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Pataskala
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Posted: 12/25/2015 11:40:34 AM |
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Next month a D1A committee will be looking at the problem of too many bowls and not enough eligible teams. I don't expect them to force any conferences to drop any current bowls (they won't approve any new bowls anytime soon, either). I'm sure they'll allow some bowls to not be played in a given year. But there's lots to consider -- how to decide which bowl game(s) to cancel; contracts with the bowl organizers; the money organizers spend preparing for bowls; ill-will with bowl organizers going forward if their game is cancelled; keeping conferences and the networks happy. Allowing 5-7 teams in isn't palatable at the moment. The B12 commish wants only teams with winning records to be bowl-eligible, but the SEC commish wants to keep it at 6-6 teams too, so don't look for any movement there. Plus, raising the bar really doesn't address the problem.
If they don't expand the playoff, there are two things I'd like to see them do. One, cancel any bowl game where both primary conferences can't send a bowl-eligible team. That would've meant no Quick Lane Bowl this year because both the B10 and the ACC didn't have enough bowl-eligible teams. Two, if there are an odd number of bowl-eligible teams (like this year's 77), the teams that became bowl eligible in the last game of the season get slots only after all other bowl-eligible teams are slotted, regardless of contractual obligations. This would help cut down on any shenanigans that conferences might pull to get teams eligible. I'm really suspicious of Ga St's 27-pt win at Ga Southern in the last game of the season, especially given Southern's whuppin of BG and given that the Sun Belt commish tried to buy bowl slots last year. This would mean that six teams (Wash, Tulsa, Indiana,VaTech, Ga St and K-St) would be considered for five slots, with one team left out. Two bowl games would've been canceled.
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| RE: Fixing the bowl problem |
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Posted: 12/25/2015 11:58:35 AM |
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| Pataskala wrote: | |
Next month a D1A committee will be looking at the problem of too many bowls and not enough eligible teams. I don't expect them to force any conferences to drop any current bowls (they won't approve any new bowls anytime soon, either). I'm sure they'll allow some bowls to not be played in a given year. But there's lots to consider -- how to decide which bowl game(s) to cancel; contracts with the bowl organizers; the money organizers spend preparing for bowls; ill-will with bowl organizers going forward if their game is cancelled; keeping conferences and the networks happy. Allowing 5-7 teams in isn't palatable at the moment. The B12 commish wants only teams with winning records to be bowl-eligible, but the SEC commish wants to keep it at 6-6 teams too, so don't look for any movement there. Plus, raising the bar really doesn't address the problem.
If they don't expand the playoff, there are two things I'd like to see them do. One, cancel any bowl game where both primary conferences can't send a bowl-eligible team. That would've meant no Quick Lane Bowl this year because both the B10 and the ACC didn't have enough bowl-eligible teams. Two, if there are an odd number of bowl-eligible teams (like this year's 77), the teams that became bowl eligible in the last game of the season get slots only after all other bowl-eligible teams are slotted, regardless of contractual obligations. This would help cut down on any shenanigans that conferences might pull to get teams eligible. I'm really suspicious of Ga St's 27-pt win at Ga Southern in the last game of the season, especially given Southern's whuppin of BG and given that the Sun Belt commish tried to buy bowl slots last year. This would mean that six teams (Wash, Tulsa, Indiana,VaTech, Ga St and K-St) would be considered for five slots, with one team left out. Two bowl games would've been canceled. |
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There's definitely a problem with too many bowls, but I'm pretty sure than cancelling a bowl because of lack of 6-6 teams after the regular season is over is not an answer for me. Way too much money already spent to do that in my opinion. The answer is to cut them out before the season, never approve them in the first place. The problem I see is that the P-5 is doing a great job of cutting the G-5 out of the established bowls so the G-5 has to schedule bowls or their deserving teams get left out. Limit bowls to no more than 70% of a conference's members or something like that. I know it's not going to happen though.
