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This coaching is a fragile thing. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/25/2015 7:06:08 PM  Will Beamer be next old timer to go? Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,730 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/25/2015 7:19:23 PM  Bcat2 wrote: MedinaCat wrote: Golden & Oleary gone. This coaching is a fragile thing. I was surprised when Miami hired Golden. Yes, he had winning seasons at perennially weak Temple. But he had NO wins over a MAC school with a winning record. O'Leary must be shaking his head at how things are turning out. He had UCF doing well in recent years, then this year the bottom - winless - fell out. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/25/2015 8:19:32 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: Will Beamer be next old timer to go? Beamer is in poor health and I say it is 50-50 at best that he returns. Back to Top ohio9704 General User Member Since: 2/11/2006 Post Count: 1,534 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/25/2015 8:45:42 PM  Near 50% of the ACC might be fired/retire/move on to better opportunities. A bunch of universities with unreasonable football expectations. The mid level/lower level of that conference has become no better then upper end MAC level programs. With TWO Big Ten openings likely after the season, couple of those mid-level guys might jump. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/25/2015 9:30:39 PM  ohio9704 wrote: Near 50% of the ACC might be fired/retire/move on to better opportunities. A bunch of universities with unreasonable football expectations. The mid level/lower level of that conference has become no better then upper end MAC level programs. With TWO Big Ten openings likely after the season, couple of those mid-level guys might jump. A lot of AAC coaches are being mentioned as likely to move up. Should be an interesting off season as usual Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,346 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 10:05:58 AM  Campbell's probably going to move on from Toledo and Babers will at least get a look. Fleck will probably land a higher-up job, although I don't understand the fascination with him. After a 1-11 first season, they jumped to 8-5 last season but lost to every team with a winning record they played except for BG and CMU. They even lost to Purdue, which CMU beat. Same for this year. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 10:11:34 AM  Pataskala wrote: Campbell's probably going to move on from Toledo and Babers will at least get a look. Fleck will probably land a higher-up job, although I don't understand the fascination with him. After a 1-11 first season, they jumped to 8-5 last season but lost to every team with a winning record they played except for BG and CMU. They even lost to Purdue, which CMU beat. Same for this year. The attraction with Fleck is easy to explain. He's an outstanding recruiter. There is much more demand for great recruiters than great coaches. Thus, for example, you saw guys like Ron Zook and Mack Brown rise up the coaching ladder, and a guy like Bill Snyder stay at Kansas State. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 3:54:47 PM  In addition to those already mentioned, off the top of my head, here are some former P5 coaches that might want to take a stab at a major college HC job again: Ed Orgeron Butch Davis Lane Kiffin Bo Pelini Houston Nutt Mark Mangino (just fired as Iowa State's OC) Jim Caldwell (probably going to be fired by the Detroit Lions) Of those, it seems that the Miami fans want Butch Davis, although Miami's problem is protecting the South Florida recruiting grounds. Orgeron is a master recruiter and would fix that quick. Davis probably is the next best choice from those, although the mess he left at UNC would keep him off my short list. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 4:05:38 PM  C Money wrote: In addition to those already mentioned, off the top of my head, here are some former P5 coaches that might want to take a stab at a major college HC job again: Ed Orgeron Butch Davis Lane Kiffin Bo Pelini Houston Nutt Mark Mangino (just fired as Iowa State's OC) Jim Caldwell (probably going to be fired by the Detroit Lions) Of those, it seems that the Miami fans want Butch Davis, although Miami's problem is protecting the South Florida recruiting grounds. Orgeron is a master recruiter and would fix that quick. Davis probably is the next best choice from those, although the mess he left at UNC would keep him off my short list. I listen to Davis almost every day on Sirius radio, and he doesn't sound real eloquent or enthusiastic, but he has lots of support from what the callers are saying. Somebody taking Pelini or Kiffin would be taking a chance that most schools would avoid I would think . Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 4:08:18 PM  I would not be surprised if Snyder hangs it up as well. It's got to be getting old for him the second time around. He really is a great coach in my opinion. If only he was coaching where he could get top recruits, he would be one of the all time greats. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,076 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 6:48:58 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: I would not be surprised if Snyder hangs it up as well. It's got to be getting old for him the second time around. He really is a great coach in my opinion. If only he was coaching where he could get top recruits, he would be one of the all time greats. Snyder built KSU on outlaws an JC's at a time when the big boys did not take JC's. He's worked no magic that 95% of schools would want on their campus in an age of the Internet. Some of his early teams had more 2 year players than 4 year guys. As for Butch Davis, Miami has been there and done that. