–2 7–1 T–1st
2005 7–5 5–3 T–3rd
2006 6–7 2–6 T–8th
2007 6–6 4–4 T–5th







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   Posted: 12/6/2015 10:36:49 AM 
oldkatz wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Here's the record of coach of a BCS school who took over a weak program and then built it into a team that won conference championships twice. The next three years -- after the championship 2004 year -- were a bitter disappointed to some on this school's fan board. Some were asking for his firing. In 2007 one poster went ballistic when after winning three straight conference games in November they ended up the season losing to a weak MAC team in the final game of the season and they were not invited to a bowl game. He said that this coach had originally done a good job but his conservative play calling was turning off good recruits and the loss to that MAC school was the last straw. He said that this coach's style was not in tune with the modern game. He managed to get a few other posters to join him in questioning whether the coach should be retained. One of these was a deep pocket donor. You're the AD, would you listen to these FireTheCoach guys, or would you give the coach an extension for three years?

YEAR RESULTS CONF RESULTS RANK

1999 1–10 0–8 11th
2000 3–9 3–5 8th
2001 7–5 4–4 T–4th
2002 11–2 8–0 T–1st
2003 10–3 5–3 T–4th
2004 10–2 7–1 T–1st
2005 7–5 5–3 T–3rd
2006 6–7 2–6 T–8th
2007 6–6 4–4 T–5th







OCF, you tricky salty ol' swabbie.....tossing chum out to the sharks?????



So, Rice Paddy Grunt, you've figured out who this coach is? Hey, how are you going to know where the sharks are unless you give 'em a little bait? ;-)

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 10:41:38 AM 
Frank has resurrected the program from decades of loosing seasons. We are now either the 1st or 2nd winningest program, in the MAC, since his arrival. This is a great accomplishment.
Now most of us were thinking after game 9, when our record was 5-4, this year has turned from promising to disappointing. Yes, another year of an unusual number of injuries. The team then just won their last 3 games. They did not fold, they did not give up, they garnered enough energy and resolve to win these games. At 8-4 they have a pretty good record, 3rd best in the league. 2 more wins than last year, a real improvement, and another bowl trip.
I believe our issue, these past 3 or so years, was not the coaches or player talent but was the shear number of injuries. We all saw what happened to the best team in the league over these past 5-7 years when they lost the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd string QB. Injuries are a real reality in this sport.
If our fortunes on the injury front could change for next year we would all see the positive impact in the results. I am certain of this!
While I do agree with many around the discussions on the play calling, I also see the changes that the staff has instituted, from a new fall camp strategy, to cut down on injuries, to some real play calling in games. We do not have or probably never will have P5 talent and therefore can not run plays that only that kind of talent can execute.
I predict that BG will not have the same success next year with their all MAC QB graduating and the new coaching staff. This is what happened at Kent, Akron, etc.



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   Posted: 12/6/2015 12:41:17 PM 



OCF, I used to think that you were honest and would present fair comparisons.

You compare Ferentz/Iowa to Solich.

1) You state the first 9 seasons of Ferentz. It went south for Solich in years 8-11. Ferentz in years 10 and 11: 9-4 and 11-2 (Solich 6-6, 8-4).

2) During years 8-11 for each, I count Iowa 3 losses by 15 points or more. Solich gets ya 15.

3) During those four years, how many ranked teams did Ohio play (and how many patsies and how tough is MAC)? I count that Iowa played 20 ranked teams during that period.

But you keep telling us what a superior coach Solich is. I know that when coaches everywhere gather, they talk with unparalleled reverence about a guy who can't bring home a MAC Championship in 11 years and who gets blown out three times in his 11th year by thousands of points, of course offset by wins against mighty Kent and Ball State.


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My info source here is a quick glance at Wikipedia.


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   Posted: 12/6/2015 3:54:36 PM 
I have asked this question repeatedly and I don't think I have seen an answer yet.
When FS was hired did you think OHIO would win one MACC in his first 10/11 years?
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   Posted: 12/6/2015 5:03:21 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
I have asked this question repeatedly and I don't think I have seen an answer yet.
When FS was hired did you think OHIO would win one MACC in his first 10/11 years?


