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That makes no sense given that he's now played in three games. You don't punish a guy buy letting him see the field only in garbage time. You keep him off the field entirely. So, my conclusion is that Irons is good to go. So, why are starting Daz and Papi against a WMU team that, consensus seems, was weak against runs up the middle. Look, our running rotation should be OUellette, Brown and Irons. Use Papi and Daz mostly for passes. We can have some variety, for instance run Daz or Papi some. But anyone who'd watch our guys and not use OUellette, Brown and Irons heavy in the run game is watching different football than what is acheived on the field. Sorry to say, also, Papi is slight. Susceptible to injury apparently. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,346 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/17/2015 8:38:18 PM  I mostly agree with your assessment. I'm not sure why Daz and Papi have moved ahead of AJ. I don't think he was in the game today until the 4th down play in the second Q. Then it was an obvious run. I think Daz and Papi are more effective in the slot as receivers or runners. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,913 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/17/2015 8:46:53 PM  "Problems" means ongoing issue. Shame he can't get is sh&t together. Sit him down umti he gets is situation under control. Team is bigger than individual. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/17/2015 11:27:02 PM  AJ is a stud, I believe Irons is a little bigger and faster and would be very effective at the end of games. He, AJ and Brown should get more carries. You really can't count out Daz because he runs so hard as well and he has very good lateral quickness. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Valley Cat General User Member Since: 12/28/2004 Location: Jackson Twp., OH Post Count: 1,183 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/18/2015 9:34:52 AM  Who cares they don't attempt to run the ball anyway. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/18/2015 3:28:03 PM  Valley Cat wrote: Who cares they don't attempt to run the ball anyway. L.C. said. Read and learn. "Ohio threw the ball because WMU was selling out to stop the run. They loaded the box, and dared Ohio to pass. If Vick had been able to hit some of those long passes early, WMU would have been forced to defend Ohio straight, and then the running game would have been effective. Ohio did try some runs early, but running into the teeth of the WMU defense was not effective. Switching to the pass was appropriate, but unfortunately Vick was a little off on his passing early. As an example, there was a play where Cope was behind the defender. Hit him in stride and it's a TD, but it was slightly under-thrown, and the defender knocked it loose from Cope. If Ohio is going to be a great team, they need to be able to beat whatever defense the other team uses. Ohio will see this defense again. They need to punish it when they do by hitting those long passes. Think Lousiana-Monroe, here. They tried the same thing, and got punished for it." "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,419 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/18/2015 6:32:09 PM  Bcat2 wrote: Valley Cat wrote: Who cares they don't attempt to run the ball anyway. L.C. said. Read and learn. "Ohio threw the ball because WMU was selling out to stop the run. They loaded the box, and dared Ohio to pass. If Vick had been able to hit some of those long passes early, WMU would have been forced to defend Ohio straight, and then the running game would have been effective. Ohio did try some runs early, but running into the teeth of the WMU defense was not effective. this is not accurate. We made no attempt to run into the teeth of their defense. We spend the entire first quarter trying to go around and setting ourselves up with 2nd and long passing downs each time. We hit a couple slants to get out of trouble, but then WMU caught up to us quickly. We kept trying slants. One home run ball was dropped, one was overthrown. Seemed like after that we were just out of ideas. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/18/2015 11:59:50 PM  bshot44 said it: Do your research. Ga Southern was without their starting QB in loss at WVU. Wouldn't say WVU is having down year. They were ranked before losing AT Oklahoma, ranked Okie State & AT Baylor But this isn't about WVU. It's about where are program is. Ohio has failed to evolve as a program. We rarely, if ever beat a team with a winning record. 0-11 vs top half of the MAC since 2012. That is sad. We continue to "earn" bowl eligibility by beating lesser teams. We have grown stagnant as a program. We continue to recruit good to great MAC talent only to fall flat and short of greatness. Sound familiar? I'll use a Bobcat hoops reference...Larry Hunter anyone? We are the football equivalent of Hunter basketball going 19-11 every year. It's unacceptable. We continue to get beat (and bad) by the best in this league. I watched a team who had just as much talent as the team they lined up against...and the coaching staff failed....particularly on offense. That game plan was complete garbage. You are lining up against a team that has proven to struggle against the run and Ohio throws it all over the place. Terrible. Explain to me why Ouellete had his first carry on the failed 4th & 1?!?! That is absurd. And watch our pass offense. Nothing but horizontal bubble screens and quick slants. They are essentially running plays cause Vick never goes to a 2nd read. It's snap, turn, throw...no matter the coverage. After 6 games, it's pretty easy to pick up on that and learn to cover it. Rarely do they give him a chance to sit in pocket and look downfield unless it's a called-for deep ball like the one to Smith at end of half. You have to put offense in better position as a coaching staff. Tim Albin is overdue to be gone, but Frank will NOT replace him out of loyalty. Therefore this offense wil continue to be predictable, boring and unproductive vs even average defenses. Daz Patterson is a change-of-pace RB...a slot RB. Why he continues to be our between the tackle guy is absurd. Ouellette proved he could do it last year, but