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colobobcat66
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   Posted: 12/14/2015 6:06:26 PM 
I see a retweet regarding Cedric Brown leaving-says he's not getting any playing time. Going to University of Charleston. Wonder who will be next!

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   Posted: 12/14/2015 7:20:28 PM 
As long as Irons stays I could care less. And does it really matter? If a player feels like he is undervalued and it is a better move for him elsewhere who are we to question it to begin with
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   Posted: 12/14/2015 7:33:14 PM 
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
As long as Irons stays I could care less. And does it really matter? If a player feels like he is undervalued and it is a better move for him elsewhere who are we to question it to begin with


There are a few others that I would hate to see leave, but it's their life, not ours. More power to them!
Oh, and I wish them well in their future endeavors- I really do.
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   Posted: 12/14/2015 7:39:45 PM 
Not really surprising to see a WR transfer. We bring back everybody who caught a pass this year at WR. Not really any PT set to open up...

Sebastian Smith 61 752 12.3 7 TD's Jr
Jordan Reid 45 616 13.7 5 TD's Jr
Brendan Cope 28 464 16.6 2 TD's So

Also bring back Brunis and Walker who appear to be ahead of Brown on depth chart. I wish him well.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 12/14/2015 8:07:26 PM 
He wants to play. I respect that. Watching, when you picture yourself as a player, is very hard. I hope he leads Charleston to a championship. Good luck Cedric.

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   Posted: 12/14/2015 9:22:54 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
He wants to play. I respect that. Watching, when you picture yourself as a player, is very hard. I hope he leads Charleston to a championship. Good luck Cedric.


+1
I agree with a staff member.

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   Posted: 12/14/2015 9:23:20 PM 
Back in his home state of WV. Martinsburg area has excellent hs football. Wish it would have worked out in Athens but hope he succeeds at Charleston.
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   Posted: 12/15/2015 1:37:34 AM 
misleading title to this thread. it's player, singular.

MY STATE. MY TEAM.
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   Posted: 12/15/2015 8:56:40 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
misleading title to this thread. it's player, singular.


Sorry about that. Fixed it. I was thinking it would be better to just have one thread for all if more than one. It's more if a question of how many and who to me. There will probably be more than one, but we don't usually find out this early.

Last Edited: 12/15/2015 8:57:24 AM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 12/15/2015 9:28:46 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
perimeterpost wrote:
misleading title to this thread. it's player, singular.


Sorry about that. Fixed it. I was thinking it would be better to just have one thread for all if more than one. It's more if a question of how many and who to me. There will probably be more than one, but we don't usually find out this early.


The ones I worry about are those who injured, "season ending." Until I hear of their return, hopefully in the spring, I worry for their health. Mangen, Nelson, Lowery, Bass, Carpenter & now McCray are walking wounded. I know Carpenter and Bass are not returning, but, I would be relieved to know these kids are whole and healthy.

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   Posted: 12/15/2015 9:41:40 AM 
When a player that you think will do well never manages to move up the depth chart, it's usually a good to see him find some other program where he can play and help that team succeed. I wish Cedric well at Charleston. As others have pointed out. less of a good conclusion to someone's time at Ohio is when they has to hang up the cleats due to injury, but that happens as well.

On average I think 4-5 players leave the program each year, so a plural title is appropriate.

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   Posted: 12/15/2015 12:33:23 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
perimeterpost wrote:
misleading title to this thread. it's player, singular.


Sorry about that. Fixed it. I was thinking it would be better to just have one thread for all if more than one. It's more if a question of how many and who to me. There will probably be more than one, but we don't usually find out this early.


The ones I worry about are those who injured, "season ending." Until I hear of their return, hopefully in the spring, I worry for their health. Mangen, Nelson, Lowery, Bass, Carpenter & now McCray are walking wounded. I know Carpenter and Bass are not returning, but, I would be relieved to know these kids are whole and healthy.



Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 12/15/2015 2:13:30 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 12/16/2015 7:19:06 AM 
L.C. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.


A friend of mine's son plays T.E. in the NFL.

Had to have his one knee reconstructed 3 times in college.
The last time they had to use cadaver parts.

Some of those problems may be P.E.D. related.
He was rumored to be using the stuff since High School.

Right now he can't bend his fingers more the 1/2 way.
He's also got no toe nails and pretty much no finger nails left.
By the way,those things aren't considered "injuries",just "normal,wear and tear".

He'll probably have trouble walking for the rest of his life.
Doesn't care,wants to play as long as he makes a team.

The kid's also not dumb,graduated from a top college with a degree in Finance.






Last Edited: 12/16/2015 7:20:29 AM by rpbobcat
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 8:16:05 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.


A friend of mine's son plays T.E. in the NFL.