When the networks or the teams/ conferences start losing some/more money on the bowls, maybe it will stop, but I'm not holding my breath.
Last Edited: 12/25/2015 12:08:22 PM by colobobcat66
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Posted: 12/25/2015 12:39:38 PM |
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If we assume that there is a method to their madness, perhaps they deliberately created too many bowls, which in turn has created spaces where they could play an expanded playoff.
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Posted: 12/25/2015 12:55:57 PM |
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| L.C. wrote: | |
| If we assume that there is a method to their madness, perhaps they deliberately created too many bowls, which in turn has created spaces where they could play an expanded playoff. |
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I love me a good conspiracy theory! ;-)
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Posted: 12/25/2015 2:26:33 PM |
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| L.C. wrote: | |
| If we assume that there is a method to their madness, perhaps they deliberately created too many bowls, which in turn has created spaces where they could play an expanded playoff. |
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They already have done that with the "Access Bowls." I don't think it's coincidental that they came up with 6 so that the 4 that aren't semi-final sites are in a natural position to become the quarterfinals. I kind of would like to see the first round games played at the higher seed's home stadium. How fun would it be to watch bama, usc or fsu have to come up North and play in the middle of December. This year, Stanford would have to play in East Lansing.
I don't see the playoffs ever expanding beyond 8: 5 P5 Champions and three at-large teams. The best the G5 can hope for is that they'll be guaranteed one of those three spots.
Last Edited: 12/25/2015 2:28:13 PM by OUPride
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Posted: 12/25/2015 3:19:05 PM |
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| OUPride wrote: | |
| I don't see the playoffs ever expanding beyond 8: 5 P5 Champions and three at-large teams. The best the G5 can hope for is that they'll be guaranteed one of those three spots. |
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I do think that that's what will happen -- an eight team playoff with the best team of the Gang of Five guaranteed a slot which would virtually always be against the #1 seed. The likelihood of an upset would be kind of like a 1-16 seed in the basketball tournament -- theoretically possible, but still hasn't happened yet. There have been some very close calls, and one total screw job against UNC-Asheville a few years ago that helped lead to the rule allowing review of close calls in the last two minutes of games now.
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Posted: 12/25/2015 10:04:29 PM |
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Once we got past 10 or 15 bowls we already lost anything pertaining to the prestige argument. What is the difference between 30 bowls, 40 bowls, 50 bowls, or 60 bowls? Who cares? How is this really a problem? I say cut back to 10 bowls or just don't worry about it.
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Posted: 12/26/2015 9:30:11 AM |
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I'm an outlier on this issue as I too don't see this as "a problem". If you don't like the bowl, just don't watch it, easy peezy. Economics will naturally winnow the number down if some of the weaker bowls are hemorrhaging money.
For me the bowl problem is that there are 5-6 bowl games today and I don't know how I'm going to watch them all. OH THE AGONY!!!! (insert sarcastic face emoji here)
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Posted: 12/26/2015 9:46:36 AM |
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| Mark Lembright '85 wrote: | |
I'm an outlier on this issue as I too don't see this as "a problem". If you don't like the bowl, just don't watch it, easy peezy. Economics will naturally winnow the number down if some of the weaker bowls are hemorrhaging money.
For me the bowl problem is that there are 5-6 bowl games today and I don't know how I'm going to watch them all. OH THE AGONY!!!! (insert sarcastic face emoji here) |
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Agreed. I like football. Give me as much as possible of it in late December.
I've seen crazier things happen.
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Posted: 12/26/2015 12:44:05 PM |
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I am mostly ambivalent to number of bowl games but when I saw this message scrolling across the ESPN screen I did raise my eyebrows:
"Nebraska tries to avoid an 8 loss season ...."