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 7:32:39 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: I would not be surprised if Snyder hangs it up as well. It's got to be getting old for him the second time around. He really is a great coach in my opinion. If only he was coaching where he could get top recruits, he would be one of the all time greats. Snyder built KSU on outlaws an JC's at a time when the big boys did not take JC's. He's worked no magic that 95% of schools would want on their campus in an age of the Internet. Some of his early teams had more 2 year players than 4 year guys. As for Butch Davis, Miami has been there and done that. Snyder used a lot of JC players for sure, but were they outlaws anymore than the ones we still recruit to fill gaps. When you are recruiting to Manhattan, Kansas, you take who you can get. Comparing KSU's recruiting needs to the big boys is a little disingenuous, don't you think? What exactly do you use as a source of your outlaw remark? Did the kids get into trouble while at KSU? Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,120 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 7:38:56 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: I would not be surprised if Snyder hangs it up as well. It's got to be getting old for him the second time around. He really is a great coach in my opinion. If only he was coaching where he could get top recruits, he would be one of the all time greats. Snyder built KSU on outlaws an JC's at a time when the big boys did not take JC's. He's worked no magic that 95% of schools would want on their campus in an age of the Internet. Some of his early teams had more 2 year players than 4 year guys. As for Butch Davis, Miami has been there and done that. Snyder used a lot of JC players for sure, but were they outlaws anymore than the ones we still recruit to fill gaps. When you are recruiting to Manhattan, Kansas, you take who you can get. Comparing KSU's recruiting needs to the big boys is a little disingenuous, don't you think? What exactly do you use as a source of your outlaw remark? Did the kids get into trouble while at KSU? This question just came to me - colobobcat and lc - when was the last time you gentlemen were in Athens for a game? I'll throw bcat in there too. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 7:45:47 PM  Alan Swank wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: I would not be surprised if Snyder hangs it up as well. It's got to be getting old for him the second time around. He really is a great coach in my opinion. If only he was coaching where he could get top recruits, he would be one of the all time greats. Snyder built KSU on outlaws an JC's at a time when the big boys did not take JC's. He's worked no magic that 95% of schools would want on their campus in an age of the Internet. Some of his early teams had more 2 year players than 4 year guys. As for Butch Davis, Miami has been there and done that. Snyder used a lot of JC players for sure, but were they outlaws anymore than the ones we still recruit to fill gaps. When you are recruiting to Manhattan, Kansas, you take who you can get. Comparing KSU's recruiting needs to the big boys is a little disingenuous, don't you think? What exactly do you use as a source of your outlaw remark? Did the kids get into trouble while at KSU? This question just came to me - colobobcat and lc - when was the last time you gentlemen were in Athens for a game? I'll throw bcat in there too. Marshall and western Michigan in Athens. Moscow and Minneapolis in the road. How about you? I've travelled about 5,000 miles to see Ohio this year. Is that enough for you? Ask Monroe how many times he's been there. Not really since that's a rather insulting question. Last Edited: 10/26/2015 7:51:15 PM by colobobcat66 Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,476 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 7:53:22 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: I would not be surprised if Snyder hangs it up as well. It's got to be getting old for him the second time around. He really is a great coach in my opinion. If only he was coaching where he could get top recruits, he would be one of the all time greats. Snyder built KSU on outlaws an JC's at a time when the big boys did not take JC's. He's worked no magic that 95% of schools would want on their campus in an age of the Internet. Some of his early teams had more 2 year players than 4 year guys. As for Butch Davis, Miami has been there and done that. Oh let's see, 34 All Americans and 46 academic All Americans sounds pretty good to me. Just a bunch of outlaws. Wow. Back to Top MedinaCat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Lakewood, OH Post Count: 742 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/26/2015 9:50:17 PM  Interesting article...my take away is the number of lost practices at the U as a result of not having IPF. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-do... Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,346 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Miami(FL)    Posted: 10/29/2015 12:19:19 PM  Tom Fornelli says it should be Dino: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-f... We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. 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