for whatever reason he continues to be less and less part of the gameplan each week. Are we "rewarding" Patterson for being a senior? I hope not. He's reason we lost Papi White. Go back and watch KR where White got hurt...Daz didn't even attempt a block on guy who crushed Papi. Lazy play by a senior. Sums up his disappointing career. Ouellette, Irons and Brown are guys who could've feasted on some downhill running plays vs this defense in first half. Could've taken some pressure off defense to remain perfect. Losing Wells to that absurdly bad call was crippling...but losing Poling was worse. He's leader on that defense. But honestly, how do they lay down like they did in 2nd half. Forget about the "all teams have letdowns"....that's inexcusable to play like that at 5-1 AT home. Coaching let's that happen. This wasn't a once-in-a-blue-moon moment...this has happened repeatedly over the years...these type of "letdowns" We should be the elite program in this league for a number of reasons...but we are not. We're a middle of the pack program continuing to look up at Toledo, NIU, BG, WMU, CMU...a lot of schools who have experienced big changes in their program in recent years. Stability from our coaching staff has gotten us nothing but sustained mediocrity...something a lot of our fan base has become accepting of. I know it's better than the 2-9, 1-10 days, but I expect more from a program that continues to recruit well and invests money into the program with things like an indoor practice facility. I expect more from this coaching staff. We have more weapons on offense than we've had in years. Cut them loose. Find ways to put players in best position to succeed. This tired, predictable, unimaginative offense is dead...and will continue to drag this team down with it. We will struggle mightily to hang with BG and NIU home or away with this offense. We have 7-5 (IF they can regroup at UB) written all over us. Another underachieving "bowl eligible" season. Yay! I'm not a "sky is falling fan". I'm just one who's seen this story before....and I'm tired of watching it. I saw it in the 90s with Larry Hunter and it was bad then. I expect more. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Cats2014 General User Member Since: 3/29/2014 Post Count: 101 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/19/2015 11:18:00 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: At least two people have pm'd me that Irons isn't seeing the field because of discipline problems. That makes no sense given that he's now played in three games. You don't punish a guy buy letting him see the field only in garbage time. You keep him off the field entirely. So, my conclusion is that Irons is good to go. So, why are starting Daz and Papi against a WMU team that, consensus seems, was weak against runs up the middle. Look, our running rotation should be OUellette, Brown and Irons. Use Papi and Daz mostly for passes. We can have some variety, for instance run Daz or Papi some. But anyone who'd watch our guys and not use OUellette, Brown and Irons heavy in the run game is watching different football than what is acheived on the field. Sorry to say, also, Papi is slight. Susceptible to injury apparently. I agree with your RB assessment. So true. Also, very frustrating that we could not get a first down on 4th and 1 at the 50 yard line in the 1st half. In my opinion, that is what turned around the entire first half in favor of WMU. That was disheartening to me at that point in the game and it seemend everything went downhill from there. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/19/2015 11:34:47 AM  AJ is too slow to get to the line of scrimmage. When he has space and the time to get up to full speed, he can be a load to take down. But that 0-60mph latency is what is going to keep him off the field in games with above average defensive fronts. And particularly when they are stacking the box (like on Saturday). I predict we'll see less AJ as the staff gains confidence in Brown and Irons...but there will always be a place for him as a change of pace or when the staff thinks he's a matchup problem for the defense. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/19/2015 11:34:56 AM  Cats2014 wrote: ...... Also, very frustrating that we could not get a first down on 4th and 1 at the 50 yard line ...... Frustrating for this fan too. Though, I know my disappointment pales in comparison to that of the players involved. Redemption next week. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Toast General User Member Since: 3/11/2015 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 178 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/19/2015 2:50:10 PM  Read the Solich press conference from today. Pataskala wrote: I mostly agree with your assessment. I'm not sure why Daz and Papi have moved ahead of AJ. I don't think he was in the game today until the 4th down play in the second Q. Then it was an obvious run. I think Daz and Papi are more effective in the slot as receivers or runners. Ohio University-the original OU Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: Irons and..    Posted: 10/19/2015 4:13:40 PM  Paul Graham wrote: AJ is too slow to get to the line of scrimmage. When he has space and the time to get up to full speed, he can be a load to take down. But that 0-60mph latency is what is going to keep him off the field in games with above average defensive fronts. And particularly when they are stacking the box (like on Saturday). I predict we'll see less AJ as the staff gains confidence in Brown and Irons...but there will always be a place for him as a change of pace or when the staff thinks he's a matchup problem for the defense. Mike Johnson commented on the same thing, that AJ didn't look as quick this year. With Papi out for awhile, no doubt we'll see more of Irons and Brown in prime time. I hope they both play as well in prime time as they have in cleanup time. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 13  of 13 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 425 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 422 Guests 3 Registered Users:   OUs LONG Driver, NashvilleKat, lovebobcat There are no other users looking at this page.

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