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Topic: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Topic: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

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Pataskala
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OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/3/2015 8:26:31 PM

Last year, T'erd slaughtered just about everybody but had no "P"5 teams on their schedule and didn't show up on the CFP rankings until the next to last week of the regular season, when they were 11-0.

This year, Toledo (7-0) has played solid ball, winning some big, winning others not so big, but they beat two "P"5 teams (one of which is 4-4 and the other is 3-5) and they're 24th in the first CFP rankings of the season. Playing -- and beating -- even so-so "P"5 teams makes a difference.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/3/2015 11:27:01 PM

Toledo's SOS is comparable to Baylor's, yet Baylor is #6. I don't understand the logic of the playoff rankings.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 8:09:06 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo's SOS is comparable to Baylor's, yet Baylor is #6. I don't understand the logic of the playoff rankings.

Their logic is totally hypocritical. What matters to rank one team doesn't matter when ranking another. It's absurd.

Ohio State basically got in the Top 4 because they won the national championship the year before. Florida State was the same last year.

So if you're going to make the previous season's results matter, then you have to make the previous week's results matter too, which is exactly what the rankings DIDN'T do last year with TCU when they dropped the Frogs from out of the Top 4 after winning a game 55-3.

They also said they ranked Alabama in the Top 4 because of their record vs teams above .500. Well, Stanford has more wins than Alabama over .500 teams, so why aren't they up there? Same goes for Utah.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 9:24:55 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo's SOS is comparable to Baylor's, yet Baylor is #6. I don't understand the logic of the playoff rankings.

"Logic"? No offense, but the premise of your question is, itself, questionable.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 11:16:20 AM

Bobcatbob wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo's SOS is comparable to Baylor's, yet Baylor is #6. I don't understand the logic of the playoff rankings.

"Logic"? No offense, but the premise of your question is, itself, questionable.

Exactly. I've argued with friends on Facebook that the new "playoff" is really just the BCS dressed up with a couple extra games. Until they come up with criteria that are pre-set that allow the competitors to be decided not by polls and computers, but by play on the field, it'll still just be a big game of politics.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 11:27:04 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Bobcatbob wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo's SOS is comparable to Baylor's, yet Baylor is #6. I don't understand the logic of the playoff rankings.

"Logic"? No offense, but the premise of your question is, itself, questionable.

All the people who were complaining about the BCS being an unfair system are now complaining about only four teams being allowed in the Playoff. Until FBS adopts a FCS-D2-D3 model, there's always going to be an issue.

Interestingly enough, the idea of a four team playoff appealed to me because in what given year, honestly, are there more than 2-3-4 really good teams? But now this year essentially nobody is really good and all the teams at the top are very similar.

Memphis actually has the most interesting argument in that they beat the team that beat Alabama. So really, Memphis should be ahead of Alabama. But don't let Tide/SEC fans hear that.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 11:56:20 AM

This argument is similar to the one I make every March. The NCAA basketball tournament commitee uses strength of schedule if it benefits the power conferences, but not if it benefits the mid majors; It uses overall record if it benefits the power conference, but not if it benefits the mid majors; etc. . .

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 12:02:00 PM

I merely suggest that each P5 conference champion needs to be included. Then include all 1 loss P5 teams, and any undefeated/one loss Other 5 teams that fit criteria that would be determined before the season starts - i.e. things like non-conference scheduling, wins versus teams with winning records, etc. Include those teams into a process that allows for the filling of the other 3 spots and have an 8 team playoff.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 12:55:02 PM

OU_Country wrote:

And then lets play a 17 game schedule that will be longer than the NFL, all the while complain about the players not being properly compensated and worry about safety.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 1:05:52 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

And then lets play a 17 game schedule that will be longer than the NFL, all the while complain about the players not being properly compensated and worry about safety.

As someone has pointed out elsewhere, college ball is not played with the same type of players that are playing in the NFL. ( bigger, stronger, faster)
The NFL plays preseason games that colleges don't play.
There is large time gap between regular season college play and many bowl and playoff games letting players heal.
College teams have 120 or so players to chose from to play, pros not so much.
I for one see quite a few differences between the college and pro situation. I don't see that adding 1 more round of playoffs is going to decimate the welfare of the college players.

Last Edited: 11/4/2015 1:07:44 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 2:55:32 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

And then lets play a 17 game schedule that will be longer than the NFL, all the while complain about the players not being properly compensated and worry about safety.

How about this? Allow teams to play a 12 game schedule, but have only 11 guaranteed. Next, move one of the OOC games to the end of the schedule. For teams that qualify for their conference championship game, they lose that final OOC game, but play the conference championship instead. Since an even number of teams qualified for conference championships, you can re-pair up the teams that lost games so that everyone gets to play 12. Now you have a maximum of 12 games before the playoffs, so a three-game playoff only gives two teams 15 games, two other teams 14 games, and no one else plays over 13.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 3:37:01 PM

Even more simple than that is to use the same template that D-1AA or FCS has used for years. For those teams who do not make the play-offs, let them play in whatever bowl games that would still exist.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 3:43:55 PM

The whole charade of releasing rankings each week is about one thing and one thing only.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ESPN and CFB powers got together and decided they could boost ratings and generate discussion around the playoff by doing these pointless weekly ratings.

They mean NOTHING until the final one. Literally...they mean NOTHING!!!!

As someone earlier said, how does TCU win by 52 and drop two spots out of the rankings the last week.

It's a joke.

It should be like the NCAA basketball tourney. Have a selection show and keep it quiet up until selection sunday.

Leave the guess work, bracketology and prognostications to the "expert analysts"

The rankings we saw Tuesday night and for the next handful of Tuesday nights is only to drive up TV ratings and generate exposure/discussion around it. The actual rankings themselves mean absolutely nothing!

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 3:55:11 PM

I would actually be a fan of playing nobody but your conference opponents in the regular season, let the conference champ go to the playoff and then decide it from there. There would undoubtedly be scheduling issues due to there being conferences with more teams than the schedule allows (SEC) and conferences that don't have enough teams (Big 12, Sun Belt). Work with it accordingly.

If that's not viable schedule-wise, make everyone play a 10-game conference schedule and two OOCs. That actually sounds better now that I think about it. Then decide in a conference title game if there are ties. Sort of a one-game Wild Card round.

So that's 10 conference winners. Throw in two at-large bids and make it a 12-team free-for-all. Seeding is determined like the NCAA Tournament seeding.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 3:55:24 PM

For the umpteenth time, any team that can go undefeated ought to be ranked highly and in a very good bowl game.

Undefeated is very, very, very difficult to do. Proof? How many teams do it.

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RE: OT: The importance of OOC scheduling in a CFP world

Posted: 11/4/2015 4:10:13 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

And then lets play a 17 game schedule that will be longer than the NFL, all the while complain about the players not being properly compensated and worry about safety.

And not only that, but every lower level of college football plays a real playoff, where a few successful teams play extra games. No one is worried about those kids. Ya know why? There's not millions of dollars being fought over. Lose the player safety and too many games argument because it's invalid unless you're going to ask every level to adhere to a maximum number of games.

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