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Bcat2
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  Message Not Read  Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/17/2015 5:14:38 PM 
A little help please. I read that Ohio lost these three. Could someone please elaborate. I guess, fortunately, a school event kept me from following the game today.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/17/2015 5:17:36 PM 
Injuries too white/polling and a 1st half suspension next week for Wells on a targeting call.

Last Edited: 10/17/2015 5:18:13 PM by Bobcatzblitz
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/17/2015 5:19:26 PM 
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
Injuries too white/polling and a 1st half suspension next week for Wells on a targeting call.


Thanks.

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lovebobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/17/2015 5:32:35 PM 
These losses will hurt a lot worse than just losing the game today, because it makes a loss next week much more likely -- not to mention making it harder to envision beating BG. Solich said White and Poling will miss at least a few games each.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/17/2015 9:33:56 PM 
I heard Q tell several people tonite at the volleyball match that he would be out 2-3 weeks. Was limping but not terrible. But he isn't a doctor so there's really no way to know if that's the way it's going to turn out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/17/2015 10:18:43 PM 
So, was it the scheme? Or was it the loss of personnel? How can a team run the same play five times and get 40 yards or more each time?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 1:13:25 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
I heard Q tell several people tonite at the volleyball match that he would be out 2-3 weeks. Was limping but not terrible. But he isn't a doctor so there's really no way to know if that's the way it's going to turn out.

I was afraid it might be a season ender, so 2-3 weeks is better than it could have been. I hope White is able to return this year, too. If he isn't, we may see Irons used for the plays White has been getting.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 5:22:10 PM 
Poling was running up and down the sideline after his injury without a visible hitch. That's encouraging, but then again, he is one tough son of a gun. I didn't see the crackback block that got him, but that's the most upset I've seen Frank this year since the delay call against Minn...he ran out to midfield to give it to the refs.

Papi's injury looked much worse...anyone know if it's the same knee from last year? He's an aggressive kid, but I hate seeing him hurt running the kick out of the endzone, when bringing it out to the 25 on a touchback is designed specifically to reduce injuries.

The Wells ejection was on a good, clean hit.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 5:31:02 PM 
AlumDadDad wrote:
Poling was running up and down the sideline after his injury without a visible hitch. That's encouraging, but then again, he is one tough son of a gun. I didn't see the crackback block that got him, but that's the most upset I've seen Frank this year since the delay call against Minn...he ran out to midfield to give it to the refs.

Papi's injury looked much worse...anyone know if it's the same knee from last year? He's an aggressive kid, but I hate seeing him hurt running the kick out of the endzone, when bringing it out to the 25 on a touchback is designed specifically to reduce injuries.

The Wells ejection was on a good, clean hit.


Apparently you did not watch the game on tv, the replay which they showed in slow motion about 5 times shows Wells helmet squarely in the middle of his chest /neck. You can not target with you helmet or lead with your helmet and it was a good call.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 5:43:47 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:
AlumDadDad wrote:
Poling was running up and down the sideline after his injury without a visible hitch. That's encouraging, but then again, he is one tough son of a gun. I didn't see the crackback block that got him, but that's the most upset I've seen Frank this year since the delay call against Minn...he ran out to midfield to give it to the refs.

Papi's injury looked much worse...anyone know if it's the same knee from last year? He's an aggressive kid, but I hate seeing him hurt running the kick out of the endzone, when bringing it out to the 25 on a touchback is designed specifically to reduce injuries.

The Wells ejection was on a good, clean hit.


Apparently you did not watch the game on tv, the replay which they showed in slow motion about 5 times shows Wells helmet squarely in the middle of his chest /neck. You can not target with you helmet or lead with your helmet and it was a good call.


For what its worth, Arkely thought it was a bad call. He said on twitter:

"Targeting call on Wells was a bad one. Like awful. And it was upheld on replay review. Nonsensical"
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 5:48:55 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
AlumDadDad wrote:
Poling was running up and down the sideline after his injury without a visible hitch. That's encouraging, but then again, he is one tough son of a gun. I didn't see the crackback block that got him, but that's the most upset I've seen Frank this year since the delay call against Minn...he ran out to midfield to give it to the refs.