Had to have his one knee reconstructed 3 times in college.
The last time they had to use cadaver parts.

Some of those problems may be P.E.D. related.
He was rumored to be using the stuff since High School.

Right now he can't bend his fingers more the 1/2 way.
He's also got no toe nails and pretty much no finger nails left.
By the way,those things aren't considered "injuries",just "normal,wear and tear".

He'll probably have trouble walking for the rest of his life.
Doesn't care,wants to play as long as he makes a team.

The kid's also not dumb,graduated from a top college with a degree in Finance.








Just a clarification on the use of the cadaver parts. The us of cadaver tissue is NOT because it was his 3rd ACL, the use of cadaver tissue is very common, and is really the choice of some physicians. Has nothing to do with previous injuries.

Last Edited: 12/16/2015 8:28:46 AM by BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 8:16:24 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.


A friend of mine's son plays T.E. in the NFL.

Had to have his one knee reconstructed 3 times in college.
The last time they had to use cadaver parts.

Some of those problems may be P.E.D. related.
He was rumored to be using the stuff since High School.

Right now he can't bend his fingers more the 1/2 way.
He's also got no toe nails and pretty much no finger nails left.
By the way,those things aren't considered "injuries",just "normal,wear and tear".

He'll probably have trouble walking for the rest of his life.
Doesn't care,wants to play as long as he makes a team.

The kid's also not dumb,graduated from a top college with a degree in Finance.



I get the the NFL level commitment. Hopefully he is being well compensated and is receiving the best medical care and will be vested. I am retired Army and most of our current retirees grade out between 50-100% disabled. These things I accept as par for the course. Choices grown men make. I am still wrestling with high school/college student/athletes being disabled really before they begin careers. We have had discussions about needing full disclosure from high school recruits before risking a scholarship.

Last Edited: 12/16/2015 8:37:44 AM by Bcat2

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   Posted: 12/16/2015 8:30:43 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.


A friend of mine's son plays T.E. in the NFL.

Had to have his one knee reconstructed 3 times in college.
The last time they had to use cadaver parts.

Some of those problems may be P.E.D. related.
He was rumored to be using the stuff since High School.

Right now he can't bend his fingers more the 1/2 way.
He's also got no toe nails and pretty much no finger nails left.
By the way,those things aren't considered "injuries",just "normal,wear and tear".

He'll probably have trouble walking for the rest of his life.
Doesn't care,wants to play as long as he makes a team.

The kid's also not dumb,graduated from a top college with a degree in Finance.



I get the the NFL level commitment. Hopefully he is being well compensated and is receiving the best medical care and will be vested. I am retired Army and most of our current retirees grade out between 50-100% disabled. These things I accept as par for the course. Choices grown men make. I am still wrestling with high school/college student/athletes being disabled really before they begin careers.




The "vested" retirement is NOT what many think it is, and there is no long term medical coverage for guys when they are done playing. The retirement of a players is largely what they are able to do with their money while they play.

Interesting note on "disability", Arena football players are eligible for Worker's compensation, something that is not available to NFL players.

Last Edited: 12/16/2015 8:50:51 AM by BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 8:42:13 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.


A friend of mine's son plays T.E. in the NFL.

Had to have his one knee reconstructed 3 times in college.
The last time they had to use cadaver parts.

Some of those problems may be P.E.D. related.
He was rumored to be using the stuff since High School.

Right now he can't bend his fingers more the 1/2 way.
He's also got no toe nails and pretty much no finger nails left.
By the way,those things aren't considered "injuries",just "normal,wear and tear".

He'll probably have trouble walking for the rest of his life.
Doesn't care,wants to play as long as he makes a team.

The kid's also not dumb,graduated from a top college with a degree in Finance.



I get the the NFL level commitment. Hopefully he is being well compensated and is receiving the best medical care and will be vested. I am retired Army and most of our current retirees grade out between 50-100% disabled. These things I accept as par for the course. Choices grown men make. I am still wrestling with high school/college student/athletes being disabled really before they begin careers.




The "vested" retirement is NOT what many think it is, and there is no long term medical coverage for guys when they are done playing. The retirement of a players is largely what they are able to do with their money while they play.


Did I hear that the NFL has begun counseling new players and having them sign documents that are essentially risk waiver forms? Primarily from head injuries.

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   Posted: 12/16/2015 8:51:45 AM 
^^^^ I am not sure about that, however, they offer a lot more pre-scan testing and risk assessment in the offseason then they used to.
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 10:00:28 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Have there been rumors some of these guys have career-ending injuries? It always seems like there is a guy every year who may not have had one individual injury that ends it but who has just gotten so beat up from multiple injuries they can't keep playing. That is always the worst thing to see. Very sad.