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Posted: 12/26/2015 3:34:49 PM |
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One thing they'll address is the purpose of bowl games. If it's to reward a good season, then 5-7 teams -- and maybe even 6-6 teams -- shouldn't be in the mix. If it's just to play another game, why not add one to the regular season for everybody and open the playoffs to more teams. If the real purpose is to put butts in the seats for the organizers and eyes on the tube for the networks, then most bowls are total failures on both counts. We've already had one bowl game this year where both team finished the season with a losing record. That kind of thing makes the bowl season a joke.
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Posted: 12/26/2015 5:10:52 PM |
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I heard a great explanation on all the bowls. Look at them as a city, a sponsor company and a charity raising money for a cause or for advertising. They are no longer a reward for having a greet year. If you feel this way the more the merrier makes sense.
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Posted: 12/27/2015 1:23:37 AM |
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I agree that there is no problem to be fixed. If you have something better to do, then don't watch them. Otherwise, get in a bowl pool or bet on them and you have a reason to watch Washington-Southern Miss.
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Posted: 12/27/2015 9:12:57 AM |
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So what is the problem with all the bowls? Nobody is being forced to watch them. If you don't like it change the channel. 41 bowl games has absolutely no effect on the national championship and gives many schools in conferences like the MAC a chance at postseason play that would never get it. Does anyone really think the MAC would have had 7 bowl teams without 41 games? At most there would have been two, BG and Toledo, that's it.
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Posted: 12/27/2015 11:16:53 AM |
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| So what is the problem with all the bowls? Nobody is being forced to watch them. If you don't like it change the channel. 41 bowl games has absolutely no effect on the national championship and gives many schools in conferences like the MAC a chance at postseason play that would never get it. Does anyone really think the MAC would have had 7 bowl teams without 41 games? At most there would have been two, BG and Toledo, that's it. |
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Actually, the MAC also sent seven teams to bowls in 2012 (Ohio, Toledo, BSU, CMU, BG, NIU and Kent). That was the year NIU went to the Orange Bowl. The MAC has sent at least five teams to bowls every season since '08.
I don't mind not watching a bowl. I think I've seen three in their entirety so far this season. Don't plan to watch too many more. I think it's stupid to make a big deal out of a 6-6 team playing a 5-7 team, no matter who they are. But the whole point of having a bowl (from the networks' perspective) is to get people to watch, so they don't want people just changing the channel. They pump millions into these games and having people not watch does them no good. Similarly, the charities these bowls help are helped a lot less if people don't buy tickets.
And I think there are some who still want bowls to be used as a reward for success. If you wind up having 0-12 Kansas guaranteed a bowl game, it renders all the other bowl games meaningless (I know there are some who think they're all meaningless). You might as well just add a game to the regular season.
Last Edited: 12/27/2015 11:17:55 AM by Pataskala
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Posted: 12/28/2015 1:34:47 PM |
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1. No more than one bowl per stadium per season.
2. No bowls in cities where the average December/January temperature is below 55 degrees f.
3. No bowl games in baseball stadiums.
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Posted: 12/28/2015 1:37:31 PM |
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1. No more than one bowl per stadium per season.
2. No bowls in cities where the average December/January temperature is below 55 degrees f.
3. No bowl games in baseball stadiums. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 1:45:13 PM |
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I'd be OK with doing away with conference affiliations with bowls, combined with a rule that any 8-4 team gets a slot over a 7-5 team, 7-5 teams get slots over 6-6 teams, etc.
Other than that, I got no complaints about the bowls.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:47:34 PM |
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Yesterday all three 5-7 teams won their Bowl games.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:55:19 PM |
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I'd be OK with doing away with conference affiliations with bowls, combined with a rule that any 8-4 team gets a slot over a 7-5 team, 7-5 teams get slots over 6-6 teams, etc.
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I am with you on the conference affiliations, but I don't think w-l records are a good indicator for choosing opponents - its OK for home team, but I like it when a good mid-major gets a shot at a P5 school, regardless of the record.
I am A-OK with the bowls - sure, there are blow-outs, but sometimes these match-ups create some pretty competitive and entertaining games.
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