Papi's injury looked much worse...anyone know if it's the same knee from last year? He's an aggressive kid, but I hate seeing him hurt running the kick out of the endzone, when bringing it out to the 25 on a touchback is designed specifically to reduce injuries.

The Wells ejection was on a good, clean hit.


Apparently you did not watch the game on tv, the replay which they showed in slow motion about 5 times shows Wells helmet squarely in the middle of his chest /neck. You can not target with you helmet or lead with your helmet and it was a good call.


For what its worth, Arkely thought it was a bad call. He said on twitter:

"Targeting call on Wells was a bad one. Like awful. And it was upheld on replay review. Nonsensical"


Paul.

We need a poll to settle this "once and for all!"


Last Edited: 10/18/2015 8:06:28 PM by Bcat2

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 6:14:41 PM 
I could use some help on the targeting call on Wells.

Seems that every time I've seen this call made it is on the defensive player. Is not just as dangerous if the ball carrier leads with his helmet? If so, watch a replay of the hit Wells was flagged and pay attention to the WMU QB leading with his helmet.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 6:30:46 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
I could use some help on the targeting call on Wells.

Seems that every time I've seen this call made it is on the defensive player. Is not just as dangerous if the ball carrier leads with his helmet? If so, watch a replay of the hit Wells was flagged and pay attention to the WMU QB leading with his helmet.


Valid point, perhaps they both should have been flagged/ejected.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 7:02:18 PM 
Wells used bad technique by leading with his head, but he was clearly not targeting. terrell lowered his head AFTER wells did as if to intentionally absorb the hit with his own noggin. It looked scary on replay and glad both are ok. This is as bad as the "catch" rule in the nfl that no one understands, and is called arbitrarily with no explanation.

Last Edited: 10/18/2015 9:54:28 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 7:35:40 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
AlumDadDad wrote:
Poling was running up and down the sideline after his injury without a visible hitch. That's encouraging, but then again, he is one tough son of a gun. I didn't see the crackback block that got him, but that's the most upset I've seen Frank this year since the delay call against Minn...he ran out to midfield to give it to the refs.

Papi's injury looked much worse...anyone know if it's the same knee from last year? He's an aggressive kid, but I hate seeing him hurt running the kick out of the endzone, when bringing it out to the 25 on a touchback is designed specifically to reduce injuries.

The Wells ejection was on a good, clean hit.


Apparently you did not watch the game on tv, the replay which they showed in slow motion about 5 times shows Wells helmet squarely in the middle of his chest /neck. You can not target with you helmet or lead with your helmet and it was a good call.


For what its worth, Arkely thought it was a bad call. He said on twitter:

"Targeting call on Wells was a bad one. Like awful. And it was upheld on replay review. Nonsensical"


Paul.

We need a pole to settle this "once and for all!"




We don't want to be arguing this one a year from now like the Blair Brown hit. :)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 8:07:21 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
AlumDadDad wrote:
Poling was running up and down the sideline after his injury without a visible hitch. That's encouraging, but then again, he is one tough son of a gun. I didn't see the crackback block that got him, but that's the most upset I've seen Frank this year since the delay call against Minn...he ran out to midfield to give it to the refs.

Papi's injury looked much worse...anyone know if it's the same knee from last year? He's an aggressive kid, but I hate seeing him hurt running the kick out of the endzone, when bringing it out to the 25 on a touchback is designed specifically to reduce injuries.

The Wells ejection was on a good, clean hit.


Apparently you did not watch the game on tv, the replay which they showed in slow motion about 5 times shows Wells helmet squarely in the middle of his chest /neck. You can not target with you helmet or lead with your helmet and it was a good call.


For what its worth, Arkely thought it was a bad call. He said on twitter:

"Targeting call on Wells was a bad one. Like awful. And it was upheld on replay review. Nonsensical"


Paul.

We need a pole to settle this "once and for all!"