On balance did you think there would be a win over Penn State at their house?

Anyone else have a "did you think?"

Oh, and why is today a good day to be negative?

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 6:46:08 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
OCF, I used to think that you were honest and would present fair comparisons.

You compare Ferentz/Iowa to Solich.

1) You state the first 9 seasons of Ferentz. It went south for Solich in years 8-11. Ferentz in years 10 and 11: 9-4 and 11-2 (Solich 6-6, 8-4).

2) During years 8-11 for each, I count Iowa 3 losses by 15 points or more. Solich gets ya 15.

3) During those four years, how many ranked teams did Ohio play (and how many patsies and how tough is MAC)? I count that Iowa played 20 ranked teams during that period.

But you keep telling us what a superior coach Solich is. I know that when coaches everywhere gather, they talk with unparalleled reverence about a guy who can't bring home a MAC Championship in 11 years and who gets blown out three times in his 11th year by thousands of points, of course offset by wins against mighty Kent and Ball State.


[Apologize again. I promised I'd leave. But I'm just not going to let such invidious (look it up), intellectually dishonest posts stand. To not give a fairly representative presentation of the facts is unforgivable. My understanding is that OCF is/was a journalist and taught/teaches communication. Is the presentation that he put up here up to standards in that profession?]


My info source here is a quick glance at Wikipedia.




I never said it was an exact parallel, my friend, but I did find it interesting that when he lost to WMU at the end of the 2007 season people were calling for his head. The general lesson to be learned here is to have patience. Now, with a coach like Knorr, it was clear he just wasn't head coach material. That's another kettle of worms, but please note that I was an early and vocal member of your FireKnorrNow committee. Frank's a proven winner and has been a head coach for a long, long time, including his stints as a high school head coach. The Situation has schooled you about Bill Snyder at Kansas State. TS told you how Snyder retired, the program went downhill; Then he was rehired and KSU had some very good years. You'll probably tell me about this year's KSU record and ignore his "body of work" (an expression I generally hate, but'll use here just this once). Again, your selective use only of data that supports your hypothesis is becoming legendary. Why don't you just sit back and enjoy the ride these next few years. I think it'll be fun.

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 8:39:44 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
OCF, I used to think that you were honest and would present fair comparisons.

You compare Ferentz/Iowa to Solich.

1) You state the first 9 seasons of Ferentz. It went south for Solich in years 8-11. Ferentz in years 10 and 11: 9-4 and 11-2 (Solich 6-6, 8-4).

2) During years 8-11 for each, I count Iowa 3 losses by 15 points or more. Solich gets ya 15.

3) During those four years, how many ranked teams did Ohio play (and how many patsies and how tough is MAC)? I count that Iowa played 20 ranked teams during that period.

But you keep telling us what a superior coach Solich is. I know that when coaches everywhere gather, they talk with unparalleled reverence about a guy who can't bring home a MAC Championship in 11 years and who gets blown out three times in his 11th year by thousands of points, of course offset by wins against mighty Kent and Ball State.


[Apologize again. I promised I'd leave. But I'm just not going to let such invidious (look it up), intellectually dishonest posts stand. To not give a fairly representative presentation of the facts is unforgivable. My understanding is that OCF is/was a journalist and taught/teaches communication. Is the presentation that he put up here up to standards in that profession?]


My info source here is a quick glance at Wikipedia.




+1
Ferentz has been Big ten coach of the year four times and BCS coach of the year. There is a huge difference. Let's stop being mediocre. Go Cats

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 9:11:55 PM 
Bcat2, I am not being positive or negative. And, you may think I am being negative because of the timing of this post but I originally raised the question at least a week ago (I think).

So, I will ask you a simple direct question: when FS was hired, did you think he would have one MACC in his first 10/11 years?