I haven't heard of any specific people, but it happens now and again. Some fight through repeated injuries, like Carpenter or Blake Scipio, and keep trying to come back, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I always hope for them than the injuries don't cause a problem in every day life after football.


A friend of mine's son plays T.E. in the NFL.

Had to have his one knee reconstructed 3 times in college.
The last time they had to use cadaver parts.

Some of those problems may be P.E.D. related.
He was rumored to be using the stuff since High School.

Right now he can't bend his fingers more the 1/2 way.
He's also got no toe nails and pretty much no finger nails left.
By the way,those things aren't considered "injuries",just "normal,wear and tear".

He'll probably have trouble walking for the rest of his life.
Doesn't care,wants to play as long as he makes a team.

The kid's also not dumb,graduated from a top college with a degree in Finance.








Just a clarification on the use of the cadaver parts. The us of cadaver tissue is NOT because it was his 3rd ACL, the use of cadaver tissue is very common, and is really the choice of some physicians. Has nothing to do with previous injuries.



I agree about the use of cadaver parts is not uncommon.

In his case,it wasn't his third ACL,it was his third knee reconstruction.
From what his mother said,after the third injury the doctors told her that the knee was so badly damaged,there wasn't anything left to work with.
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 10:07:54 AM 
The term "reconstruction" commonly refers to ACL, with some tissue damage. So, your use of the term "reconstruction" is very vague, and gives zero information on what the damage actually was, and what was fixed.
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 10:47:03 AM 
Post playing days, knee replacement may be an option.The technology of those gets better all the time, and I know people that have had both knees done, and who walk just fine, and even are able to do things like playing golf.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 12/16/2015 12:03:52 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
The term "reconstruction" commonly refers to ACL, with some tissue damage. So, your use of the term "reconstruction" is very vague, and gives zero information on what the damage actually was, and what was fixed.


Sorry,I'm not a doctor and wasn't trying to provide a medical diagnosis.

All I know is that when I talked his mom she made it a point to say it wasn't an ACL.

She said it was the third time he needed a "complete reconstruction".

She also said that when they first used the cadaver parts they didn't "take" (her word) and they had to go back in to redo some of the work.

Don't know if it means anything,but after the third "repair" he wasn't allowed to fly for at least a couple of months.





Last Edited: 12/16/2015 12:06:09 PM by rpbobcat
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 12:15:48 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
The term "reconstruction" commonly refers to ACL, with some tissue damage. So, your use of the term "reconstruction" is very vague, and gives zero information on what the damage actually was, and what was fixed.


Sorry,I'm not a doctor and wasn't trying to provide a medical diagnosis.

All I know is that when I talked his mom she made it a point to say it wasn't an ACL.

She said it was the third time he needed a "complete reconstruction".

She also said that when they first used the cadaver parts they didn't "take" (her word) and they had to go back in to redo some of the work.

Don't know if it means anything,but after the third "repair" he wasn't allowed to fly for at least a couple of months.







ACL is the most significant singular ligament in the knee, and is the only one that needs reconstructed. The others are more minor procedures (MCL and PCL).

The NO flying is very very common after leg surgeries as flying increases the risk of deep vein thrombosis, or blood clots. The deep vein blood clot that can occur can be deadly. The danger is that after surgery the body naturally produces more clotting agents and can greatly increase your risk for clotting.

So that order from the surgeon is common, and not a sign of anything serious.
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   Posted: 12/16/2015 12:24:23 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
The term "reconstruction" commonly refers to ACL, with some tissue damage. So, your use of the term "reconstruction" is very vague, and gives zero information on what the damage actually was, and what was fixed.


Sorry,I'm not a doctor and wasn't trying to provide a medical diagnosis.

All I know is that when I talked his mom she made it a point to say it wasn't an ACL.

She said it was the third time he needed a "complete reconstruction".

She also said that when they first used the cadaver parts they didn't "take" (her word) and they had to go back in to redo some of the work.

Don't know if it means anything,but after the third "repair" he wasn't allowed to fly for at least a couple of months.







ACL is the most significant singular ligament in the knee, and is the only one that needs reconstructed. The others are more minor procedures (MCL and PCL).

The NO flying is very very common after leg surgeries as flying increases the risk of deep vein thrombosis, or blood clots. The deep vein blood clot that can occur can be deadly. The danger is that after surgery the body naturally produces more clotting agents and can greatly increase your risk for clotting.

So that order from the surgeon is common, and not a sign of anything serious.


Yeah, I knew someone who died from a blood clot after knee surgery. Doesn't happen often, but beware.

When I started this thread, I didn't know it would morph into a medical site. LOL

Last Edited: 12/16/2015 4:52:30 PM by colobobcat66
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