We don't want to be arguing this one a year from now like the Blair Brown hit. :)


:)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/18/2015 8:29:42 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
We don't want to be arguing this one a year from now like the Blair Brown hit. :)

I think we just need to accept that it's a call we're going to see now and again. Sometimes it will be an opposing player ejected. Sometimes it will be a Bobcat. Rarely, if ever, will it actually involve someone deliberately targeting. Instead it will happen on a hard hit where the heads get a little too close by accident.

It's going to happen, so let's move along.

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   Posted: 10/18/2015 9:29:14 PM 
In my opinion it was a textbook example of targeting. Upheld on replay.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 2:59:23 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Wells used bad technique by leading with his head, but he was clearly not targeting. terrell lowered his head AFTER wells did as if to intentionally absorb the hit with his own noggin. It looked scary on replay and glad both are ok. This is as bad as the "catch" rule in the nfl that no one understands, and is called arbitrarily with no explanation.


https://twitter.com/eedub41_era/status/655777540536193024

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 3:04:50 PM 
A-townBound wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Wells used bad technique by leading with his head, but he was clearly not targeting. terrell lowered his head AFTER wells did as if to intentionally absorb the hit with his own noggin. It looked scary on replay and glad both are ok. This is as bad as the "catch" rule in the nfl that no one understands, and is called arbitrarily with no explanation.


https://twitter.com/eedub41_era/status/655777540536193024


When the other player lowers his head and leads with his head...how is that targeting?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 3:56:57 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
A-townBound wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Wells used bad technique by leading with his head, but he was clearly not targeting. terrell lowered his head AFTER wells did as if to intentionally absorb the hit with his own noggin. It looked scary on replay and glad both are ok. This is as bad as the "catch" rule in the nfl that no one understands, and is called arbitrarily with no explanation.


https://twitter.com/eedub41_era/status/655777540536193024


When the other player lowers his head and leads with his head...how is that targeting?


IMO (which isn't worth anything) both players should be called for targeting. Any time you lower your head to deliver a hit with the crown, that should be called, whether you are a tackler, ball carrier, or blocker. It's a safety issue for the hitter as much as the hittee.

But you will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER have that called on the offensive player.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 4:05:18 PM 
C Money wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
A-townBound wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Wells used bad technique by leading with his head, but he was clearly not targeting. terrell lowered his head AFTER wells did as if to intentionally absorb the hit with his own noggin. It looked scary on replay and glad both are ok. This is as bad as the "catch" rule in the nfl that no one understands, and is called arbitrarily with no explanation.


https://twitter.com/eedub41_era/status/655777540536193024


When the other player lowers his head and leads with his head...how is that targeting?


IMO (which isn't worth anything) both players should be called for targeting. Any time you lower your head to deliver a hit with the crown, that should be called, whether you are a tackler, ball carrier, or blocker. It's a safety issue for the hitter as much as the hittee.

But you will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER have that called on the offensive player.



I agree with that. I also think the automatic ejection from targeting is a harsh penalty for something that usually is accidental.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 4:13:28 PM 
that wasn't targeting

Ohio University-the original OU

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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 6:12:15 PM 
Apparently this question comes up a lot and I found it on an Alabama blog regarding the same situation. They referred to Article 4 which says no player can target a "defenseless" player so in this situation if Wells had not lowered his helmet the QB could possibly be called for it but we know the result.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Poling, White, Wells
   Posted: 10/19/2015 6:51:02 PM 
As I said before, I think true instances of "targeting" are rare. No sane person would risk paralysis and intentionally spear someone! However, because of the importance of avoiding the serious consequences, the rule-makers/rule-enforcers are being very strict, and anytime there is helmet-helmet contact, the defensive player is going to be ejected. That's just how it is, and it is going to happen now and again.

This year that's the first time it has been called on Ohio, but it has been called on an Ohio foe, too. I think it was Minnesota where the player hit Sebastian Smith in the endzone? That call was no more of an intentional "targeting" than this one was. However, like this one, there was helmet to helmet contact, and the result was that the defensive player was ejected.

I don't think that Wells was trying to "target", but once the hit happened, I do think it was inevitable that he would be ejected.

Last Edited: 10/19/2015 6:53:17 PM by L.C.

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