Other than that, all I can say is: Stand Up and Cheer for old OHIO!
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   Posted: 12/6/2015 10:12:32 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
. . . So, I will ask you a simple direct question: when FS was hired, did you think he would have one MACC in his first 10/11 years?


I'll answer your question, just for myself. Yes, I thought we would have several MACCs by this point. I was at all three MACC games in Detroit. I went into each one thinking OHIO would win. The last one, of course, was a very painful loss after leading 20-0 at halftime. However, my conclusions at this point is that the OHIO program, its infrastructure and the OHIO football culture was worse than I had estimated after all those years of Cleve/PapaL/Knorr, despite the brief Grobe interlude. It's taken Frank longer than I anticipated to get the desired result, but unlike some here I'm not ready to change horses in the middle of the stream. Perhaps, I'll be proven wrong over the next few years, but I truly believe that our best hope to get a MACC is to stay the course. If Frank were to retire or be fired at this juncture, I'm deathly afraid we'd end up with another Knorr rather than Babers or even another Grobe.


Casper71 wrote:
Other than that, all I can say is: Stand Up and Cheer for old OHIO!


+1 Old Man!

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   Posted: 12/6/2015 11:05:10 PM 
If Ferentz lost 12 of 14 games vs OSU, MSU, UM, Wisky & PSU by an average of 21 points...he'd be gone at Iowa. Let's not kid ourselves. He's been able to survive on his body of work...his absurdly, insanely bloated contract (one of highest paid coaches in country) and I'm guessing Iowa can't/won't pay buyout.

Talk about using data to emphasize your point of view.

C'mon. You're picking specific facts without all of them to support your agenda.

"Your selective use only of data that supports your hypothesis..."

Watch what you toss around to others...and make sure it doesn't apply to you first.

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   Posted: 12/7/2015 12:42:20 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
If Ferentz lost 12 of 14 games vs OSU, MSU, UM, Wisky & PSU by an average of 21 points...he'd be gone at Iowa. Let's not kid ourselves. He's been able to survive on his body of work...his absurdly, insanely bloated contract (one of highest paid coaches in country) and I'm guessing Iowa can't/won't pay buyout.

Talk about using data to emphasize your point of view.

C'mon. You're picking specific facts without all of them to support your agenda.

"Your selective use only of data that supports your hypothesis..."

Watch what you toss around to others...and make sure it doesn't apply to you first.


You don't seem to understand the difference between testing an hypothesis and generating a hypothesis. One is an act of with some level of rigor, the other is nothing more than an educated guess or wishful thinking. I'm not testing any particular hypothesis of my own, but you are free to do that if you'd like. I'm simply saying that the "fire-frank-now" crowd needs to look a little more carefully at the data of various coaches who have had "down years (sometimes multiple down years) and then rebounded. This part of the equation seems almost entirely missing from your calculus. That's all I'm saying, nothing more or nothing less, to quote Alice (not the one with the restaurant, Alan). Well, actually I'm quoting the cat! ;-)


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   Posted: 12/7/2015 2:37:22 AM 
My point is that every situation is unique. Comparing coaches is almost impossible. What Ferentz did at Iowa doesn't translate to what Solich is doing or could do at Ohio.....just as much as what happened to Mark Richt at Georgia translates to what Rod Carey is doing at NIU.

It's a futile exercise to try and compare them. Standards are different, circumstances are different, expectations are different.

Just looking at the win-loss record is not doing a comparison justice.

If this is not what you were trying to accomplish, then ignore. But this is just a blanket statement on comparing coahes.
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   Posted: 12/7/2015 3:24:35 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
OCF, I used to think that you were honest and would present fair comparisons.

You compare Ferentz/Iowa to Solich.

1) You state the first 9 seasons of Ferentz. It went south for Solich in years 8-11. Ferentz in years 10 and 11: 9-4 and 11-2 (Solich 6-6, 8-4).

2) During years 8-11 for each, I count Iowa 3 losses by 15 points or more. Solich gets ya 15.

3) During those four years, how many ranked teams did Ohio play (and how many patsies and how tough is MAC)? I count that Iowa played 20 ranked teams during that period.

But you keep telling us what a superior coach Solich is. I know that when coaches everywhere gather, they talk with unparalleled reverence about a guy who can't bring home a MAC Championship in 11 years and who gets blown out three times in his 11th year by thousands of points, of course offset by wins against mighty Kent and Ball State.


[Apologize again. I promised I'd leave. But I'm just not going to let such invidious (look it up), intellectually dishonest posts stand. To not give a fairly representative presentation of the facts is unforgivable. My understanding is that OCF is/was a journalist and taught/teaches communication. Is the presentation that he put up here up to standards in that profession?]


My info source here is a quick glance at Wikipedia.




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   Posted: 12/7/2015 4:03:40 AM 
When OCF brings up a theory or sets a question and others look more closely at that bringed-up and show that it may not be apt and/or ask reasonable questions about it, well, we can't have that. And we certainly aren't going to answer those questions.

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   Posted: 12/7/2015 8:21:30 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Bcat2, I am not being positive or negative. And, you may think I am being negative because of the timing of this post but I originally raised the question at least a week ago (I think).

So, I will ask you a simple direct question: when FS was hired, did you think he would have one MACC in his first 10/11 years?

Other than that, all I can say is: Stand Up and Cheer for old OHIO!


Sorry. As you said the question was raised a while ago and it seems posters mostly don't have time right now for being baited into your negative, anti coach discussion. Like you don't seem to have time to answer my question. "Did you think there would be a win over Penn State in their house?



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   Posted: 12/7/2015 9:15:41 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Bcat2, I am not being positive or negative. And, you may think I am being negative because of the timing of this post but I originally raised the question at least a week ago (I think).

So, I will ask you a simple direct question: when FS was hired, did you think he would have one MACC in his first 10/11 years?

Other than that, all I can say is: Stand Up and Cheer for old OHIO!


Sorry. As you said the question was raised a while ago and it seems posters mostly don't have time right now for being baited into your negative, anti coach discussion. Like you don't seem to have time to answer my question. "Did you think there would be a win over Penn State in their house?





My goodness you act like Ohio knocked off 1986 Penn State.

It was a great win...but considering the circumstances around it, it's the on-the-field equivalent of winning at Minny or Illinois like Ohio has in the past.

Yes....Penn State is a name brand and it's a helluva media cover win, but pump the brakes on that a little.

That wasn't your father's Penn State team they went in and beat.

And let me stop you before you start....I'm not denying the players hard-earned success blah, blah, blah.

But hanging your hat on that win....c'mon.

It was a great win for the program, but one that honestly we should've won if you go back and compare the situations. We had a loaded team returning while PSU was a mess after the previous year.

It's what good MAC programs are supposed to do when they have good teams...win winnable games.

And to go off your statement..."Did you think in year 11 there would have been 35, 34 & 38 point losses on back-to-back-to-back weeks of an 8-4 season?"
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OCF...I figure most feel the same way you and I do. I thought we would have won ONE by now. Bcat2 is just being himself. To answer his question, I figured we could beat Penn State that year because of the circumstances surrounding the game. My point was not to be negative or anti FS&Co. I just thought we would have won one MACC by now, that's all. We got a very good coach and I really do hope he gets the big prize before he retires!
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Casper71 wrote:
OCF...I figure most feel the same way you and I do. I thought we would have won ONE by now. Bcat2 is just being himself. To answer his question, I figured we could beat Penn State that year because of the circumstances surrounding the game. My point was not to be negative or anti FS&Co. I just thought we would have won one MACC by now, that's all. We got a very good coach and I really do hope he gets the big prize before he retires!


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   Posted: 12/7/2015 10:33:07 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
OCF...I figure most feel the same way you and I do. I thought we would have won ONE by now. Bcat2 is just being himself. To answer his question, I figured we could beat Penn State that year because of the circumstances surrounding the game. My point was not to be negative or anti FS&Co. I just thought we would have won one MACC by now, that's all. We got a very good coach and I really do hope he gets the big prize before he retires!


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Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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